Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

[flameinthesun]

Slightly better performances, however, coincides with playing some poorer teams Arsenal aside. So hard to judge if its an actual improvement or just the result of an easier run.

 

[JediSith]

The rewards for patience are slowly starting to appear. To be honest the signs were always there even when we were playing badly.

 

[DJ_21]

Slightly better performances, however, coincides with playing some poorer teams Arsenal aside. So hard to judge if it’s an actual improvement or just the result of an easier run.

Sociedad beat us a few months ago and we probably draw to Leicester

 

[Steve 007]

Sociedad beat us a few months ago and we probably draw to Leicester

I think it’s easy to say we had some easy teams but in reality we were the much better team against Arsenal we could have and should have won. Hojilund has been devoid of confidence and Gernacho’s shooting boots deserted him, I’m hoping that yesterday helped the confidence of both players. As for Sociadad we dominated them for the majority of the first leg and were dominant for the whole of the second leg. There’s no reason we can’t fight toe to toe with Man City, Forrest, Lyon and Newcastle. We might not win them all but I’d like to think we’ll show fight and give them all a good game.

 

[romufc]

Slightly better performances, however, coincides with playing some poorer teams Arsenal aside. So hard to judge if its an actual improvement or just the result of an easier run.

The usual responses when we win... "But we should win these games", clearly not been watching this season where we have struggled to beat most teams.

We have had 3 away wins all season, so nothing is a easy run for us.

The fact that we are creating more chances in the last 3 games, shows there is more than slight improvement.

Whilst it is only few games, we need to win like 5/6 in a row before any excitement.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

Better performances recently. Hopefully we keep it up.

 

[Semper Fudge]

There's enough atm to be optimistic about our future under RA, let's enjoy the journey, see where he takes us, one love Mufc

One love, for the times we've cried!

 

[SonOfFergie]

The usual responses when we win... "But we should win these games", clearly not been watching this season where we have struggled to beat most teams.

We have had 3 away wins all season, so nothing is a easy run for us.

The fact that we are creating more chances in the last 3 games, shows there is more than slight improvement.

Whilst it is only few games, we need to win like 5/6 in a row before any excitement.

Lot more cohesion in last few games. System is growing on us. Really excited to see how the team will grow further. As mentioned lots of times already. Give Ruben time. I think he is the one.

 

[flameinthesun]

The usual responses when we win... "But we should win these games", clearly not been watching this season where we have struggled to beat most teams.

We have had 3 away wins all season, so nothing is a easy run for us.

The fact that we are creating more chances in the last 3 games, shows there is more than slight improvement.

Whilst it is only few games, we need to win like 5/6 in a row before any excitement.

Was that the "usual response" when we beat City and Pool...?

There have been good performances, when compared to the run of poor performances, recently. That also coincides with a poor Leicester who are on an even worse run and a Sociedad who are struggling to score. A good performance vs Arsenal, however, the trend under Amorim at United has been good performances when we can sit back and counter, as is also a trend of better performances in the Europa league against poorer opposition. So yeah, decent performances,, but nothing too out of the norm for the general performance from the team under Amorim. Will be interesting to see how the team performs in the next set of fixtures. The confidence should be better, Rasmus and Garnacho have their goals. Lets see if this is an actual change or more of the same.

 

[humdinger]

Goals for Rasmus and Garnacho. Our wingbacks looking a threat. Bruno in God mode. It’s been a fun couple of weeks!

 

[AndyMUFC]

Happy with the results as we needed them but I think he'd even tell you himself not to read too much into them because of the style of play.

We're seeing much more of the low/mid block and counter attacking than earlier in his tenure, and he doesn't want to play that way long term.

 

[The Boy]

He said he didn't want to take over mid season and when he did, he said it would be difficult and unsurprisingly you'd have a very tough period.

Then he had a horrendous run of injuries Mainoo, Mount, Amad (just as he was really getting the system), Shaw, Maguire, Yoro, just as he was really finding his feet as well and now Heaven.

The only thing I can fault Amorim on was the weird falling out with Rashford, as I am comvinced there's a very good player there, which Emery maybe tapping into, but Amorim, ETH and Ole all struggled with.

But over the last few games and in fits and starts before that the players seem to be getting the system and it is beginning to come good. You'll faulter again, everyone does, but as more time goes by it'll keep improving and you'll bounce back quicker. Since the Wolves and Newcastle losses back around Xmas, you've been steadily improving, the Brighton game was a blip in that as was Spurs.

This squad and manager were always too good for relegation and are much better than bottom half of the premier league standard as well.

 

[romufc]

That also coincides with a poor Leicester who are on an even worse run and a Sociedad who are struggling to score.

I mean, do you actually think we are not a poor team and free scoring?

 

[Escobar]

He said he didn't want to take over mid season and when he did, he said it would be difficult and unsurprisingly you'd have a very tough period.

Then he had a horrendous run of injuries Mainoo, Mount, Amad (just as he was really getting the system), Shaw, Maguire, Yoro, just as he was really finding his feet as well and now Heaven.

The only thing I can fault Amorim on was the weird falling out with Rashford, as I am comvinced there's a very good player there, which Emery maybe tapping into, but Amorim, ETH and Ole all struggled with.

But over the last few games and in fits and starts before that the players seem to be getting the system and it is beginning to come good. You'll faulter again, everyone does, but as more time goes by it'll keep improving and you'll bounce back quicker. Since the Wolves and Newcastle losses back around Xmas, you've been steadily improving, the Brighton game was a blip in that as was Spurs.

This squad and manager were always too good for relegation and are much better than bottom half of the premier league standard as well.

What is weird about it? He has been an issue for a long time, both in terms of attitude as well as well as performances. RA is just the first manager to call him out and pushing his standards through

 

[NLunited]

Or vindication that Amorim is a great coach and has managed to get this hopeless lot playing above their level through persistence in his system, tactics and squad management. Big egg on the faces of the bozos who blamed him for every bad thing in the past 3 months like our weak players weren't missing 5 yard passes (which they still did numerous times today) or throwing the ball into their own net. Really just a matter of how you want to spin it.

That would make Ten Hag even more of a genius wouldn’t it?

No, this squad is good enough for 4th-6th place and any less is underperformance.

 

[Remember the geese]

The only thing I can fault Amorim on was the weird falling out with Rashford, as I am comvinced there's a very good player there, which Emery maybe tapping into, but Amorim, ETH and Ole all struggled with.

I very much support Amorim on this. Rashford has really lost his way in terms of attitude and application. He is on a disgusting wage and doesn't come close to justifying it. It was a no brainer to try and move him on.

Also, he isn't exactly lighting it up at Villa.

 

[Remember the geese]

That would make Ten Hag even more of a genius wouldn’t it?

No, this squad is good enough for 4th-6th place and any less is underperformance.

It isn't good enough for the top 4-6. You could make the argument that a fair bulk of the squad is at that level, however, the forwards simply aren't good enough to take you there. We saw that last season too. Without Rashford banging in 30 a season, the squad couldn't compensate.

 

[Mickeza]

That would make Ten Hag even more of a genius wouldn’t it?

No, this squad is good enough for 4th-6th place and any less is underperformance.

How it’s possible for people to look at the current level of our attacking players and think this squad should be 4th is just bewildering to me.

 

[crossy1686]

How it’s possible for people to look at the current level of our attacking players and think this squad should be 4th is just bewildering to me.

The people who were clinging the Ten Hag at the end still haven't got in touch with reality yet. To accept this squad isn't good enough for the top 6 means Ten Hag was indeed horrible at recruitment and they just can't bear that idea.

 

[The Boy]

I very much support Amorim on this. Rashford has really lost his way in terms of attitude and application. He is on a disgusting wage and doesn't come close to justifying it. It was a no brainer to try and move him on.

Also, he isn't exactly lighting it up at Villa.

I agree, I just think it's odd that someone can show so much talent and then just disappear, I would have hoped that Amorim was able to help him rediscover his form. It's too soon to say if Emery can do that or not as I agree he's not been outstanding, but he hasn't been sh1te either.

 

[HTG]

Nice to see that you’re getting some results lately and people on here are getting a bit more optimistic. This place is more fun, when you guys have at least some success.

 

[hellhunter]

The people who were clinging the Ten Hag at the end still haven't got in touch with reality yet. To accept this squad isn't good enough for the top 6 means Ten Hag was indeed horrible at recruitment and they just can't bear that idea.

That's clearly nonsense though, since this line of thought would mean ETH was overperfoming. Can't imagine many people share that opinion

 

[Glorio]

Was that the "usual response" when we beat City and Pool...?

There have been good performances, when compared to the run of poor performances, recently. That also coincides with a poor Leicester who are on an even worse run and a Sociedad who are struggling to score. A good performance vs Arsenal, however, the trend under Amorim at United has been good performances when we can sit back and counter, as is also a trend of better performances in the Europa league against poorer opposition. So yeah, decent performances,, but nothing too out of the norm for the general performance from the team under Amorim. Will be interesting to see how the team performs in the next set of fixtures. The confidence should be better, Rasmus and Garnacho have their goals. Lets see if this is an actual change or more of the same.

See what you're saying, however, the point you make is why recent Leicester and Sociedad results are encouraging for me. Usually under RA, we'd go toe-to-toe with Arsenal and then proceed to drop massive clangers against teams like Leicester and Sociedad where we're expected to take the initiative.

This time we've actually won games we were meant to win and won them by big margins. Let's hope we keep the momentum going after the break.

 

[Nickelodeon]

I agree, I just think it's odd that someone can show so much talent and then just disappear, I would have hoped that Amorim was able to help him rediscover his form. It's too soon to say if Emery can do that or not as I agree he's not been outstanding, but he hasn't been sh1te either.

Please see how our players have fooled the gullible management by giving such performances in the years prior to signing new contracts. Talking about Martial, Rashford or new signings like Sancho. The number of our “internationals” who no longer are considered for their countries is staggering. It’s a cultural thing where people just give up on their reason to play football and enjoy the undeserving wages they get. If there was a single player who symbolises this culture, it is Rashford and I very much applaud Amorim for taking this stand. You can only make a point by going after someone influential.

 

[RedSky]

It's no coincidence that we've looked better after we've been able to actually train the system more after the crazy winter period. We really needed the slow pace of February to help the guys train and learn the system. Patience is required, we'll still have poor results from time to time but we do seem to be improving and there are clear improvements in several players now. We've basically only lost twice in our last 13 games, 3 if you count the loss of Fulham on pens. It's taking a while but we do seem to be breaking past the terrible loss percentages of the ETH era.

 

[hellhunter]

What are you saying is nonsense?

That Hag destroyed the squad through shambolic recruitment? Or that he underperformed in his other duties i.e. coaching us to play shit football and concede 25-30 shots on goal every game?

That people who think this squad is better than 15th didn't get over ETH. Those things are entirely unrelated

 

[Eric's-collar]

I very much support Amorim on this. Rashford has really lost his way in terms of attitude and application. He is on a disgusting wage and doesn't come close to justifying it. It was a no brainer to try and move him on.

Also, he isn't exactly lighting it up at Villa.

Media would disagree, playing like a prime Ronaldo according to some

 

[Remember the geese]

I agree, I just think it's odd that someone can show so much talent and then just disappear, I would have hoped that Amorim was able to help him rediscover his form. It's too soon to say if Emery can do that or not as I agree he's not been outstanding, but he hasn't been sh1te either.

Amorim obviously felt that there was no willing on Rashford's part. The player has to want it. He has to show the right attitude and be open to new ideas. This too, coming at a time where the club are actively trying to reduce costs and are being far more sensible when offering terms to new signings and current players. It just exacerbates the issue.

Not being shite so far for Villa, equates to a player who has no goals in nine appearances in all competitions. A player who earns £350k a week isn't viewed as kindly at United if he's delivering at that rate of productivity. Similarly to Sancho in a sense, 'freedom', means free from consequence or accountability outside of the United pressure cooker.

 

[SoCross]

Goal Keeper - arguably not top 4-6 quality, too inconsistent. Might just about be approaching it though.
Defenders - definitely top 4-6 standard IMO
Midfielders - need more depth in there. Some of the existing players are of good quality but clearly we need a few additions. Might just about be approaching 4-6 standards.
Attackers - mid-table at best?

This is a hasty post, might need to revisit but point is we are by no means a top 4-6 squad.

 

[Gavinb33]

Sociedad beat us a few months ago and we probably draw to Leicester

We've played Leicester 4 times this season and beat them 13-3 on aggregate

 

[flameinthesun]

See what you're saying, however, the point you make is why recent Leicester and Sociedad results are encouraging for me. Usually under RA, we'd go toe-to-toe with Arsenal and then proceed to drop massive clangers against teams like Leicester and Sociedad where we're expected to take the initiative.

This time we've actually won games we were meant to win and won them by big margins. Let's hope we keep the momentum going after the break.

We are unbeaten in Europa league, so a draw and a win vs Sociedad isn't away from the norm there. We also beat Leicester 2 times already this season before this win. Again, not saying that there isn't a reason, albeit small one, for optimism. However, it's not really that different from the norm apart from it being a little run we are on which hopefully is a sign of things improving. I still am sceptical though, the next set of fixtures will tell us a lot.

 

[Mickeza]

That people who think this squad is better than 15th didn't get over ETH. Those things are entirely unrelated

I think everyone agrees the squad is better than 15th. It being the 4th - 6th best squad in the country is where many would disagree. Which of our attacking players are amongst the 4th - 6th best in the league in their respective positions? I’m not convinced any of them are even in the top 8.

 

[Toshey]

Our squad is bottom top 10 level currently.
Major weakness in striker position. Also in fullbacks, it doesn't matter if Dalot pulls off a goal or assist here and there, his overall play is baffling.
We've been far more solid since Dorgu came along and he is hardly a world beater - he just runs a lot and tries to do the basics right.

We are seeing how good our system can be and it's obvious that in some play segments, better players would do wonders.

Next season, with youngsters getting more experience from this season and with full preseason - Add a consistent goalscorer, a better goalkeeper and better fullbacks - we are in top 4.

 

[GBBQ]

Long way from what we want to see our team playing but it seems they are understanding Amorims system a lot more… this is the reward for sticking to what he knows and not changing like everyone wanted.

Sticking to his guns was the sensible thing to do. He might have got a tune out of the squad in a formation that used a more traditional 4 at the back but then it’s just pushing the issue further down the road.

He knows now the areas we need to invest in as a priority versus what will do for now.

The season was a write off before he came so this has just been an extra long audition process for who wants to survive the open heart surgery.

 

[Remember the geese]

Media would disagree, playing like a prime Ronaldo according to some

They tried that rubbish with Sancho too. Both last season and earlier this season.

 

[Sarni]

Sociedad beat us a few months ago and we probably draw to Leicester

We played Sociedad at the right time. They lost 6 of their last 10 league games, dropping outside of top half and playing some generally poor football.

 

[RuudTom83]

The last 3 months looks like this...

Jan
Liverpool - D
Arsenal - W
Southampton - W
Brighton - L
Rangers - W
Fulham - W
FCSB - W

Feb
Palace - L
Leicester - W
Spurs - L
Everton - D
Ipswich - W

Mar
Fulham - L
Sociedad - D
Arsenal - D
Sociedad - W
Leicester - W

4 loses in 17 games doesn't sounds as big of a disaster as everyone would like us to believe. Amorim has remained fairly consistent in his approach and I think we just need to let him do his work and not over react to every bump along the way.

 

[TrivelaDeBruno]

See what you're saying, however, the point you make is why recent Leicester and Sociedad results are encouraging for me. Usually under RA, we'd go toe-to-toe with Arsenal and then proceed to drop massive clangers against teams like Leicester and Sociedad where we're expected to take the initiative.

This time we've actually won games we were meant to win and won them by big margins. Let's hope we keep the momentum going after the break.

That was the case when we got good results against tough opposition under Ole and Ten Hag. Our intangible problems run just as deep as the tangible ones.

 

[DJ_21]

We played Sociedad at the right time. They lost 6 of their last 10 league games, dropping outside of top half and playing some generally poor football.

They also played us at the right time. We couldn’t score goals at home until we smashed them.

 

[zbcrow15]

The last 3 months looks like this...

Jan
Liverpool - D
Arsenal - W
Southampton - W
Brighton - L
Rangers - W
Fulham - W
FCSB - W

Feb
Palace - L
Leicester - W
Spurs - L
Everton - D
Ipswich - W

Mar
Fulham - L
Sociedad - D
Arsenal - D
Sociedad - W
Leicester - W

4 loses in 17 games doesn't sounds as big of a disaster as everyone would like us to believe. Amorim has remained fairly consistent in his approach and I think we just need to let him do his work and not over react to every bump along the way.

See what you did was use facts and common sense in this thread, and it will not be well received.