If it continues for much longer? We have 6 wins in 8! I’d rather it continue like this
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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Exactly when he joined we were 4 points off 4th place if I am not mistaken, since then we have lost at home against Palace, Bournemouth, Newcastle, Forest. People would have been okay we were languishing between 5 to 8 places. But we are just above relegation zone in 13th and may become 15th if Spurs and Everton win. Which is shocking for any manutd team. I think his cup runs have actually saved his skin a little, the pressure on him would be immense if we were knocked out of Fa cup and Europa league aswell.
Of course you can. You can win a title or tie without winning the match(es).
If the Arsenal 1-1 result, extra time, and penalties outcome had been exactly the same, BUT the game was the second in a two-legged tie (the first game also being a 1-1 draw) nobody would have any issue saying it was a draw.
Eh? The penalties were part of the match - we won the shootout, ergo we beat Arsenal. That's why they're not in the cup anymore.
But regardless of any semantics, any United fan using the 'draw' against Arsenal as something negative against Amorim, especially given the overall performance, and that we played with 10 men for an hour, is not displaying a fair-minded approach.
Technically and officially penalties aren't part of the actual matches. They are a way to get a decision if there was a draw.
This is also why the result of the penalty shootout isn't part of any goalscoring stats etc.
You drew the match, but won the penalties.
You are in danger of reinforcing national stereotypes with your punctilious approach to rules and regulations
We are football fans not fecking statisticians - anyone suggesting that they view that game as a draw has an odd way of looking at things.
Apologies if it's been discussed but my understanding on his system was that the two 10s tucked in with the wingbacks marauding down to provide overlap. He is insisting on having wing backs that invert (Play on opposite foot) to pack out the midfield, is this because Amad/ Garnacho etc are seen more as wide players and he then expects them to create the width with the wingbacks tucking in to create the numbers there?
It doesn't seem to work if so as the wingbacks don't have the technicality or retention of the ball to play centrally, can anyone explain what he is trying to do? Genuinely curious how others see it, one thing I do like is how the CBs (At times) press up behind our #6 line and attack the ball, did it very well vs Arsenal & Liverpool.
It doesn't seem to work if so as the wingbacks don't have the technicality or retention of the ball to play centrally, can anyone explain what he is trying to do? Genuinely curious how others see it, one thing I do like is how the CBs (At times) press up behind our #6 line and attack the ball, did it very well vs Arsenal & Liverpool.
Penalties are no counted as part of the match they are seperate, thats why if you get a yellow card during normal time or extra time then get another during the penalty shootout you dont get a red.
For the third time, I don't care about what things count as in terms of recording stats.
If Arsenal had knocked United out in the same way and I was on here trying to claim it as a good result for Ruben Amorim (a draw away at the Emirates!) I would be rightfully laughed off the forum.
Amorim likes at least one inverted wing back. Theoretically it could offer more midfield protection and different options in attack.
Dalot and Mazraoui can do this, and probably Drogu as well? Amad is physical enough to help out in midfield as well, and has good ball retention.
As for cb‘s stepping in: we haven‘t done this consistently under Amorim, as we haven‘t under Ten Hag.
Amorim‘s biggest problems aren‘t new problems: they were there before. Toothless attack, lack of consistency in:
-playing through the press
-pressing
-proactive defending in midfield
Amorim isn‘t tinkering, he‘s rotating which is good. What‘s the point of tinkering if we aren‘t doing the basics most games?
He may well start trying out different things now to save his job.
Dalot and Mazraoui can do this, and probably Drogu as well? Amad is physical enough to help out in midfield as well, and has good ball retention.
As for cb‘s stepping in: we haven‘t done this consistently under Amorim, as we haven‘t under Ten Hag.
Amorim‘s biggest problems aren‘t new problems: they were there before. Toothless attack, lack of consistency in:
-playing through the press
-pressing
-proactive defending in midfield
Amorim isn‘t tinkering, he‘s rotating which is good. What‘s the point of tinkering if we aren‘t doing the basics most games?
He may well start trying out different things now to save his job.
I‘m tempted to egg this on but honestly this is a tedious argument.
United fans shitting on an away win at the Emirates in order to ensure that Amorim doesn't get any credit for it is a sad state of affairs...
Does he really deserve much credit for it when Arsenal's woeful finishing (26 shots but only 7 on target) was the main reason we managed get to penalties?
When the team is struggling this much it means we have to have experienced reinforcement in 2-3 positions to arrest the fall. Cannot rely upon young potential to challenge the well settled PL teams.
Hope coming summer transfer will address the issue.
Hope coming summer transfer will address the issue.
do you remember how many men we had on the pitch for the last hour?
It was a well earned cup win by hard work, nothing wrong with that.
I do what I canYou are in danger of reinforcing national stereotypes with your punctilious approach to rules and regulations
I really don't see it as giving Amorim no credit. Getting that draw away with ten players is a great result, and having a team that still has players who can focus and concentrate enough to pull off a win in penalties is not easy.
Yeah as you say I think it started with getting Garnacho wider which was a good tactical adjustment. Subsequently he's then added the same on the right to get Amad running at players, it hasn't worked quite so well as teams are putting numbers on Amad so there's less space. It's probably just acknowledging that some of them aren't able to do those wing back outside runs.
Our attack is just going to be disjointed until we get a striker in that provides a threat. Our two 10s should be running in behind or feeding the striker but that just doesn't work with Hojlund and Zirkzee.
Indeed over the years the myth has grown that Ralf suggested binning the whole squad. When as you say he was only referring to bringing players in.
Not necessarily no. If he thinks the best chance of him succeeding at United long term is to stick to his formation and ride it out in the hope the players click and teams performances turn a corner.
Then that's what he'll do. Because he'll think that's what's best for his own career.
And this differs from any other manager in what way?
fair playI do what I can
I really don't see it as giving Amorim no credit. Getting that draw away with ten players is a great result, and having a team that still has players who can focus and concentrate enough to pull off a win in penalties is not easy.
In the context that the comment was originally made it was definitely said as a negative against Amorim, but hopefully that view is in the minority.
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He used Antony as wingback vs city. It looked promising but he never even continue to try it not even when we played vs the lesser teams.
I think ‘Rusholme Ruffian’ (Great name btw!) is ’admirably sticking up for Amorim and most fans are not saying he should be sacked, far from it we just want him to settle down on and off the pitch and then the team might as you quite rightly point out show some consistency, however he’s clearly not taking his meds if he thinks the football at old Trafford under Amorim is good and a big improvement from ETH, it’s simply not better, it’s actually worse, because like you point out, we should at worst be drawing these games at home.
All of the key stats;
Points per game, goals scored per game, goals conceded per game are all worse than ETH stats while he was Man United coach, that shows a decline not an improvement?
I have no issue with style if it is effective and or entertaining. So far we’re seeing neither so if this is the style, we’re fecked.
Tell me what’s so different. I’m keen to learn from an expert.
The problem with that tactic as well is it means those two wingbacks that tuck in are just cramping that space and naturally defend more which forces the whole shape to be so deep and defensive - I do wonder what the average positions of our players would be vs his Sporting side.
so is it an improvement or not?
Overall we are worse then under Ten Hag. We are getting less points and are less entertaining.
Plus points for Amorim: fecking off Rashford and he wants more controlled football.
Plus points for Amorim: fecking off Rashford and he wants more controlled football.
Is it really an improvement if you ship more goals than before?
One came in just before the most busy point of the season and is at the very start of implementing his system.
The other was 2 and a bit seasons down the line of implementing his ideas to his squad that he had been backed to the tune of 600m to assemble.
It's a bit different.
We shipped 7 in one game against Liverpool under Ten Hag...
These Ten Hag cultists trying to compare the two is just utterly ridiculous.The Dutchies on here are loving the fact that it's not been great so far under the new manager.
And? The fact Amorim managed to ship more despite that is a good sign?
The point is: Can we see progression over time? We did not with ETH. We performed worse over time. Time will tell with Amorim, but it is pointless to argue over this now. Give him a pre-season with the summer transfer window and next season. Anyway, Im confident he will do much better than ETH. At least Amorim follow his principels which led to sucsess with Sporting
I must have missed the Liverpool game where we shipped 8 under Amorim?
The Dutchies on here are loving the fact that it's not been great so far under the new manager.
Tell me about it, talking as if Ten Hag was playing some beautiful football. We went into games thinking how many by will we lose rather than if.
How are fans already writing of the manager who has been here for 3 months?
What a pointless post
Look at the some of the easy chances Arsenal wasted in the game with poor finishing, with better finishing they could easilly have had 2 or 3 more goals so to say it was a well earned win isnt quite true.