Neither is the manager, based on his season so far. So it all works out.Just look at that team and bench today. People think it's even top 8 quality
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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It’s not necessarily formation (that’s another debate, I feel). It’s personnel choice.
By virtue of playing a minimum of six defensive players you simply limit yourself by default. Look who is our most free player in attacks in the vast majority of Amorim’s matches — a right footed right back on the left wing. Those same numbers often result in the players who spend the most time on the ball in the buildup routinely being defenders.
By virtue of playing slower players in offensive as the wide attackers who can’t carry the ball or take players individually (well under Amorim they’re “inside no.10s”) you lose the ability to counter.
Whether the players are good enough is debate, but you automatically set yourself up for what you see with how and who he chooses to set up with.
Amorim has, by choice, frequently chosen to play with far more defensive players than attackers ever since he got here.
And sure, he’s now stuck with the players he has at his disposal but he chose to purge the side of any spare attacking options he had and when given the budget to make one signing this window gone he chose another fullback.
Based on the season so far? He's got next to sod all in the squad to choose from week to week. What are you expecting, miracles?
Granted, he doesn't have the galacticos of Fulham, Palace and Everton to call upon.
But if he's as special as many here think, I'd expect the miracle of winning a few more points than what we have under him.
Were the results and football any better when Amad, Martinez among others were available. Nobody said they're expecting miracles but anyone claiming they expected this are blatantly lying.
Apart from Shaw and maybe Mount, he had a fully fit squad when he lost the 4 games in a row.
It's not an "either-or" situation like some want to make it out to be; multiple things can be true at the same time. In my opinion:
- The squad isn't fit for purpose
- The players are underperforming
- Amorim inherited a shit situation
- Amorim is (up to now) underperforming expectations
- It's too early to talk about the sack
- The squad isn't fit for purpose
- The players are underperforming
- Amorim inherited a shit situation
- Amorim is (up to now) underperforming expectations
- It's too early to talk about the sack
Would 10th in the league constitute a miracle in your world?
Team is bad everyone knows that but closer to the championship then the champions League? I don't know. Just accept something radical is happening and has to happen for the benefit of the future. Bringing up Fergie, pep, or klopp is not doing anyone any favors.
But we have seen this team with five defensive players instead of six and it was still pretty much the same. Very little difference. We've struggled to score goals for years.
Mainoo had that impact young players sometimes have in their first year. Hojlund had a seven game spell of scoring.
That's pretty much the difference between last season and this.
Exactly.
Spot on. Multiple things can be true at once to create a disaster, that's what people need to get their head around to avoid the same arguments cropping up. Both the team and coach are chronically underperforming.
This 100%
This manager is clueless
In what context? Are we finishing the season with the squad we currently have as of today because if yes then yes, it would be. If some of the injured players come back and find some form and start picking up wins but it only get's us as high as the dizzying heights of 10th then no, of course finishing 10th for this club isn't okay.
This.
I think that’s all fair.
Very well put
Well said. Short term pain for long term gain, fine, I get it.
Waiving away that form table since he joined and saying Fergie would be in the same boat. Nah mate, that don't fly for me.
I've been supporting him all the time but playing Casemiro and Eriksen today is the limit. It is so shortsided
I knowIt’s hilarious that people can’t answer this very obvious question
For a small club like us, fighting relegation, crossing swords with the mighty Arsenal of London. Here is hoping that we put up a fight and maybe steal a point even though no one gives us a chance. 
2nd against 14th. Anything but a clear win would be a massive embarrassment for Arsenal and Arteta.For a small club like us, fighting relegation, crossing swords with the mighty Arsenal of London. Here is hoping that we put up a fight and maybe steal a point even though no one gives us a chance.
Yet again you have to wonder what him and his coaches are doing with this bunch in training? We couldn't look much more clueless.
True.
He really is the second coming of mourinho isn't he?
Amorim has managed 17 league games by todays end. That will be half of a season games
Just calculate what points he has achieve.
Its not obvious.It’s hilarious that people can’t answer this very obvious question
Madrid lost Benzema. Ballon D'or winner. Next season they scored more goals. I believe you're type of people who could have argued Madrid will collapse collapse without Benzema. Good managers will adapt and try and win more games with what they have
Might as well park the bus. What is this formation?
Really interesting how our players are good enough to get a 1-0 lead against Arsenal, knock them out the FA Cup, get a point at Anfield and win at the Etihad. Maybe the players themselves aren't as bad as the form table under Amorim (17th) suggests.
Not really, we've had a day less to prepare with a long injury list meaning no legs in midfield, can't go toe to toe with Arsenal hence the low block. This shows Ruben's big picture thinking, he's doing his best to balance various competing demands, if we can get out of this unbeaten today it will help build morale going into the Sociedad game.
I suppose adding £100m Bellingham to a team with two of the best young forwards in the world had nothing to do with that improvement.
Just Ancelotti's genius. Strangely couldn't repeat the trick at Everton though.
Mental some of you
To be fair a low block is what Arsenal naturally struggle against, hear as much from the AFTV lot when a result doesn't go their way.
So Salah leaving wont turn them into Everton right?
I dont know how long we can suffer like this. Why wait so long to freshen things up?
Changes it now after they equalise we looked ragged for about 10 mins
Bit disappointed the way he's handled the subs, Eriksen lost his legs 10 minutes before the equaliser. I'd prefer Amorim to be proactive not reactive. Though to be fair regardless how the game finishes there's been decent play today.
Somehow got us to a position where we should have won the game.