I’m surprised that he’s only on a two year deal. Probably makes sense given the cost to terminate long conteracts.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss three 1-1 draws.
The first got us knocked out of the FA Cup, the next puts us in a good position in our Round of 16 Europa League game, and the latest was an actual decent performance against Arsenal at Old Trafford.
All hopes for the season now rest on the Europa League - does Amorim have the squad to win it?
Not sure what the exact process was. Read a couple of conflicting articles. One says if we paid more we could have gotten him sooner. Another says there is a law in Portugal whereby you need have to a period of waiting time. Ultimately it’s not the end of the world if he comes in 10 days later. I think we pushed him hard on this deal on many things they felt maybe he could have his goodbye and leave on his terms to maintain the relationship with both him and Sporting.
The only thing i'm happy about right now is that he comes into a squad that can probably be quite well adapted into a 3-4-3 but he's not beholden to any one player. He doesn't have the Antony price tag on his shoulders as an example. Unfortunately if he believes he needs new players and can't stomach starting a Case, Mainoo, Eriksen etc then we have a long time til the next proper window. I'm at the point already this season that I just want to not be in a relegation battle HAHAHA. That's enough for me.
I don't care whom he plays, but select the damn players that work best in your system and be flexible enough to drop the players that aren't working for someone that might. I don't know what has caused this at MUFC, but every god damn manager has talked about the ruthlessness of SAF, but then gone on to just play out of form dross week in, week out. Every manager has been swallowed by the dressing room or the board room and some fecker has to come in and go "this is what i'm doing, no one is safe in my squad, sack me if it goes wrong".
I don't care whom he plays, but select the damn players that work best in your system and be flexible enough to drop the players that aren't working for someone that might. I don't know what has caused this at MUFC, but every god damn manager has talked about the ruthlessness of SAF, but then gone on to just play out of form dross week in, week out. Every manager has been swallowed by the dressing room or the board room and some fecker has to come in and go "this is what i'm doing, no one is safe in my squad, sack me if it goes wrong".
I can't believe he said my captain Rashy shall always play.
@Raees would love to see a clip of your analysis on BBC for those who don't have access to iPlayer or a VPN!
And once again under the table.
I'm actually careful. Amorim is so young, he could actually be an active player yet. It's a huge step from being a coach of Braga and Sporting to be a coach of Man Utd. And i don't say that because PL is a lot stronger competition and currently unlkie Sporting in Portugal, our United isn't a top team in England at all. There's still chaos in Manchester, scrap players, mediocre squad, egos everywhere, holy cows like Rashford so he has a LOT more to do than just simply working on better tactics. And i really hope that he will bring (or recommend...) real quality players to the club, not like Antony, Zirkzee and the other scraps. Fortunately portuguese football creates lots of exciting new talents nowadays.
I look forward to our next games under Ruud but I'm really excited about how Amorim will set us up - he looks and sounds like the real deal and I'm ready to get hurt again.
Not buying so many predictions about how we will play. It's a different club, in a different league, in a different country with a completely different set of players. The confidence that many seem to have about how he'll approach things tactically isn't something I share.
At the very least there'll be some adjustments and tailoring to account for all of the above and any other number of untold variables. It feels like reading am author's previous novel and confidently predicting the plot, characters and dialogue of their next book.
At the very least there'll be some adjustments and tailoring to account for all of the above and any other number of untold variables. It feels like reading am author's previous novel and confidently predicting the plot, characters and dialogue of their next book.
Can pundits stop comparing him to pochettino , completely different set up and tactically
There’s an option for an extra year in the deal for the club so it’s basically 3 years if all goes well
I might be wrong but I’m inferring something completely different from everyone else from his comments.
A bit like how his “earning 3x more has been mistranslated” and he just means that another club could pay him what United are paying him (3x more than sporting), when he says that two other clubs have paid his buyout clause before, surely he just means Braga paid out his Casa Pia release clause and Sporting paid out his Braga release clause?
He seemed to be talking in that context essentially talking about how you have to make a decision and the pressure it puts on that decision.
We know no other club offered to pay his Sporting clause because they would have had to notify the stock market like they did as soon as we made our intention to pay it clear.
A bit like how his “earning 3x more has been mistranslated” and he just means that another club could pay him what United are paying him (3x more than sporting), when he says that two other clubs have paid his buyout clause before, surely he just means Braga paid out his Casa Pia release clause and Sporting paid out his Braga release clause?
He seemed to be talking in that context essentially talking about how you have to make a decision and the pressure it puts on that decision.
We know no other club offered to pay his Sporting clause because they would have had to notify the stock market like they did as soon as we made our intention to pay it clear.
I thought he was talking about West Ham last year - you're probably right
I think you are correct about the salary reference but he’s also making a point that he has had several other offers which he has rejected.
Think everyone has handled it the best way possible and I like how he addressed the media so there's nothing else to ask going forward.
Omar with some solid negotiating too, makes a good change from what we're used to.
Omar with some solid negotiating too, makes a good change from what we're used to.
I tend to agree with that. Good managers don't really copy and paste, he obviously has tendencies but how exactly he apply them can vary. All the top managers adapt their ideas to their new context.
I read up yesterday that Gyokeres and Hjulmand aren’t happy because Amorim said he was staying for one more season but he’s leaving half way through it. Can see a few of their players opting for moves in the summer as Amorim has a massive influence on a few of them.
I love how we managed to pull it of half way through the season. Usually we’d write the season of and go with an interim until the end of the season. Makes a massive change to see us actually planning and not giving away this season.
Obviously he might think the squad suits something else, but it’s worth appreciating that having spent the last couple of season coaching 343, he will be best at coaching that formation. With everything else he’ll have to learn at a new club, revisiting a formation that he hasn’t coached in a while, and was never successful with, feels like a risk.
To add - most seem to be judging Amorim's entire gameplan on his last ten matches or so. The Sporting who won their first title under him were very different to the one he's built today. They were more direct, sat a bit deeper, had both wingbacks as attacking as the other (ie; insanely so) and used a false 9-ish striker in Paulinho, with the bulk of the goals coming from the pair behind him.
There's no reason to suggest he'll look at our squad and see it as more of a 24 Sporting than a 21 version, even if we're only looking at his career to date to determine what type of football to expect.
The thing about letting him stay at Sporting for a few games is a good move in my opinion. It might be a sign that the club is trying to rebuild our image to show we have some class.
And telling him "now or never" i like too. When we've been looking at managers in the past, and people were saying that nobody would move at certain points of the season, this is something I said I'd like to see us do. This is a big opportunity for anyone and you don't get two chances at this.
So with those two moves, we've shown we've got class, but that we also are firm and know what a big chance this is that we are offering to people. Fergie used to say that, when it came to players we were looking to sign, he'd normally only give them one chance.
And telling him "now or never" i like too. When we've been looking at managers in the past, and people were saying that nobody would move at certain points of the season, this is something I said I'd like to see us do. This is a big opportunity for anyone and you don't get two chances at this.
So with those two moves, we've shown we've got class, but that we also are firm and know what a big chance this is that we are offering to people. Fergie used to say that, when it came to players we were looking to sign, he'd normally only give them one chance.
Amorim must be the real deal. Agbonlahor is saying we’ve finally got the right man. That guys been forever slating us for the past few years.
It’s the hope that kills you. I don’t know if I can get excited again, I’ve been hurt too many times in the past.
He will have to learn at a new club either way, he doesn't have the same players. And in general it's a misconception that people have about formations, managers understand how they all work none of them are new. Just an example about this strange link that people make, because people saw Tuchel comfortably implement a 3421 they almost exclusvely linked him with it when the formation he has used the most in his career is 4231, he also had no issue implement 433s or different variants of 442. Managers and players are almost never as limited as people seem to think, the question is always what organization is best for the concerned group of players.
2 of his coaching staff are 29 and 28. Not that it matters but it’s rare to have quite young coaches in professional football younger than some players. Aslong as they gain the respect it doesn’t matter I suppose
In terms of results we won’t be able to properly judge him until we get in to next season, unless we suddenly start setting the league a light. Simple because he’ll inherit a squad not selected to play the way he wants.
That saying there’s already something to work with for him in the current squad. The keeper is made for his preferred system and we have players in all positions who should be able to function a 3-4-3 formation I think.
That saying there’s already something to work with for him in the current squad. The keeper is made for his preferred system and we have players in all positions who should be able to function a 3-4-3 formation I think.
That and the key bit about Amorim, confirming all we “think” we know about him from his interview is “I prefer taking United over like this (us struggling). It means he can do things his way”.
I think any player not cutting the mustard will automatically be sidelined and I think he will have carte blanche doing this as he’ll have the support of the executive and importantly, the fans.
Agbonlahor has coaching badges? I’m guessing he passed them with flying colours then, which is why he’s still on talksport.
Also I never thought I’d say this, but can Alan Brazil let him get a word in edge ways or what?
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I bet most of it was under the table too. Maybe buy an island for his brother or mother. A local football club for his dad.
I’m excited by this appointment for a few reasons even though he was not my number one choice. (Mine was potter as I have followed his career somewhat and appreciate his style)
Firstly he sets his team up to attack but will adapt when required.
He will select the players that will buy in to his philosophy/ plan.
He wanted to come here , proven by coming mid season and leaving a team with a 100% win record in the league.
He is young and modern which I like as there will be a hunger and self learning mechanism active rather than a guy who thinks he already knows it all.
I know people say it’s a risk but any appointment is. I would much rather try this bold approach with an up and coming manager than someone who has been around the block and time has passed him by.
Good luck Ruben, give us exciting football and you will go far.
Firstly he sets his team up to attack but will adapt when required.
He will select the players that will buy in to his philosophy/ plan.
He wanted to come here , proven by coming mid season and leaving a team with a 100% win record in the league.
He is young and modern which I like as there will be a hunger and self learning mechanism active rather than a guy who thinks he already knows it all.
I know people say it’s a risk but any appointment is. I would much rather try this bold approach with an up and coming manager than someone who has been around the block and time has passed him by.
Good luck Ruben, give us exciting football and you will go far.
Hopefully he can stick to his tactics and beliefs and not try to be a different manager here.
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I bet most of it was under the table too. Maybe buy an island for his brother or mother. A local football club for his dad.
I feel that it was more likely Saudi league clubs. Portuguese coaches are seemingly highly regarded in the exotic leagues networks.
What I think is probably the most important is that the club implements a style of play right from the youth teams to the first team, to ensure we can select more & more homegrown players and avoid repeated disasters in the transfer market.
I think the term ‘head coach’ is the right move. Finally allocating different disciplines to different people and clearly defining what their roles are. So I would expect our brand new ‘head coach’ finally being properly facilitated with responsibilities taken away so the manager can focus on getting the best results on the pitch. I think this is also very important to get the club back to the top.
I like his honesty. One thing that is for certain is he's got a lot more charisma than the previous manager. Hopefully that helps him with player buy in and navigating the press over here.
That’s us fecked than.
He snobbed Liverpool and come to us while we are in misery. He play attractive football and his biggest strength is his motivational skills, which we need more then anything IMO. He is the right guy to make us competitive again hopefully. But it is way too soon to think about winning the league. We will need to wait a couple of years for that I think.
He would know if the City job was available, considering Viana is taking the City’s sporting director job.
What’s this with Liverpool? I can recall at the time it was reported that he rejected the Scousers, but now pundits are claiming they chose Slot over him.