Why do you go on about interpretation a lot? Weird flex
There are many who say he should change system clearly, Ole-ball though? Eh?
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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There are many who say he should change system clearly, Ole-ball though? Eh?
Anyone who said we were worse under Amorim have certainly forgot how shit we are under ten Hag.
ETH in game management was so bad if we went behind, I 99% sure we wont get back in the game.
For what it's worth Amorim went to Anfield and took it like a champ, almost winning that game. Ten Hag got pumped 7 fecking 0 which still the worst United defeat against Liverpool. He should be sacked for that result alone
ETH in game management was so bad if we went behind, I 99% sure we wont get back in the game.
For what it's worth Amorim went to Anfield and took it like a champ, almost winning that game. Ten Hag got pumped 7 fecking 0 which still the worst United defeat against Liverpool. He should be sacked for that result alone
For all our current faults, the in-game management and substitutions have improved tremendously since ETH was sacked. Obviously there's still room for improvement, but still, a breath of fresh air.
Some of us enjoy having actual discussions in here without having to put up with reductive cliches and straw men over and over.
Now we dont have a fraud calling the shots. He might not work in the end, it is a possibility. But he has a clear vision, knows how to coach, know how to read a game, knows what is needed to move forward. But yes, the results may not come, there is a big chance for that to happen.
Maybe just maybe, when people are here suggesting Amorim should improve things or work with what he's got, there's a more complex reasons why he isn't which is being discussed.
Oh wait you ain't enjoying that...You want to interpret, okay...
I'm struggling with this. His in-game management is really good. It doesn't always come off, but he often manages to change momentum and sometimes results with his subs and adaptions.
Only to start with the same nonsense in the next match so that he has to fix it during the game again
Yep, more often than not it hasn't benefitted us to write off a season. We're basically Sisyphus pushing the rock up the hill hoping it'll be plain sailing once we get over the hill. But from Moyes to Ten Hag the bastard always rools back down and straight over us.
I'm still reserving judgement on Amorim but it is concerning that we still haven't seen much improvement thus far, arguably the opposite if anything.
The actual discussion, with nuanced takes on both sides? Yes, I actually am enjoying that, otherwise I wouldn't bother trying to keep up with this thread.
We've just spent £600m bring the majority of these guys in and the club is skint. So most if not all of the players we have right now will be here next season.
A sensible opinion amongst a sea of the same old ''give him a summer window and till Xmas next season and see how he's doing.''
Yup, this is the 2000lb gorilla in the room at the moment. With smart recruitment and player sales, we can make some incremental improvements to the squad this summer, but there will be no overhaul as some fans are expecting.
Is this 2000lb gorilla quick?
No but I reckon he can cope with the physicality of the PL
Remember those days when we all clamour for the Young attacking manager?
Eth won the league with Ajax, showed some good attacking football, comes to us and becomes a schadenfreude. Happens too often in the past 10 years.
There's really no guarantee Amorim can handle the pressure. He won in Portugal, which is a different weight class compared to the EPL where most team can field a squad better than anything Portugal League has to offer.
Eth won the league with Ajax, showed some good attacking football, comes to us and becomes a schadenfreude. Happens too often in the past 10 years.
There's really no guarantee Amorim can handle the pressure. He won in Portugal, which is a different weight class compared to the EPL where most team can field a squad better than anything Portugal League has to offer.
Sign him up.
I think we did the right thing in appointing Amorim as soon as possible, rather than waiting for the Summer. A lot of opinions here are that we should have waited to give him the summer to implement his system. I don’t think that would have been nearly enough time to get him to know the players, and evaluate tactics. Now he do have that time, and he will know going into the Summer what needs to get it done. This season was already a near write-off when he joined.
Going back to what Ragnick said, we need open heart surgery, and that is not done over a short Summer where most of the training is for fitness, not tactics. Remember when Ten Hag joined? He tried to play modern football, and we got destroyed in the first few games. He changed back to Ole ball, and we did alright. Issue is that Ole ball can easily deliver good results, but not great. We need to get on a path towards greatness. Amorim seems to want to do the hard work to get us there. But we will need to give him and the system time.
Going back to what Ragnick said, we need open heart surgery, and that is not done over a short Summer where most of the training is for fitness, not tactics. Remember when Ten Hag joined? He tried to play modern football, and we got destroyed in the first few games. He changed back to Ole ball, and we did alright. Issue is that Ole ball can easily deliver good results, but not great. We need to get on a path towards greatness. Amorim seems to want to do the hard work to get us there. But we will need to give him and the system time.
No one is questioning whether Slot can handle the pressure, and look where he's come from. Liverpool hired Klopp, stuck to his principles, did really good recruitment to his style, and now Slot's seamlessly come in and it's made his job easier (even though he's slightly different to Klopp)
We were hoping for footballing people, we got INEOS who brought them in, they just as important as Amorim to get it right. Recruitment and philosophy wise is massive, only way we'll succeed with Amorim, or any manager is that they get it right. The question is, can the footballing people at the top handle the pressure too
Bingo. If Amorim is to succeed, he is to succeed with this squad.
Or to put it more precisely, he needs to improve the level of the team incrementally by managing, with the necessary help of improvements through squad building. Buying a whole new squad or large parts of it is just not a thing, at least not short to medium term.
If his is reasonably successful short term (within realistic expectations taking the status quo of the squad into account), he can then be more successful long term as the squad is improved by and by.
And then, maybe, after like 5 years you can suddenly say, oh ok this is now a completely different team also in terms of personnel, it's Amorim's team. That's what is was like with Klopp. His biggest successes (in terms of trophies) only came after massive reshaping/improvement of the squad, but the way to there was incremental, steady success and improvement of the present squad, not "suffering" while "performing open heart surgery".
They dont fill me with confidence. They bought Zirkzee after all and dithered with ETH
And Amorim is a very risky appointment. His 343 is rather different and if it doesnt work we'll be left with a very unorthodox squad composition.
They (imho) should just set 4321 or whatever the most common cookie cutter formation and pick the best manager available that plays similar formation. Even if he fails the next manager dont have to start from scratch again. That and buy the players that suits the main tactics.
Does anyone know if our reserves / academy teams have started adopting a system similar to Amorim's, or are they doing their own thing?
He crossed a few times yesterday but still managed to completely blow the best chance where all he had to do was square it.
You have no evidence that this is true. You're guessing.
The league is a right off now anyway, the team can't finish in the top 8 for the European spots, so all of the teams effort should be put into the FA Cup and Europa League. The league should be used mainly to improve the players as a group and not worry too much about the results.
The main aim should be to win one of the 2 cups we are still in and qualify for Europe, mainly the Europa League as that is CL qualification.
People expecting this group of useless players to get better instantly is just silly, they couldn't even perform in other systems that were used for ages, why do people then expect them to automatically adapt to a completely different system so quick?
I find it embarrassing and knee jerk that people are already questioning the new manager, when he himself said this is going to take a long time to sort out.
We are through to the next round of the EL after finishing 3rd, avoiding more games, through the FA Cup after beating two Premier League teams, one being 2nd placed Arsenal. While Liverpool, Man City, Newcastle etc continue to get drawn against teams outside the Premier League. We have a record of 6 wins in the last 8 (Arsenal draw is still a win on pens).
People need to calm down and look at the bigger picture and give Amorim time.
The main aim should be to win one of the 2 cups we are still in and qualify for Europe, mainly the Europa League as that is CL qualification.
People expecting this group of useless players to get better instantly is just silly, they couldn't even perform in other systems that were used for ages, why do people then expect them to automatically adapt to a completely different system so quick?
I find it embarrassing and knee jerk that people are already questioning the new manager, when he himself said this is going to take a long time to sort out.
We are through to the next round of the EL after finishing 3rd, avoiding more games, through the FA Cup after beating two Premier League teams, one being 2nd placed Arsenal. While Liverpool, Man City, Newcastle etc continue to get drawn against teams outside the Premier League. We have a record of 6 wins in the last 8 (Arsenal draw is still a win on pens).
People need to calm down and look at the bigger picture and give Amorim time.
Why should we collectively agree with the manager's opinion that it would take a while for the team to start playing better? Manchester United should not be in 13th with the quality of players we've got. At least there should be a new manager bounce, Amorim gave us none. RVN beat this same Leicester convincingly as interim coach, now Amorim bitterly struggled to win in that manner. It's not looking positive in any way, it's retrogression and we must halt it ASAP. The fact we've changed many coaches in a short time is not a guarantee that we've had the right one, we keep making the changes until we strike gold. I imagine Iraola at United, we definitely won't be in 13th now and we'll be playing good football. Amorim is proving to be too stubborn and rigid for my liking, this is Manchester United not sporting CP.
I think it would be much easier to be patient if it was someone like Klopp or Pep or Ancelotti who had taken over. Amorim does not have enough presence in the game to get enough buy-in.
Amorim obviously deserves a preseason and a summer transfer window before he can be properly judged, but already I'm seeing some of the frustrating traits that characterised the last months of Ten Hag's era. Trying to fit square pegs in round holes, playing players out of position when it's clear it's not working, appearing to have "undroppables".
I know he's hamstrung by the paucity of the squad and the options available to him, but he surely can see that Dalot is a non entity at left wing back?! Yet he continues to pick him there, even when the club went out and bought him a 30 million quid left wing back in January!
Madness
I know he's hamstrung by the paucity of the squad and the options available to him, but he surely can see that Dalot is a non entity at left wing back?! Yet he continues to pick him there, even when the club went out and bought him a 30 million quid left wing back in January!
Madness
Agreed entirely. It's not the 1980s when Fergie got brought in anymore. The financial stakes are much higher. Arteta and Klopp showed enough early on that Arsenal and Liverpool could believe in their projects and back them through the mediocre starts. Amorim's not done that yet but he still has the rest of the season to show it.
Why should we be patient? Seemingly every other new manager seems to be getting a tune out of their players in relatively shorter time than us without spending nearly as much money as we do. Its always Manchester United managers that need £200m per summer and a full squad of their own handpicked players to look half decent. I'm sick of it.
Not asking him to have us contending for top 4 immediately but don't make us look like relegation battlers and do the basic things right. These players, as limited as they are, are for sure better than a relegation threatened team.
Questioning is off limits? Not even talking about the sack or losing faith, but questioning decisions altogether? Bit extreme there...
The team has won 6 of the last 8 games, sometimes you can't have everything all at once in regards to wins and good performances unfortunately.
In my opinion yes. Our fan base is getting more and more detestable with petulant people doing nothing but moan constantly.
This is a discussion board, not a place of worship
I'm very much in the pro-Amorim camp, but I will say that the likes of Dalot and Bruno remain undroppable in the next season (even if they are performing at current levels), then I will quickly begin to lose faith.
I think the most worrying part is, we got 14 games to go, and only 3 look winnable. I think we've done enough points to be safe but we might be looking at finishing between 13-16. That's a new low and I know Amorim is not responsible for the mess that got us here but that finish will be on his record.
Do you think Amorim is currently doing a good job?
Get your cult of personality nonsense somewhere else. And learn what a forum is in the meantime.
People are not willing to have a rational discussion though, people just want to complain because they aren't seeing the team have instant improvement.
You are one of the few that is totally irrational.