Russian invasion of Ukraine | Fewer tweets, more discussion

I don't think Russia blow up the dam because they believe they will lose Crimea, well, not anytime soon anyway, Ukraine getting Crimea before winter sets in is very unrealistic, is it not?

They did it out of spite, and to hinder Ukraine troops, maybe next year they could lose it, but feels way too early for them to panic over Crimea now.
 
Morty_ said:
I don't think Russia blow up the dam because they believe they will lose Crimea, well, not anytime soon anyway, Ukraine getting Crimea before winter sets in is very unrealistic, is it not?

They did it out of spite, and to hinder Ukraine troops, maybe next year they could lose it, but feels way too early for them to panic over Crimea now.
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It is essentially that and to force the UA to redirect some resources to their South. Just a short-term diversion tactic, I would think. Along with the news we received now, it pretty well indicated that the UA's counterattack began on Monday. But, it is far too early for the RA to be concerned about losing Crimea.
 


Because Elon is a cheapskate, there's no translate function on Twitter anymore so I can't link to the original tweet with confidence that everyone can read it. So the Russian Duma bars investigations of "hazardous" facilities that are damaged in war or by "terrorist" attacks until 2028.

Here's the article: https://theins.ru/news/262336
 
AlPistacho said:
I wonder what the response would have been if anyone had suggested ukraine did it back when it happened. I remember those saying it was the USA were getting called crazy conspiracy theorist
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I am not sure about the "global" response but I know that it was discussed among my friends as a pretty realistic option.
 
Cloud7 said:
This is an incredibly tone deaf tweet
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If I am not mistaken, Russia is currently leading the Security Council of UN (the leaders swap every few months based on some schedule done years in advance).
 
AlPistacho said:
I wonder what the response would have been if anyone had suggested ukraine did it back when it happened. I remember those saying it was the USA were getting called crazy conspiracy theorist
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Plenty of people suggested Ukraine did it.

I seem to remember we wondered what they might have to gain from it but it wasn't a conspiracy theorist response to the suggestion.
 
matherto said:
Plenty of people suggested Ukraine did it.

I seem to remember we wondered what they might have to gain from it but it wasn't a conspiracy theorist response to the suggestion.
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I don’t think those that suggested it were met with nice responses.

It always struck me as something that wasn’t in Russia’s interest and most likely USA.
 
AlPistacho said:
I wonder what the response would have been if anyone had suggested ukraine did it back when it happened. I remember those saying it was the USA were getting called crazy conspiracy theorist
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Which part of these tweets say that US did it?
 
Rajma said:
All these poor animals…
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I know the people of Ukraine have suffered hugely and is awful to see and read about. Would never wish what they are going through on another human.

But when I see something like this I just hate the human race at times and how much other species have to suffer at our hands without any regard or thought

upsetting to see
 
Russian sources are claiming UAF has launched another major offensive, this time toward Tokmak. So no doubt we'll be hearing reports soon that they've defeated it, killed 5k troops, 100 tanks and 20 F-16's.
 
massi83 said:
So there was nothing wrong about labeling the people who thought US did as conspiracy theorist, at the time.
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Or those who thought Russia did it....maybe. That's the thing about underhand actions perpetrated for unclear reasons. Folk have to theorise some sort of conspiracy because that's what it took to plan and enact the event.

I thought Russia did it, though I was definitely hazy about their motivations. Who was your money on?
 
Ekkie Thump said:
Or those who thought Russia did it....maybe. That's the thing about underhand actions perpetrated for unclear reasons. Folk have to theorise some sort of conspiracy because that's what it took to plan and enact the event.

I thought Russia did it, though I was definitely hazy about their motivations. Who was your money on?
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My money still on the Russians doing it, mainly from the effort they put in to suggest the US did it.
 
Ekkie Thump said:
Or those who thought Russia did it....maybe. That's the thing about underhand actions perpetrated for unclear reasons. Folk have to theorise some sort of conspiracy because that's what it took to plan and enact the event.

I thought Russia did it, though I was definitely hazy about their motivations. Who was your money on?
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I thought probably Russia, but didn't really think that made sense, but that has never stopped Russia.

Ukraine doing it makes some sense, but it wouldn't have been my tactic. Seems like there's more to lose than to gain.

But huge difference between Ukraine pissing off Germany and US doing it. Would be very bizarre geopolitical action from US, whereas, at the time, Germany was rather useless for Ukraine.
 
massi83 said:
I thought probably Russia, but didn't really think that made sense, but that has never stopped Russia.

Ukraine doing it makes some sense, but it wouldn't have been my tactic. Seems like there's more to lose than to gain.

But huge difference between Ukraine pissing off Germany and US doing it. Would be very bizarre geopolitical action from US, whereas, at the time, Germany was rather useless for Ukraine.
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Biden openly threatened to shut down Nordstream by all means.
 
stefan92 said:
Biden openly threatened to shut down Nordstream by all means.
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Yes he did. And he did it to deter Russia from invading. There certainly is a case to be made that not following through on that threat would be very dangerous, as it would embolden Putin further.
 
stefan92 said:
Biden openly threatened to shut down Nordstream by all means.
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Threatening Russia about it pre-war, is a very different situation, than to do it and potentially damage US relations with Germany and other EU countries when unity is needed.

Whereas if Russia actually did conquer Ukraine, then go ahead and blow it up, why not. But the situation in Septembet didn't warrant that action.
 
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Biden did shut down nordstream within a week of the invasion, long before the bombing.
 
massi83 said:
Threatening Russia about it pre-war, is a very different situation, than to do it and potentially damage US relations with Germany and other EU countries when unity is needed.

Whereas if Russia actually did conquer Ukraine, then go ahead and blow it up, why not. But the situation in Septembet didn't warrant that action.
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As Nord Stream is/was partially owned by German companies it was a threat against German interests and considering that Nord Stream 2 was stopped for some months vy US sanctions against German companies it's just wrong to limit these actions to "threatening Russia".

The US/German relations were definitely negatively affected by this.
 
Simbo said:
Biden did shut down nordstream within a week of the invasion, long before the bombing.
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He didn't. His sanctions did not stop it, the decision was made in the German government to reduce and phase out it's usage (and to not letting NS2 become operational).

The USA are not a world government and such posts are just ignorant.
 
stefan92 said:
As Nord Stream is/was partially owned by German companies it was a threat against German interests and considering that Nord Stream 2 was stopped for some months vy US sanctions against German companies it's just wrong to limit these actions to "threatening Russia".

The US/German relations were definitely negatively affected by this.
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I don't think anyone cared what Germany thought at the time. Now sure, in September probably. Pre-war and first couple of months, feck Germany.
 
stefan92 said:
He didn't. His sanctions did not stop it, the decision was made in the German government to reduce and phase out it's usage (and to not letting NS2 become operational).

The USA are not a world government and such posts are just ignorant.
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With no pressure/influence from the US? I doubt.
 
Simbo said:
With no pressure/influence from the US? I doubt.
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If Biden was able to force Germany to completely change their energy supply, don't you think the would have done something about countries like Greece by now?
 
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