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do.ob said:
If Biden was able to force Germany to completely change their energy supply, don't you think the would have done something about countries like Greece by now?
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I don't know about that, but in the statement everybody likes to bring up when Biden stated he will shut down Nordstream 2 if Russia invades, he appeared very confident he does have the influence to do it. His words "I promise you, we'll be able to do it".

Don't ask me how, I'm sure its more complex than asking nicely, but POTUS does have influence believe it or not and he's a seasoned diplomat. Shell pulled out of the Nordstream deal on 1st March, that was one of the nails in the coffin. Shell just so happen to be massively exposed to US policy.

Perhaps it was all Germany and Biden didn't have to do anything... Just the vibe German politicians were giving to the outside world at the time wasn't very encouraging. Perhaps stefan can correct me on that and their was a lot of internal support for it?

edit: just doing some googling from around the time. The US issued sanctions against Nord Stream 2 AG, the Russian owned Swiss company. Dead.
 
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Simbo said:
I don't know about that, but in the statement everybody likes to bring up when Biden stated he will shut down Nordstream 2 if Russia invades, he appeared very confident he does have the influence to do it. His words "I promise you, we'll be able to do it".

Don't ask me how, I'm sure its more complex than asking nicely, but POTUS does have influence believe it or not and he's a seasoned diplomat. Shell pulled out of the Nordstream deal on 1st March, that was one of the nails in the coffin. Shell just so happen to be massively exposed to US policy.

Perhaps it was all Germany and Biden didn't have to do anything... Just the vibe German politicians were giving to the outside world at the time wasn't very encouraging. Perhaps stefan can correct me on that and their was a lot of internal support for it?

edit: just doing some googling from around the time. The US issued sanctions against Nord Stream 2 AG, the Russian owned Swiss company. Dead.
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It wasn't directly dead, some of the companies pulled out and were replaced to finalize Nord Stream 2, which was done.

It was dead when the operating license was refused, which was the easy trick the German government used.

None of this affected NS1.
 
stefan92 said:
Biden openly threatened to shut down Nordstream by all means.
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This happened before the war started. If at that time Germany agreed with Biden that if Russia invades Ukraine they will kill both Nord Stream pipelines, then the Russians probably would not have started the war. But the German stance encouraged Putin. Putin believed that perhaps the Germans will help him, like a Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact mk2. Unfortunately, the German stance from 2014 - 2022 has played a major role in allowing this war.

Since then, and after the first few months of the war, Germany has decided to help Ukraine (only after considerable pressure from the US), and since then contributed a lot. But it would be better for everyone if Germany was clearly and unequivocally on Ukraine's side between 2014-22, Putin would not have started this war.
 
stefan92 said:
I do believe that the context is pretty clear, it is in the thread title.
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No, the context is not clear. Biden talked about NS2, before the war, and only if Russia invades Ukraine. That should have been the position of the German State as well, it is unimaginable that Germany would continue with NS2 while Russia is killing Ukrainians. Biden stated the obvious, nothing more.


But there are more lies here. You keep referring to Biden when talking about the Nord Stream 1 explosion. This is deception. You imply that Biden talked about Nord Stream 1, so perhaps the Americans are behind the explosion because Biden made threats. That's lying without actually telling the lie, since you only imply "the obvious". Biden never said anything about NS1.
 
It's a shame that the UN couldn't show a bit of muscle over this dam crisis and enforce a brief "no fly zone" to evacuate people. The reluctance of the west to provide more aid is appalling, but I can understand that actually providing humanitarian relief is very problematic when in an active war site. I suspect the Russians would love a brief "ceasefire" to reposition in response to the counter -offensive, and have shown they don't respect such conventions anyway.

Is getting action from the UN being restricted by Russia's role on the security council at the moment - or could UNHCR act independently?
 
buchansleftleg said:
It's a shame that the UN couldn't show a bit of muscle over this dam crisis and enforce a brief "no fly zone" to evacuate people. The reluctance of the west to provide more aid is appalling, but I can understand that actually providing humanitarian relief is very problematic when in an active war site. I suspect the Russians would love a brief "ceasefire" to reposition in response to the counter -offensive, and have shown they don't respect such conventions anyway.

Is getting action from the UN being restricted by Russia's role on the security council at the moment - or could UNHCR act independently?
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A bit of everything, UN is just useless in current world.

Russian forces have been shelling the area where Ukraine is trying to evacuate people in Kherson region all morning.
 
The Firestarter said:
the Russians have always honored their own commitments
the Russians have always honored their own commitments
the Russians have always honored their own commitments
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Name literally one time when they haven't. Okay, name two. Name three then, if you're so smart. I bet you can't even name four. There's no way you can name five. Go ahead, name six times the Russians haven't honoured their commitments.
 
nimic said:
Name literally one time when they haven't. Okay, name two. Name three then, if you're so smart. I bet you can't even name four. There's no way you can name five. Go ahead, name six times the Russians haven't honoured their commitments.
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And after you name 20, you get "oh yeah, but what about the west?"
 
nimic said:
Name literally one time when they haven't. Okay, name two. Name three then, if you're so smart. I bet you can't even name four. There's no way you can name five. Go ahead, name six times the Russians haven't honoured their commitments.
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the hea said:
Here is the video. Looks like at least one Ukrainian tank was hit and destroyed. Looking at the amount of vehicles I believe these are still only small reconnaissance attacks and I believe we have not seen any major breakthrough attempt from the Ukrainians yet.
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While the attacks aren't that large in scale yet, I wouldn't expect to see recon in force using the NATO tanks. Obviously, that's just me, it could be exactly what they're doing.
 
Carolina Red said:
While the attacks aren't that large in scale yet, I wouldn't expect to see recon in force using the NATO tanks. Obviously, that's just me, it could be exactly what they're doing.
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I dunno, recon will take whatever tools are available for the job they are on. Leo 2's are now ready to go in the Ukraine arsenal, so are being put to use.
 
Simbo said:
I dunno, recon will take whatever tools are available for the job they are on. Leo 2's are now ready to go in the Ukraine arsenal, so are being put to use.
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I’m just thinking of conservation of force. “Why use the Leopards unless you have to?”

On a different tangent though, they could use them as a distraction. Russia thinks the NATO tanks appearing means that’s the spear point kinda thing
 
Carolina Red said:
I’m just thinking of conservation of force. “Why use the Leopards unless you have to?”

On a different tangent though, they could use them as a distraction. Russia thinks the NATO tanks appearing means that’s the spear point kinda thing
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Yeh we really don't know what's going on here. As that's the whole point, to ensure the Russian's don't have a clue of what's coming.
 
Carolina Red said:
While the attacks aren't that large in scale yet, I wouldn't expect to see recon in force using the NATO tanks. Obviously, that's just me, it could be exactly what they're doing.
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I think that is exactly what they are doing.
Leo 2s are faster, more maneuvarable and have much better armor compared to T-72s so they are much better suited for recce missions compared to the older Ukrainian tanks. We have also seen AMX-10s being deployed in the last days and these are vehicles designed for armored reconnaissance missions. My guess is that we are now in the final stages of the Ukrainian preparations for a major breakthrough attempt on the Russian fortifications.

It's when we start seeing these beasts rolling up on the Russian fortifications that we know that a major breakthrough attempt is under way.
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Guys, you need to remember that this is Ukraine and there’s still going to be a layer of soviet commanders that are no better than what orcs have. From what I understand it was poor leadership that has led to these stupid tactics being deployed during the first phase of the offensive in some directions, I hear a lot from Ukrainians close to the matter, unfortunately.
 
Simbo said:
Yeh we really don't know what's going on here. As that's the whole point, to ensure the Russian's don't have a clue of what's coming.
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That’s a fair point
the hea said:
It's when we start seeing these beasts rolling up on the Russian fortifications that we know that a major breakthrough attempt is under way.
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:lol: Yeah there won’t be any mistaking it then
 
Carolina Red said:
I’m just thinking of conservation of force. “Why use the Leopards unless you have to?”

On a different tangent though, they could use them as a distraction. Russia thinks the NATO tanks appearing means that’s the spear point kinda thing
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Exactly this. Russia will be tracking as much as it can re vehicle movement from satellites, the dumbest thing possible would be for Ukraine to use NATO tanks where they actually want to break through.

It seems like they're probing everywhere along the Russian line from the verified news and the hope it suddenly one area will get targeted with a much larger force but you never know, this might genuinely be all they can muster right now.
 
tomaldinho1 said:
Exactly this. Russia will be tracking as much as it can re vehicle movement from satellites, the dumbest thing possible would be for Ukraine to use NATO tanks where they actually want to break through.

It seems like they're probing everywhere along the Russian line from the verified news and the hope it suddenly one area will get targeted with a much larger force but you never know, this might genuinely be all they can muster right now.
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At this stage, it does not matter where they put the tanks are. RA will know everything within a few hours. What I don't get is why UA feels the need to probe the line at this point. Shouldn't they have spied on the RA defense and amassed a wealth of knowledge about them by now? We've had some Twitter users looking at the RA defense positions for months, and they appear to be quite substantial, given that the RA had months to prepare for this. They should just concentrate their forces on certain areas to get some break through. Probing the lines sounds like what Wagner did with Bakhmut for months, and I don't think it is the situation that the UA want to find themselves to be in.

Obviously, we are just commenting on whatever they wrote on the news on the South. The main offensive could be somewhere else, probably in the Northeast.
 
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Rajma said:
Guys, you need to remember that this is Ukraine and there’s still going to be a layer of soviet commanders that are no better than what orcs have. From what I understand it was poor leadership that has led to these stupid tactics being deployed during the first phase of the offensive in some directions, I hear a lot from Ukrainians close to the matter, unfortunately.
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It has been the case with some of them this whole war. People get giddy about NATO's basic training and equipment, but it is really hard to transform an army quickly during the war, especially with older commanders. I hope they are not losing too many lives and equipment while trying to "prob the line".
 
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