Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

VorZakone said:
I don't get comments like this. Ukraine is not a NATO-member and therefore NATO is not involved here. It's Ukraine on its own now. It is what it is.
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And I genuinely don't think that being a NATO member would have made a big difference. Putin seems to have succumbed to pure lunacy and it's very dangerous to get involved without thinking carefully when you are dealing with someone acting desperate. I don't mind criticizing NATO and the west but it's a good sign that they don't act recklessly, we are not talking about a conflict against the 50th military power.
 
WPMUFC said:
Russian stock market losses are currently at 230 billion. Allegedly the oligarchs have been summoned for a meeting.

@harms have you seen any of these reports?
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Yeah, looks legit, RBC reported it and they have great ties with business community. Although I've told many times that the term "oligarch" is misleading when talking about modern Russia.
 
Rektsanwalt said:
military wise, the EU and its most important member (Germany) are a joke, so this hardly comes as a surprise...catastrophic failure
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Just head a short interview snippet from a high ranking German military official claiming the German army is basically not operational even if need be at this point in time
 
Rektsanwalt said:
military wise, the EU and its most important member (Germany) are a joke, so this hardly comes as a surprise...catastrophic failure
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I admire how Germany acknowledges its WW2 history and genuinely seems to refrain from military activities as much as possible but fecking wake up now. Don't have to feel guilty till eternity. It's a new world.
 
Rektsanwalt said:
military wise, the EU and its most important member (Germany) are a joke, so this hardly comes as a surprise...catastrophic failure
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The EU isn't a military organisation in any shape or form. You could have as well substituted EU for FIFA there and it would have made as much sense.

Europe is highly militarised. It's just very fragmented.
 
VorZakone said:
I admire how Germany acknowledges its WW2 history and genuinely seems to refrain from military activities as much as possible but fecking wake up now. Don't have to feel guilty till eternity. It's a new world.
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it won't happen, the new government was a step even more so in that particular direction

Edit: funny enough, I was laughed at on this forum when I said it's very bad that the new government will not have any skills in military and defense scenarios and will not lift a finger to prepare anything

we'd get rolled over in a day or two by russia
 
devilish said:
This is neither the time nor the place to criticise US-UK aggression and its coming from me who I am quite vocal on that issue
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Why not? Did they not participate in the build up to this? Where is that blonde idiot who was mimicking Churchill just couple of weeks ago? Why does he not defend Ukraine now? I am sorry but the US and UK are also to blame imo.
 
Kostov said:
Where did you see support for what Russia is doing?
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Your phrasing of the situation as "Russia sorting out its doorstep", as I already pointed out. Also your phrasing of this as brothers fighting while the US makes money, which is a strange way of describing one nation waging a war of aggression on another.
 
As anyone reliable talked about Putin's claims regarding Ukraine being close to be a nuclear-weapon states?
 
JPRouve said:
And I genuinely don't think that being a NATO member would have made a big difference. Putin seems to have succumbed to pure lunacy and it's very dangerous to get involved without thinking carefully when you are dealing with someone acting desperate. I don't mind criticizing NATO and the west but it's a good sign that they don't act recklessly, we are not talking about a conflict against the 50th military power.
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I think it absolutely would make a difference.
 
Apologies for asking this but Can someone enlighten me, what’s Russian stance? Why are they attacking Ukraine?
 
So it does seem like the Ukrainians are resisting heavily in Kharkov. I feel for the Ukrainian soldiers here. Must be horror.
 
VorZakone said:
I admire how Germany acknowledges its WW2 history and genuinely seems to refrain from military activities as much as possible but fecking wake up now. Don't have to feel guilty till eternity. It's a new world.
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Whats new about it? Wars are as old as man, I’m glad Germany take a more reasoned approach, millions of native Americans were killed based on principles of it being a new world.
 
Drifter said:
I know. This is what this whole thing is about
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Sure this is about NATO... not about Vlad wanting to win back as much as possible from what he views as a geopolitical travesty (fall of the sowjets)...
 
JPRouve said:
As anyone reliable talked about Putin's claims regarding Ukraine being close to be a nuclear-weapon states?
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They got rid of their nukes, ironically, as Russia (and some of NATO) would supposedly protect them.
 
JPRouve said:
And I genuinely don't think that being a NATO member would have made a big difference. Putin seems to have succumbed to pure lunacy and it's very dangerous to get involved without thinking carefully when you are dealing with someone acting desperate. I don't mind criticizing NATO and the west but it's a good sign that they don't act recklessly, we are not talking about a conflict against the 50th military power.
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Being just behind their border, statements like these are worrying. Basically if he feels like he wants to send a message to Poland, he could and nobody would react? Then what is the purpose of the pact?
 
Sarni said:
Being just behind their border, statements like these are worrying. Basically if he feels like he wants to send a message to Poland, he could and nobody would react? Then what is the purpose of the pact?
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Poland is an EU country, though, pretty big difference.
 
JPRouve said:
And I genuinely don't think that being a NATO member would have made a big difference. Putin seems to have succumbed to pure lunacy and it's very dangerous to get involved without thinking carefully when you are dealing with someone acting desperate. I don't mind criticizing NATO and the west but it's a good sign that they don't act recklessly, we are not talking about a conflict against the 50th military power.
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I think it absolutely would have. A NATO country attacked means either WW3 or the alliance collapses completely. Probably the former.
 
TheLiverBird said:
I do hate these EU Politicians coming out saying

“we stand by Ukrainians”

Or Urging Putin to withdraw his Troops

You aren’t going too stand by Ukraine, as they are about to get battered militarily, all you’ll do is stand by and watch, that’s really standing with them isn’t it, typical empty Politician words though I guess and I shouldn’t expect anything else

and Putin isn’t going to listen to your withdrawal messages, he won’t suddenly decide…..”oh crap, sorry guys, I’ll withdraw”
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thoughts are with Ukraine less than symbol three
 
Righteous Steps said:
Whats new about it? Wars are as old as man, I’m glad Germany take a more reasoned approach, millions of native Americans were killed based on principles of it being a new world.
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After the fall of the Soviet Union, Western hegemony was at its peak. 90s Russia was weak and China was still heavily lagging behind the West. Now the Russians have built a pretty formidable military again all things considered and China is competing with America. This is not the kind of world where the EU should be perceived as weak IMO.
 
Rektsanwalt said:
it won't happen, the new government was a step even more so in that particular direction

Edit: funny enough, I was laughed at on this forum when I said it's very bad that the new government will not have any skills in military and defense scenarios and will not lift a finger to prepare anything

we'd get rolled over in a day or two by russia
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Interestingly, Merkel was one of the few world leaders Putin appeared to have respect for. Is it a surprise that this has come about pretty much as soon as her presence in Germany/Europe has gone?
 
Sarni said:
Being just behind their border, statements like these are worrying. Basically if he feels like he wants to send a message to Poland, he could and nobody would react? Then what is the purpose of the pact?
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I think people are being a bit fatalistic here. Any country with important NATO members stationed there will be defended by NATO as part of it's own.
 
JPRouve said:
And I genuinely don't think that being a NATO member would have made a big difference. Putin seems to have succumbed to pure lunacy and it's very dangerous to get involved without thinking carefully when you are dealing with someone acting desperate. I don't mind criticizing NATO and the west but it's a good sign that they don't act recklessly, we are not talking about a conflict against the 50th military power.
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??? you really think NATO is a joke?
 
We need an rvn said:
So basically he's saying we're going to help Ukraine, by increasing our defences in Nato countries. We have trained and given weapons to the Ukrainian army and that's pretty much all we are going to do....oh, and sanctions

I feel for Ukrainians here
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Thats it. Nobody is going to fight Ukraines war for them, because the cost of getting involved in the conflict is too high. Nobody wants to risk missiles raining down on Western Europe, nobody wants to see ships sinking and aircraft being blown up.
 
Sarni said:
Being just behind their border, statements like these are worrying. Basically if he feels like he wants to send a message to Poland, he could and nobody would react? Then what is the purpose of the pact?
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Little basis to make the claim but i think it's a very different story with Poland. The optics and politics of it is very different.
 
Moiraine said:
Apologies for asking this but Can someone enlighten me, what’s Russian stance? Why are they attacking Ukraine?
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According to Putin. Ukraine are guilty of destroying russian monuments, turning their back to the Russian Empire, threatening Russia with NATO forces, threatening them with nuclear-weapons(in the near future) and not really being a thing without Russia. Also being ruled by nazis.

It may sound like a joke but that's the gist of it.
 
groovyalbert said:
Interestingly, Merkel was one of the few world leaders Putin appeared to have respect for. Is it a surprise that this has come about pretty much as soon as her presence in Germany/Europe has gone?
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No, I just said this to my wife. This would not have happened with Merkel still in charge, I'm pretty sure. At least not in this severity, more Krim like.
 
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