Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

[Garethw]

If Rashford is your solution, just admit you’ve out of ideas dude. One of the best things Amorim has done was get rid of him.

I did say that out of desperation to our current situation mate.

I just want it all to click.

I don’t even care about titles. I’ve been lucky enough in my life to see unprecedented success, I just want to see good football now :-(

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

Big clubs don’t tend to have mid table squads.

Well there's people in this thread who think Bruno's the only player who'd get in the Fulham side which is laughable.

Yes, we need better players. Current evidence suggests we likely need a better manager too.

I already see the same posters repeating the previous mistakes. Slag off everyone but the manager and wanting players specifically for the manager brought in before they judge him.

 

[Yoro]

For sure, but I’ll cut Amorim a lot of slack. He was dealt the worst hand possible. The pessimist in me says it’s going to be even worse for many games in the rest of the season.

Dealt the worst possible hand is such a load of bollocks. He's got some good players to work with, far better than the results / performances he's got.

 

[Remember the geese]

Why isn’t it realistic ? Why not try it? Why do the same thing that doesn’t work over and over again? You’re defending something completely illogical.

Because this formation, this system is his baby. He isn't changing. Nor should he. As for Garnacho, Amorim clearly feels that he isn't a fit for the wing-back role. It isn't indicative of anything. He's used attack minded players such as Quenda and Amad in that position.

 

[acnumber9]

Because this formation, this system is his baby. He isn't changing. Nor should he. As for Garnacho, Amorim clearly feels that he isn't a fit for the wing-back role. It isn't indicative of anything. He's used attack minded players such as Quenda and Amad in that position.

He shouldn’t change despite stacking evidence it doesn’t work? A manager unable to change is a manager destined for failure. To his credit, Amorim has achieved that very quickly.

 

[VivaRonaldo85]

It would be be more interesting if Amorim could have access to his squad. I mean it’s no world beating team but it certainly looks like it has some energy and a bit more quality. Binning rashford yet not replacing him was insanity whoever signed that off at the club.

Onana

Yoro
De Light
Martinez

Amad
Ugarte
Mainoo
Shaw

Mount
Bruno

Rashford

Can then bring your lads like Rasmus & Zirzkee off the bench where they should be at this time learning & developing and the likes of Obi wouldn’t be sniffing a squad for another 12 months. It’s just a domino effect of bad things right now.

 

[Sanchez7]

It's bloody difficult watching us play right now. No doubt about it. I am totally behind Amorim as I really do believe he'll get it right with a squad that will support his tactics.

I accept some people won't believe that but whatever side of that debate you're on surely anyone can see we're absolute bare bones at the minute?

The bench today was just abysmal. When Victor Lindelof is one of your best 5 penalty takers then your squad is shit. Hard times, just want this season to end because I don't see it getting better.

I'm in the same boat. Amorim isn't helping it with the results but the squad is genuinely pretty bad. The injuries make the situation far worse. I am of the belief that just 2-3 different players would completely change the make up of the team but Shaw, Mount, Diallo etc. just can't stay fit. Then Dorgu who looked very promising goes and gets sent off just as we start playing well in that game. It is beyond frustrating.

 

[Leftback99]

We were all saying it, because we weren't a million miles away. Top four was the minimum anyone expected this season, and we all expected it despite ETH. You know why? Because we all saw the squad and thought "yeah, decent players".

And yet now "only Bruno gets in Fulham's starting 11". Delusional?! This is what people are saying to (for some reason) defend a coach who has shown NOTHING during his time here.

We're miles better than this.

No we weren't 'all saying it'.

I predicted 8th with this squad and I overrated us/underrated others.

There's nowhere near enough goals in this squad. It's delusional to think otherwise.

 

[Yagami]

We were all saying it, because we weren't a million miles away. Top four was the minimum anyone expected this season, and we all expected it despite ETH. You know why? Because we all saw the squad and thought "yeah, decent players".

Heck no. This season has gone exactly as I, and many others, expected after not sacking ten Hag last season.

 

[NZT-One]

Well there's people in this thread who think Bruno's the only player who'd get in the Fulham side which is laughable.

Yes, we need better players. Current evidence suggests we likely need a better manager too.

I already see the same posters repeating the previous mistakes. Slag off everyone but the manager and wanting players specifically for the manager brought in before they judge him.

But this wasn't what was wrong before. The managers before had way more than just one transfer window. Amorim is here since 3 month. I agree with you, the manager shouldn't be excluded from criticism but criticism that is calling for him to be sacked is a different level, I am sure you will agree on that, wouldn't you?

This right now isn't just Amorim failing with his system. It is failing with a new system and with multiple players from the starting lineup being out injured while players that are expected to contribute like Rashford and Antony were so off, that they had to be loaned out. The players have to be criticized and as said in another post, we don't fail right now because we aren't able to perform some crazy exotic 3-4-3 magic, we fail because we get outrun and outworked and concede from setpieces and individual blunders.

This is not even taking a stance for Amorim - it is a reminder of "who the feck are we supposed to bring in?"

 

[NLunited]

I have no doubt that if we sack him and he ends up at a Leverkusen, Inter or Atalanta he will do well. Picking up a squad built for 3-4-3, but our team isn't at all.

My concern is, we are skint. To make this system work, we need a lot of specialist players and because of our performance in the league and cup, that money is reducing by the day.

So realistically, how can this improve? We've seen that it won't work with what we have, and our financial state is dire. If he can't improve the current players in his system, and he won't change it, it's not exactly looking optimistic.

I'd like it to work, but unless we strike gold and get a new squad, I'm struggling to see it.

It‘s not the system or the formation. These players have performed poorly in different systems and under different managers.

Ten Hag and Amorim have tried everything. Something is not working and I‘d love to tell you what it is, but no one knows.

All we can do is keep trying and keep improving the squad.

 

[The Irish Connection]

Just my two cents but I’d give him the Europa league and if he fails in that I’d sack him late April early May.
We’ve regressed under him. He can’t seem to coach set pieces or get his set piece coach to improve us. His subs are odd a lot of the time. I thought Yoro was playing well, unless he was injured.
Signing five or six players won’t improve us on set piece defending. We are the worst in the league at defending set pieces along with Southampton.
You have to see a bit of a bounce with a new manager. Look at Villa, or now Everton etc.
It’s a shame because I like him but you can’t be so rigid tactically.
Hope I’m wrong but I don’t see it with him.

 

[Bebe]

We're simply not a squad that could afford to lose mainoo, amad and Martinez. There's so little ability on the ball and to play at pace left in the squad.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

He’s absolutely stinking the place out with his insistence on stacking his team full of defenders, and even his own new “wingback” seems about as exciting as watching paint dry.
But some of you think if he gets another Dorgu and a forward we’ll suddenly be miles better? Deluded.

Honestly don’t think we could’ve made a worse appointment than this stubborn, inflexible “truth speaker”.

 

[In Rainbows]

Well there's people in this thread who think Bruno's the only player who'd get in the Fulham side which is laughable.

Yes, we need better players. Current evidence suggests we likely need a better manager too.

I already see the same posters repeating the previous mistakes. Slag off everyone but the manager and wanting players specifically for the manager brought in before they judge him.

Well the last point has a scale. There's a difference between having the opinion that the manager needs 1 summer window to be judged on, and with posters wanting a full squad of his players (made up of 2-3 summer windows) to judge him by. The former is still a short leash, while the latter is something no other club, but ours tends to do. I think the former is reasonable, and the latter is blind manager faith that this forum and many of the club's fans have repeated over the years.

 

[Maluco]

Better attacking talent will certainly help. However, they still occupy too few slots on the pitch. Aside from a striker, it’s not guaranteed that we will have more than one more natural forward player on the pitch at any time. The rest are midfielders and defenders.

He needs better profiles for those wide players and for individuals to understand how their movement will exploit other teams and drag them out of position.

It’s a big adjustment for some, but I really think it will work with better movement and more threatening attackers.

I really believe, if he has a summer to coach this, that it will click. When it eventually clicked at Sporting, it really clicked.

 

[TheNewEra]

He needs better profiles for those wide players and for individuals to understand how their movement will exploit other teams and drag them out of position.

It’s a big adjustment for some, but I really think it will work with better movement and more threatening attackers.

I really believe, if he has a summer to coach this, that it will click. When it eventually clicked at Sporting, it really clicked.

100% no coach can get us out of this shit it's a recruitment problem that needs windows to fix.

 

[Brand Nubian]

Amorim is cooked unfortunately. Wilcox, the only football person in this great new structure after Ashwords sacking, most likely has had enough. Berrada will try and stick with Ruben to save his own ass but more results like these and Brailsford and Jimmy Brexit will sack Berrada on top of sacking Ruben. Vivell has no say in this decision.

 

[ryansgirl]

He’s absolutely stinking the place out with his insistence on stacking his team full of defenders, and even his own new “wingback” seems about as exciting as watching paint dry.
But some of you think if he gets another Dorgu and a forward we’ll suddenly be miles better? Deluded.

Honestly don’t think we could’ve made a worse appointment than this stubborn, inflexible “truth speaker”.

What is going on here is the patience game. United`s not likely to do anything successful in the near future except avoid relegation. The impatience post Ferguson was understandable when it was Moyes, he was too small minded for the big Manchester United picture but now after all the managerial sackings there has to be a period of wait and see at the club. The days of United playing attractive, attacking football and buying players who aren`t big names but turn out to be title winners and European Cup winners are gone.

If Louis Van Gaal had been given time, I think he would have prioritised attacking football but he was gone too soon. The old paradigm is gone, there should be a halt to the new paradigm of managerial musical chairs for enough time to see Amorim make some inroads into United`s playing problems. The kind of rebuilding needed is one of having to experiment, test the squad`s ability to adapt until new players can be brought in and it won`t be exciting or fun to watch but without it, it will be just another manager and the same old same old.

 

[Big Ben Foster]

Amorim is cooked unfortunately. Wilcox, the only football person in this great new structure after Ashwords sacking, most likely has had enough. Berrada will try and stick with Ruben to save his own ass but more results like these and Brailsford and Jimmy Brexit will sack Berrada on top of sacking Ruben. Vivell has no say in this decision.

Wouldn't surprise me if this were the case. When Wilcox was temporarily in charge at the end of last season (before the others started their jobs), he was the loudest voice in favor of developing a top-down "game model" throughout the club, which we've seemingly abandoned since the others came in.

 

[ryansgirl]

Amorim is cooked unfortunately. Wilcox, the only football person in this great new structure after Ashwords sacking, most likely has had enough. Berrada will try and stick with Ruben to save his own ass but more results like these and Brailsford and Jimmy Brexit will sack Berrada on top of sacking Ruben. Vivell has no say in this decision.

And who do you think will be brought in to replace Ruben?

 

[matherto]

Genuine question but can we recall the likes of Sancho from his loan purely on the basis of numbers?

 

[TheNewEra]

Genuine question but can we recall the likes of Sancho from his loan purely on the basis of numbers?

Why? So he can stink out the place, not our problem anymore

 

[Marcus]

Although I am losing confidence in his abilities, we must not fall into the temptation of changing manager before he has had a chance to have a pre-season and bring in suitable candidates. If he is getting absolutely nowhere by Dec 2025, then maybe we can consider playing low-block counter-attacking football to stabilise things. In which case, getting Rashford back and buying players suited to this style is preferred. Then we can go down the Southgate route. After all, this brand of football is not crazy hard to coach? We may need to learn to crawl properly again before dreaming of running.

 

[AndyMUFC]

He's been handed an absolute shitshow and been thrown under the bus by those above him. The attacking options he's got are woeful.

Eventually he's going to pay with his job if these results continue but the new regime are the main culprits for this.

 

[Tallis]

It would be be more interesting if Amorim could have access to his squad. I mean it’s no world beating team but it certainly looks like it has some energy and a bit more quality. Binning rashford yet not replacing him was insanity whoever signed that off at the club.

Onana

Yoro
De Light
Martinez

Amad
Ugarte
Mainoo
Shaw

Mount
Bruno

Rashford

Can then bring your lads like Rasmus & Zirzkee off the bench where they should be at this time learning & developing and the likes of Obi wouldn’t be sniffing a squad for another 12 months. It’s just a domino effect of bad things right now.

Yup - we are missing about 5 starter quality players at the moment due to injury. Add the 4 who have been banished / loaned. Imagine if we had the 5 back and decent replacement for the 3 we have loaned.

 

[Kingdingaling]

Sell whoever it takes to get the £15M required to pay him out, it’s the best money we can spend at this moment in time. He’s completely out of depth and it’s genuinely best for everyone to call this appointment what it is, an absolute failure.

 

[Remember the geese]

He shouldn’t change despite stacking evidence it doesn’t work? A manager unable to change is a manager destined for failure. To his credit, Amorim has achieved that very quickly.

Stacking evidence? We haven't seen Amorim's system with players who all fit the correct profiles. He's making do. We will acquire several players in the summer, who will fit like a glove. This will help greatly.

Amorim doesn't change. We have always known this. Let's not pretend that this is new information. We support his idea and give him the time and opportunity to put it into practice. Not judge him by the scraps he has inherited.

 

[Remember the geese]

even his own new “wingback” seems about as exciting as watching paint dry.

This attitude is appalling and is representative of much of the nonsense that you see on here.

 

[Kingdingaling]

The arrogance of a manager of 5 years to stick to his ‘winning principles’ in the face of such obvious evidence to the contrary is nauseating.

He won the Portuguese league and now acts like he has some long standing, unbreakable formula which he cannot deviate from. He’s deluded.

This club shouldn’t be one man’s ego trip.

 

[croadyman]

I fear he doesn't get the time if we get knocked out of Europa League in next two rounds. Could see the players dropping completely with nothing to play for.

 

[Pscholes18]

You lot would of had Fergie sacked after his first season. No manager will be good enough because of the dross on the pitch. Pep wouldn't win with these players. Stick with Amorim, get a few more of the players he needs in, we will come good.

 

[gaffs]

You lot would of had Fergie sacked after his first season. No manager will be good enough because of the dross on the pitch. Pep wouldn't win with these players. Stick with Amorim, get a few more of the players he needs in, we will come good.

Totally agree with you.

BUT......

Do you think he has this team setup in the best possible way to win now?

Do you think that in any way the 5221 / 3421 or whatever, is helping the players he has today?

 

[gaffs]

Genuine question but can we recall the likes of Sancho from his loan purely on the basis of numbers?

Just who we need. A player of real character.

 

[Big Ben Foster]

You lot would of had Fergie sacked after his first season. No manager will be good enough because of the dross on the pitch. Pep wouldn't win with these players. Stick with Amorim, get a few more of the players he needs in, we will come good.

The same Fergie who took the club from 21st to 11th in his first season, and then 2nd in his first full season?

 

[sdb4884]

I've lost all faith in him but it doesn't mean he can't turns things around next season. It would be madness to sack him and fork out another 14m. He has definitely contributed to our fall to the depths of the table.

 

[foolsgold]

Hasn't had a chance, squad is ravaged by injury. Needs to be given time.

 

[gaffs]

Just my two cents but I’d give him the Europa league and if he fails in that I’d sack him late April early May.
We’ve regressed under him. He can’t seem to coach set pieces or get his set piece coach to improve us. His subs are odd a lot of the time. I thought Yoro was playing well, unless he was injured.
Signing five or six players won’t improve us on set piece defending. We are the worst in the league at defending set pieces along with Southampton.
You have to see a bit of a bounce with a new manager. Look at Villa, or now Everton etc.
It’s a shame because I like him but you can’t be so rigid tactically.
Hope I’m wrong but I don’t see it with him.

He is not getting sacked, regardless of the Europa League result.

It is so simplistic for people to say "You have to see a bit of a bounce with a new manager. Look at Villa, or now Everton etc."

Im kind of sick of that basic "TalkSport" argument because every situation is different.

Perhaps in the case of Villa and Everton, the manager was the issue, so bringing in a new one creates that bounce. In the case of Villa, a change from Gerrard to Emery is a massive step up in pedigree.

Maybe Ten Hag was getting the best anyone could out of a limited United squad. So bringing in a new manager in this case has not created the bounce you speak of.

I do agree re lack of willingness to change his formation/system to the players he has, but we all know that others have done the same and its not worked.

To sack a manager, who has just been ground in 4 months ago at great cost, and to expect a new one to do better with this crappy squad, is just madness.

 

[Brand Nubian]

And who do you think will be brought in to replace Ruben?

No clue Ryan, and Im afraid its not about manager (or head coach) anymore.

It really looked to me like INEOS had started the right way - putting qualiffied footballing structure togheter.

Turns out the person capable of making a funcioning football operations (Ashword) was sacked within few months, an under qualiffied Berrada taking over criticall sporting desicions, with Brailsford/Jimmy Brexit with no clue about football making final decisions. Talented people like Vivell also brought in but with very little say in the whole operation.

That said, INEOS have taken on such a mess that even with 100% sucess of their decisions, the club would still be a mess today, with little chance to get out of difficult situation Glazers have put the club into.

Would have kept RVN for as long as his "bounce" had been working. Same with McKenna, should have been kept. Now? No idea, there is going to be pretty hard decisions to be made sooner rather than later.

 

[gaffs]

No clue Ryan, and Im afraid its not about manager (or head coach) anymore.

It really looked to me like INEOS had started the right way - putting qualiffied footballing structure togheter.

Turns out the person capable of making a funcioning football operations (Ashword) was sacked within few months, an under qualiffied Berrada taking over criticall sporting desicions, with Brailsford/Jimmy Brexit with no clue about football making final decisions. Talented people like Vivell also brought in but with very little say in the whole operation.

That said, INEOS have taken on such a mess that even with 100% sucess of their decisions, the club would still be a mess today, with little chance to get out of difficult situation Glazers have put the club into.

Would have kept RVN for as long as his "bounce" had been working. Same with McKenna, should have been kept. Now? No idea, there is going to be pretty hard decisions to be made sooner rather than later.

Ashworth went hunting for a new manager while Ten Hag was still in place and before the FA Cup final. And it leeked.
He decided that keeping Ten Hag was the right thing to do, despite him being underminded. He then backed him with over 200mil of players inc two of his former Ajax player and another Dutch flop in Zirkzee.
When Ten Hag was sacked he came up with the most vanilla of names, including Southgate.
Went on holiday the day after Amorim came in.

All sackable offences, imo.