We aren’t getting top 6 with our current midfielders.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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That list makes Amorim look bad as he underperforms relative to Arteta and Klopp.
There are plenty calling for him to be sacked , granted most of them are typing on a computer who haven’t been to OT
Hardly any fans want him sacked now. I would be surprised if Amorim manages 8 wins in the PL this season, which would then rank at the bottom of the stat. Let's see in May.
Prepare to be astounded that Ineos don’t judge a Manager after 3 months
Season ticket holder here who wants him sacked. Trekking to games in the pouring rain only to see him field 7 defensive players week in week out has worn me down worse than Van Gaal's zombie football. For all of Ten Hag's faults, at least he would occasionally have a go and we'd see fast breaks to get us off our seats.
I can't fathom the theory that Van Nistelrooy should have been sacked and Ruben shouldn't. Ruben hasn't had a chance to manage 'his players'. Is it not the same for other under- performing managers?
It’s been less than 4 months he’s been in the job trying to implement a system with half a underperforming squad and the other half injured
I get that he's been dealt a shit hand. However I am not a fan of the direction he's going to take us in. Sticking rigidly to wing backs, 2 CMs and 2 number 10s isn't for me.
Don't think theres enough being said about how terrible our squad was on Sunday that was available. We named only 7 out of the 9 subs, 2 of which were goalkeepers, 2 were kids we took from Arsenals academy in recent months to leave Lindelof, Casemiro and Garnacho. Lindelof who's on his way out of the club, Casemiro who's legs are gone and Garnacho who had a knock. At max 2 attacking players on the bench.
Our squad of 18 had 3 GK's, 2 RB's, 5 CB's, 3 DM's (2 that can't run), 2 SS, 1 winger and 2 strikers. Of the 5 attacking players one is without a goal in 20, one without a goal in 18, one has 1 goal in 16, the other is a 17yo child and then that leaves Bruno Fernandes (thank god).
I was even envious of Fulham to be able to bring on Raul Jimenez, Smith Rowe and Sessegnon.
Our squad of 18 had 3 GK's, 2 RB's, 5 CB's, 3 DM's (2 that can't run), 2 SS, 1 winger and 2 strikers. Of the 5 attacking players one is without a goal in 20, one without a goal in 18, one has 1 goal in 16, the other is a 17yo child and then that leaves Bruno Fernandes (thank god).
I was even envious of Fulham to be able to bring on Raul Jimenez, Smith Rowe and Sessegnon.
Yes, I agree! Taking the team upwards and downwards is the same thing. I didn't realize until I read that post. Glad we found the one guy with all the clues.
You are making it sound like he didn't have any agency in this. Nobody forced him to sign. And the job might just have been available in the summer again.
I honestly feel like I'm looking at a different team when others look at it and think it should be comfortably beating teams like Fulham. It's trash on paper and in reality.
Players like Berge walk into our team who so many turned their noses up at in the summer.
Should be pinned to show how he has been absolutely miles worse than all of those examples of managers who took over mid season.
He looks fuxking terrible when compared to any of these, he looks fecking terrible when compared to David Moyes at Everton even.
He’s been absolutely shockingly shite.
I wonder if he regrets his choice, a good showing of Sporting in the CL might have led to any number of job opportunities.
Also there are plenty so desperate for him to succeed, that they become unbearable top reds. Think we're all desperate for somebody to succeed at this point, but questioning the loyalty of fans who are concerned with decisions and the direction of a club that has continuously made diabolical decisions for over a decade now isn't the way to go. It's not the fanbase fault the club keeps hiring incompetent managers and players.
My biggest concern is that we are talking about football as if it was some sort of tactical rocket science.
But it isn't.
We all can see that for this system to work we need center backs who can read the game and go up to the midfield for interceptions, AM/Wingers hybrids that have very good endurance because those guys will be all over the place and the wingbacks have to read the game well to understand if they have to be on the inside or outside.
In the portuguese league this is easier to achieve because teams under top 6 sit very deep and will mostly play on getting the most of the mistakes bigger clubs make during the match.
In England, every team will be pressing you and cuting the passing lances, which means players need to be very sharp on their decisions.
The good thing of this system is that if you recover the ball fast, you can heavily punish the opposition. But will it be achievable in a time where specialized roles are a thing?
But it isn't.
We all can see that for this system to work we need center backs who can read the game and go up to the midfield for interceptions, AM/Wingers hybrids that have very good endurance because those guys will be all over the place and the wingbacks have to read the game well to understand if they have to be on the inside or outside.
In the portuguese league this is easier to achieve because teams under top 6 sit very deep and will mostly play on getting the most of the mistakes bigger clubs make during the match.
In England, every team will be pressing you and cuting the passing lances, which means players need to be very sharp on their decisions.
The good thing of this system is that if you recover the ball fast, you can heavily punish the opposition. But will it be achievable in a time where specialized roles are a thing?
Cool story bro
But they apparently judge a sporting director after the same time frame?
There's a few issues here.
It is well-known that Klopp and Arteta did not perform particularly well in the league in their incomplete seasons. They were judged positively because of cup performance. Arsenal reached the FA Cup final under Arteta and won it; Liverpool reached the Europa League and League Cup finals, but lost them. Those cup runs suggested to fans that the ability to compete could be there, but consistency wasn't anywhere close. United on the other hand are out of both domestic cups. If they have a deep Europa League run then people will be more positive.
I think the final position is more important than the improvement. A team that finishes 8th is inconsistent, but win more games than they lose. They usually have a positive goal difference. The fan will be able to see some capacity to score goals, or to defend, or both. The team will have good and bad runs of form. That Liverpool team had games where they scored 4, 5, even 6 goals. Then they'd lose a few winnable games. They were inconsistent. But the fan could look at the cup runs, and at the good bits of the season, and think there is something there.
A team that's 12-15th is more consistently poor. They will lose more games than they win. They will probably have a negative goal difference. The fan will see less capacity to score goals, or defend, or both. You can have a situation like Spurs, who are winning big but losing most games and thus languishing in the bottom half with a +14 goal difference, but that's highly unusual. So when the fan is seeing consistently middling results, inability to string a series of results together, etc. they'll understandably judge it differently.
The same people who turn their noses up at Berge cheered when each of our current players were signed …. the same players who they now complain about.
Unfortunately it’s not a story though is it bro?
I honestly feel sone fans have learned next to nothing these past years, Berge most likely would’ve been utter shite here in our super high pressured toxic environment.
I know y'all probably can't stand him anymore by now.
But please, trust me: it will heal. All the pain from losses and draws and eliminations that may come this season will be planting seeds for a bright future. The disease is spreading, but it must so that the rebuild is possible.
Trust him, and trust me, it will compensate. The path is forward, not backwards.
But please, trust me: it will heal. All the pain from losses and draws and eliminations that may come this season will be planting seeds for a bright future. The disease is spreading, but it must so that the rebuild is possible.
Trust him, and trust me, it will compensate. The path is forward, not backwards.
The complete opposite, actually. It was just a power play, knowing the United job is still a prestigious one - it shows they wanted him to start the revolution asap, rather than just spin the wheels under an interim for 6 months.
Even more reason why he’s not getting sacked anytime soon, they knew what was required, unlike half the people in this thread.
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Both the astounding managers that get a lot of hype like Klopp and Arteta surprisingly were Eight’th or 8’th in the league in their first season as far as I recall ….do many of the posters here want to argue that Reuben will lead us to a champions league place …come on …it’s not his squad and signings…Give a full season until you judge…no one of us will enjoy winning a premier league until the rot and rust has been cleared.
If your potential employer gives you an ultimatum, you’re not going to risk calling their bluff if it’s a prestigious job you know you want.
Blame United’s management for the ultimatum in the first place if you must. Anyone criticising him for taking it would no doubt have called him unambitious or risk-averse if he declined it and lost out on the opportunity altogether.
I'd say Ruben is smart enough to realize that he has no natural reassurance but that in the worst case he would land softly. If we sack him, I think it is fair to say it will come with another nice compensation fee. At this rate, maybe we can achieve spending 100 million in compensation fees in 10 years. Where are we? I think, Ole and ETH were at least 10 each, weren't they? Think Mourinho also had a mentionworthy one.
Maybe a Bruno compilation on your phone to lighten the mood?
So you seem to not like the new coach then?
How many points off were we from a European spot when be joined? They were already writing off the season? Need to see what happens Thursday but I have a hard time believing if he said he'd finish 16th and bomb out all of the cup games they'd have signed him up enthusiastically.
What's happened, happened but expectations are going to be high next season, he has to show improvement with who is already here and early on my opinion. He can't just replace everyone.
While I don't think Ruben should be sacked. Let's not start leaning into the injury excuse. Up until a few weeks ago the only injuries we really had were Shaw who hasn't played since it feels like 2021 and Mount who is still to make his United debut.
Martinez, Collyer, Amad and Mainoo were all available up until the start of February. Right after the transfer window shut, a window where we signed only one player but let 3 go out on loan.
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Well we don't know that actually. It could just as easily be Ratlciffe/Ineos were embarrassed that they so publicly backed Ten Hag only to have it inevitably blow up in their faces 3 months later. So they were desperate to get a big name in asap to save face.
And it has to be said if Amorim was the clubs long term choice and not just the best available in November when they eventually realized they had to sack ETH. Then they could have got him in Pre-season as he was available last summer when the club were interviewing potential successors to Ten Hag. But apparently Amorim wasn't even interviewed.
Who calls Arteta an outstanding manager?
Again, statistical fallacy. Previous results doesn't necessarily mean it will happen again, in the same pattern. Amorim should only be judged by the work he has done, not based on some modelling of other people's work. This complete phantom clear out people expect will not happen. He has to work with some current players and improve them. The team can barely string a pass together. I'm not convinced he should be backed given the evidence of his man management, tactical input and capacity to improve the team.
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Liking him means nothing though does it? I mean, I like him, he’s charismatic and seems a top bloke.
But he’s been utter bobbins as manager so far, laughably so.
Yeah agree. Some are still transfixed by the United name. As if that must mean we're automatically better.
Berge was the best midfielder on the pitch I thought. I'd have no problem with signing him in the summer.
I expect we will get him some players in summer then sack him by Christmas and write off the season again
That part has perplexed me from day one. The only rational that I have is that Amorim's agent dissuaded teams to contact him after the Tottenham debacle.
Why don't we sign every Tom and their pug puppy every time they turn up at Old Trafford? Bassey was better than him and so was Iwobi. United should put in a bid too.
Players raise their game against united all the time, nothing new. Doesn't mean you should take out the purse strings and splash the cash like a cartel clan. The team isn't great and needs improving but Amorim also does himself no favours with his rigid system that has no signigicant previous successful body of work. He also regularly plays failures like Maguire in the team despite having a full picture of how poor these players are. Three center backs at home against Fulham and is afraid of playing academy players.
Make all the excuses you want for him but the pressure cooker is building up. If he tumbles out against Real Sociedad then he is in big trouble. People talk about "writing the season off" as if it's buying a tarnished bunch of potatoes from the grocery store and returning it for your pennies or getting a brand new one. United's financial success and ability to attract sponsors relies heavily on performance on the pitch. No other corporation or business can "write off" a business quarter without getting hit. The microscope is firmly zoomed in on him and he knows that too.
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Well here's the thing and brace yourself for this.
I've watched Berge play other games as well as the one last weekend.
Yep I'd be very interested to know what changed between July and October that suddenly made Amorim the clubs choice to build a long term project around.
Ruben had talks with West Ham, Liverpool and Spurs (I think). But United didn't feel the need to include him on their list of potential managers to interview.
His post makes no sense as it shows how bad he is compared to all those other managers.