Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion
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I mean, what?you are unbelievable
So the most powerful military alliance in the history of the planet, comprising 31 of the world's most advanced militaries. Formed specifically as a mutual defence pact in the case of a Russian attack, couldn't 'alone' decide to defend themselves. NATO would need permission to do the very thing it was created for?
OK, who's permission would they need?
Entities meaning weapons manufacturers. The war has been an economic disaster for all of Europe.
What about Coleen?
He is right in so far as NATO should be sure that of they join Ukraine no one joins Russia in this war.
I'm curious, is this really the case? The initial chaos in the first weeks after the invasion is gone. Gas prices don't seem to be that big of a topic anymore and have lowered.
I'm sure European economies took a hit. But has it been a disaster?
Highly unlikely anyone would want to help Russia if they've caused a Nuclear disaster, certainly not China. But even if for some reason a country did I don't see how that would change the NATO's decision once it's been made. If NATO considers it's been attacked then it will activate Article 5 regardless of the actions of some other countries.
NATO doesn't trigger Article 5 - a member country does and it's only ever happened once
The feck?
He had wigs.
He had wigs.
Lviv attacked last night.
In the event of Russia purposely causing a Nuclear disaster in Ukraine. The aftermath of that would affect multiple NATO members. Ergo multiple members/NATO.
Even so that doesn't negate my last post, so not sure what your point was.
Bastards. They'll claim right away they dont attack residental buildings..
When I see this I have an urge to slap silly anyone who supports Russia over this or in general. Thats why I'm actively avoiding that people.
Sadly only 7 out of 10 cruise missiles were shot down heading for Lviv. I can imagine Ukraine has not much air defense there and prioritize other regions and towns , given the town is far in the west and close to the polish border.
Literally 100m or so from my in-laws’ apartment. They hit the building next to the bus stop where we always get off when in the city. I recognised the location on Twitter and Telegram and had to wake my wife up to tell her, whose phone was full of messages from people asking.
They would have been aiming for the military academy on the same street parallel to the park, missing by several hundred metres.
It couldnt be more tacky if he tried.
We visited this restaurant last time we were in Lviv:
What's making that dude think there would be explosives on roofs? Roofs specifically designed to be bomb proof...
edit: nevermind, guess he's responding to this:
The country closest to the plant is... Russia. Forget NATO countries. If the wind blows the wrong way, and most winds in Europe go West to East, some of the most densely populated areas of Russia are right on the border with Ukraine and well within the fallout zone. They would be absolutely nuts to set off a nuclear disaster on their own doorstep.
That second clip is obviously not Putin. 30 seconds and not a single clear shot of his face. Also, in touching distance of regular people? He'd never.
Judging by some of the decisions they've made over there in the last 2 years, I honestly wouldn't be shocked. They blew up a dam that affected them more than Ukraine only a few weeks ago.
You say that as if putin gives a shit about his own population.
Good thread about the ongoing counteroffensive
This is pretty amazing, Lukashenko talking to the BBC directly. Seems to think he can decide to use Russia's tactical nukes without their say-so. Probably bluster.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-66129555
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-66129555
It affected Ukrainian tertority currently occupied by Russia more than Ukrainian tertority not occupied by Russia. It was barbaric, but made sense from a ruthless Russian POV. It causes chaos and destruction to Ukrainian infrastructure and the civilian population. It also reduces the front line they have to defend by making it inaccessible. Even if only temporarily.
He clearly doesn't and treats the population and civil infrastructure as a resource to be used to further his goals rather than as a functioning society. But nuclear fallout over vast swathes of his "resources" is counter productive to his efforts.
That being said, I'm sure they could do a lot of localised damaged by sabotaging the plant in some way without causing a full blown meltdown or blowing up piles of nuclear material into the atmosphere.
Yeah that's what I meant though you described it more accurately.
It was barbaric indeed.
But if it's true he is on a speedrun of getting rid of Putin's power over Belarus.
When he got the nukes he said "no country that got nukes has ever been attacked". I already at the time wondered if his endgame here is preventing occupation by Russia...
Those nukes are useless without the electronic codes, which are in Putin's briefcase, no? I don't think Putin would risk it and give Lukashenko the opportunity to become independent.
That's the point of the video I responded to - he made it sound like he can decide to use them. That would require Belarus to actually knowing the codes.
Probably it's just talk and the truth is what you said, but if Lukashenko really got those we know would have to treat Belarus as a nuclear power indeed. And this "we" includes Russia...
Come on, of course he won't be able to decide to use them on his own without approval from Russia. But he would never say so openly since it makes him seem completely dependent on Russia, which he does not like - but being dependent on Russia it is the only way he can stay in power.
I am honestry amazed how he is still able to fool many in the west that he seriously wants to get rid of Russian influence over Belarus. He is almost 30 years in power. Over this time he tied Belarusian economy to Russia even more that it was before. Politically and militarily he took Belarus to all the possible unions with Russia. Russian army can march through Belarus if it wants to. His security services and military are full of people who would welcome Russian occupation. If Putin decided to annex Belarus he could do it with relative ease unfortunately - and that is entirely of Lukashenka's making. If he were serious about decoupling from Russia he wouldn't be doing what he did over 30 years.
Of course he values the fact that he is nominally independent and has more freedom of action than heads of Russian regions, since he likes power more than anything else. But if he had a choice between (i) Belarus stays independent and he has to relinquish power and (ii) Belarus gets annexed and he stays head of autonomous Bealsrusian region within Russia - he would always choose the latter. As a Belarusian who observes him closely for the last 25 years and have read his biographies etc etc - I am 100% sure of that.
Oh I don't think he wants to get rid of ties to Russia, but as you yourself said he values his independency and during all those deals he always made sure that he gets a good deal from Russia.
Like for example having Russian troops keep him in power and then sending no troops to support them in Ukraine. I am quite sure that Putin is very unhappy about that, but he apparently doesn't have the means to do anything to force Lukashenko, but instead even has to endure hearing Lukashenko about how he calmed down Putin during the Wagner coup as if Putin was an enraged Teenager.