Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

Who knew that allowing private military companies to form, freely recruit thousands of disenfranchised people from penal colonies and then use state resources to arm them with heavy weaponry like IFVs, MBTs and artillery would see them turn against the state when the state becomes weak?

I have to say. Putin for a long time enjoyed a reputation akin to an evil genius or puppet master here in the West. But in the last few years the facade has completely fallen. He should have stayed happy with his kleptocracy by milking the Russian state and people to the end of his days. But he had an ambition to build a great legacy and enter a pantheon of Russian leaders by expanding the borders of his huge state. And now he reminds me more of a Russian version of the British classic, pub-dwelling, bumbling, nationalist idiot full of “Great Empire” revanchism and bravado but very little intellect to back anything up.
That's a very nice summing up.

I would add though that Putin is probably slightly deranged.
 
Might be a stupid question at this point of the conflict, but: How does someone like me differentiate wagner groups in something like that from ordinary russian troops?

It's not a stupid question, and I'd take with a pinch of salt anyone who says they definitively can.
 
My first thought was exactly this - What are 25,000 or 50,000 troops going to do against planes in the sky?

Well presumably try to shoot them down. You need a lot of missiles to take out 25,000 trained and armoured troops I should think.
 
Oh, for god's sake, forget the nukes. It's just bullshit. Nobody will launch nukes.
Going by the state of the Russian supplies, I’d be surprised if they’re flight-worthy. Would likely just detonate as soon as some rusty bit caves in and thus obliterating the user.

They know they’re in shite condition. Agree that no nukes will be used.
 
Shoot them with various types of SAMs
Well presumably try to shoot them down. You need a lot of missiles to take out 25,000 trained and armoured troops I should think.

I suppose my complete ignorance of anything military is obvious :lol:

I was picturing a massacre from above if the Russian Army decided to actually take out the Wagner group, I have no idea how well equipped they are to put up a resistance to that.
 
Hopefully this is the beginning of the end for this dreadful Russian invasion of Ukraine at least whatever happens. Surely Ukraine can capitalize on this in a big way to retake their own territory?
 
It still feels surreal. Everyone thought Putin's tight control mechanism would never allow something like this and here were are, from Kiev in 3 days to civil war in Russia. Who would have thought that providing your mercenaries with tens of thousands of soldiers and a huge amount of weapons of all kinds could one day bite your ass.

No more Wagner ads in Russia :(


(Maybe they will appear in Ukraine now :nervous:)
 
It still feels surreal. Everyone thought Putin's tight control mechanism would never allow something like this and here were are, from Kiev in 3 days to civil war in Russia. Who would have thought that providing your mercenaries with tens of thousands of soldiers and a huge amount of weapons of all kinds could one day bite your ass.

No more Wagner ads :(

Prigozzi went to PSG
 
Could be difficult to bomb Wagner columns when you give them anti air systems.
 
Kadyrov's comments so far seem to indicate he'll support Putin? Could be empty rhetoric, mind.
 
Kadyrov's comments so far seem to indicate he'll support Putin? Could be empty rhetoric, mind.

Of course he'll support Putin, because he got all his power and wealth from him. At least for as long as it looks like that Putin is winning. That goes for all of Putin's "friends". They will support him only as long as they think he'll win. Being on the losing side means either instant death, or prison with torture and then death. There is no middleground in Putin's Russia, he needs to make a statement.
 
Kadyrov's comments so far seem to indicate he'll support Putin? Could be empty rhetoric, mind.
Someone should tell him that now is the time to liberate Chechnya and become president and a legend over there.
 
Kadyrov's comments so far seem to indicate he'll support Putin? Could be empty rhetoric, mind.

I think Kadyrov has had enough evidence in Ukraine that he and his men are far too worthless to go it alone against men like Prigozhin and Putin.