What are you on about here? Ten Hag signed or promoted 80-90% of the squad he had last season. His whole plan from the very beginning was transitional football. Way back during his first season he said:
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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What are you on about here? Ten Hag signed or promoted 80-90% of the squad he had last season. His whole plan from the very beginning was transitional football. Way back during his first season he said:
I dont see a reason Dorgu could play as a "standard" left back, or at right wing, where he played a lot for Lecce.
He is not a wing back and wing back only.
yeah it is a much better transfer policy. A lot of anti ineos sentiment gives the lay offs but, specifically, transfers, we have yet to massively 'overpay' unless Yoro truns out to be a real dud (which I don't think he will). Even the guys struggling, Hojlund, Zirkzee, can fetch decent fees because of their age. In the past, Hojlund would have been like Cavani, one decent season and then just nothing, whereas at least now if the club wants him out there are two decent fees there.
Back 4, but my point is he's so young and versatile that I'd assume there are several options for him. He's not just strictly a "I only know how to play well in a wingback spot" type player.
I don't know. I'm trying to figure out what Sporting did, to be able to discern what Amorim is trying to do now. https://breakingthelines.com/tactical-analysis/how-ruben-amorim-turned-sporting-into-a-powerhouse/ . Seems it requires a lot of "studs on the ball" to force the press, in order to open up space, which then results in a lot of sideways possession. Maybe that's the blueprint, I don't know. Liverpool apparently didn't want Amorim because of the "style" of football he played, and we've seen Liverpool be attack minded and vertical, so maybe it's 2+2 = 5.
From what I read it was because he was so wedded to the 343 formation. Whether or not they didn't like that lack of flexibility or they were just determined to stick with Klopp's 433 I dont' know.
It seemed to be they thought they would need to much investment to then reshape the squad when they already have such a strong spine for 433.
We need open heart surgery so it’s fine, but for them it’s a superfluous cost.
Well it may have been what he wanted to do, but the players he promoted and brought in couldn’t actually do it.
Quality players can play multiple positions.
I'm sorry, but if that's the idea, we're most likely fecked (again).
It shouldn't be his recruits.
United should have a recruitment plan. Not Amorim. He shouldn't have a recruitment plan, that should not be a part of his job.
He's a coach, his job should be to get the best out of the options available to him.
(Yes, yes - it would be idiotic not to consult the coach on incoming transfers...and so forth. But surely - er...surely - we now agree that it would be spectacularly stupid to yet again let yet another "manager" build a team as if he were Fergie.)
There's two positive for me.
1) Amorim has a way he wants to play and is not willing to compromise. I think unless you have a prime Messi, Ronaldo, Mbappe, Salah level player who doesn't suit your system then this is the right way.
2) Dorgu; quick, strong, good engine, good technical base, young left footed wingback. We knew the profile and we got it. You can see the difference between him on the left and Dalot who is not the right profile to play this system. If we keep identifying the right fit all over the pitch and it looks like Amorim knows from his time utilizing this system what works, soon we'll have a team that can play coherent football and execute Amorim's vision.
It's kind of like how Pep knows who's good for Pep ball and Klopp knew who's good for gengen press.
This is going to be crucial.
1) Amorim has a way he wants to play and is not willing to compromise. I think unless you have a prime Messi, Ronaldo, Mbappe, Salah level player who doesn't suit your system then this is the right way.
2) Dorgu; quick, strong, good engine, good technical base, young left footed wingback. We knew the profile and we got it. You can see the difference between him on the left and Dalot who is not the right profile to play this system. If we keep identifying the right fit all over the pitch and it looks like Amorim knows from his time utilizing this system what works, soon we'll have a team that can play coherent football and execute Amorim's vision.
It's kind of like how Pep knows who's good for Pep ball and Klopp knew who's good for gengen press.
This is going to be crucial.
fair enough.
I don't disagree that Amorim's system isn't perfectly tailored to his game, because really, he isn't a 10 in the mould that Amorim wants. hence we've seen moments where the LWB cuts inside to allow Garnacho the width he prefers. the fact his end product has completely died a death, despite still having a number of big chances post Amorim, does show that his finishing isn't brilliant. yes he got a few goals last season but his end product is still inconsistent, which can happen with young players. hopefully he can continue to learn the system better and improve next year, if he isn't sold.
I agree he is a better classic LW. The hope I guess is as long as we sack off the inverted WB stuff, Dorgu looks a willing overlapper.
Thank you, it’s a joy to see that someone else gets it mate. Ratcliffe said himself publicly that we will have an identity and United way of playing implemented and then the head coach coaches the squad whilst the footballing decisions are made by the footballing structure and players are identified and brought in by a combination of the scouting and recruitment team after approval by the sporting director to its in sync with the footballing identity.
At United though we bring coach after coach in and every one of them with a different system and tactical set up yet allow them to bring in players they want or that the CEO wants then when the next coach comes in we need an overhaul because the existing players don’t fit the new coaches way of playing.
This is why Ashworth was important as whilst not a tactical genius he would have implemented the structure properly so we had continuity going forward and everyone knew their role whilst all working together in harmony rather than the clusterfeck it is, Ashworth may not have been the one that took us back to the top but he would have been perfect in laying the foundations so we could walk before we could run.
That ain't happening again any time soon.
Well if that were true then that's on Ten Hag not the players.
But the truth is his plan between Summer 2023 and October 2024 was so nonsensical that it probably wouldn't have worked with just about any set of players.
We can only hope that we aren't giving yet another manager the keys to the kingdom and letting them identify the targets.
I'm also sick of seeing that phrase.
Yep and I'd say most people who say don't even know what Ralf actually meant by it.
I don't think Ralph did either. How did he expect open heart surgery on a team that had the vast majority of it's players on ridiculous wages?
1) Is true for almost every top manager.
2) Dorgu seems promising but wasn't he a club signing which Amorim only approved?
Not much at all to be impressed about, not least if he plays 3 CBs against Ipswich and they press us into oblivion. We would have been further ahead if we opted for Frank and Ashworth, imho. Amorim was a huge gamble at a time when we needed to play safe.
If I remember correctly he was simply referring to the high number of players we were losing that summer who's contracts were running out that needed replaced.
As opposed to many people erroniously coming to believe he was suggesting selling the entire squad and buying a new one. Which ironically Ten Hag basically ended up doing anyway.
He said it was what was needed and he wasn't wrong, he didn't say how it could or would be done
We had open heart surgery. It cost 600 million. And as a result, now we are 15th.
Are you suggesting he meant actual surgery on the players? i know some of them don't have enough stamina and others dont have enough "heart" but cmon.
Berrada was never a CEO at Man City.what?
He was Man City’s CEO
They're better only in that the jobs they're being asked to do are jobs they can do. Our players are being asked to do things that are unusual for them or difficult for them to do.