Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

He looks genuinely fed up and I don't blame him.I really like him and desperately want him to succeed, but we need to be better than what we're showing he acknowledges that himself.

I think what he said about Rashford was telling and you could say it for probably most of this team,they don't have the know-how to play how Amorim wants.

He just needs to get to the end of the season and go from there.
 
onemanarmy said:
It's the same players who have played different systems under different managers and never shown any intensity.
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Yes, of course. We all know that the players are not the best and the mentality & culture is missing.

However, the job of the manager is to maximize the resources at his disposal. If it means putting them in the right position so that they can gain confidence, then that must be done.

Honestly, I am unable to see our plan on the pitch. Maybe I am not knowledgeable enough to understand the nuances of what he is trying to achieve with some of his choices, e.g. narrowing the pitch by playing inverted wbs and AM’s. Someone might be able to explain the rationale and I am open to understanding it. Until then, I am struggling with a lot more questions than answers.
 
crossy1686 said:
How can you show progress when you sell off the players that have carried you in previous seasons?

Sure, lets list all the managers that have show progress 2 months into a new job with one player signed into their bereft team. If you don't need players to show improvements then explain Forest and Chelsea's turnarounds. Explain why teams go out and spend daft money every summer. No point when you can just coach Dalot to be Roberto Carlos.
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There are plenty of managers. I am not even talking about this "new manager bounce".

But if you think there is no way one can show some signs of improvement in our game play, then whats the point ? To me, even a "shot on target" is an improvement .

When was the last time we looked good in our attacking phase? Now don't tell me it's because of players because even league 2 teams can attack with whatever quality they have.

The expectations are at rock bottom. I am not expecting the team to win the games. Just show something on which we can pin our hopes. Unfortunately, I have seen nothing from this guy.
 
hellhunter said:
Something simple like Ruud, who seems fairly poor himself, hammering this Leicester side
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100%.

I just can't believe that no other coach could do better than scraping wins against a changed Leciester and a terrible Southampton.

I saw what Ruud achieved just by playing a double pivot and giving a platform to Bruno and the wingers (playing as wingers not as false #10s).

Tonight was the night I really lost faith in Amorim. He talks a good game but my scepticism that this experiment would end up working out has been increasing bit by bit. This match was the straw that broke the camel's back.

Maybe he's the right man for the wrong moment? I don't think he's a fraud or clueless or not ready for the Premier League. I just think the work needed to get this squad where he needs it is practically impossible with PSR. Him pretending like he can ignore that and do what he wants anyway is a recipe for disaster.
 
Good job for trying something different and again changing it when it doesn't work!
Good win, great attitude and awareness.
Keep building, coach!
 
pascell said:
Why though? We'll only be sat here next season saying he needs to implement his style.

Let me guess, he should've reverted back to 4231/433? Those tactics have got our last 2 managers sacked.

Now is the perfect time to back the manager and him drilling in his system, over the next month we have full weeks of training.
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Choice of formation wasn't even remotely what got Ole or Ten Hag sacked.
 
I'm a bit more concerned after that. I can't really see a reason for not playing our strongest XI. Our next game is in 9 days. Europa and FA Cup are our best chances of making Europe next season. If he was experimenting/tinkering, that itself is crazy.

If he thinks that's how he thinks his system works best, with no width, two inverted WBs and favouring Mainoo out of position at #10 vs Garnacho then it doesn't feel like we'll improve even with Dorgu. He's weirdly dogmatic about the formation but then almost everything else seems like he's rolling the dice - whether he wants defenders or attackers at WB, whatever profile of #10s we play and as of last week whether we play with a proper striker. And he seems to change his thinking half to half, so it's not like an opposition thing.

Reminded me a lot of 2015/16 that game. Goalless drab first half, then imagine Garnacho was first season Martial and Maguire was Fellaini.
 
Dominos said:
What do you want him to say? "Yes Rasmus is a bit shit I can't wait to replace him".

His quote is also correct, the strikers are bad but the service is also still bad.
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There was a good few occasions tonight where the ball was cut across the box and Hojlund was nowhere to be seen. He has to anticipate the path of the ball better.
 
Big Ben Foster said:
"4231 got our managers sacked" is the new "these players keep downing tools for every manager". Reductive cliche with no basis in reality.
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Both managers used the same formation when they had relatively successful seasons so the formation wasn't the issue. Changing the style of play and becoming one of the easiest teams in England to beat was what got Ten Hag sacked. Same with Solskjaer but to a much lesser extent, in truth we were only bad under Solskjaer for about 2 months before he got the boot. Ten Hag was allowed 18 months of even worse performances/results.
 
rajds89 said:
He has played on the right more than he has on the left this season, that's a fact. Still find it a shocking decision?
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Yes.

He may be capable of playing on the right, but to me it would've made more sense to play him on the left, where he is more comfortable, and Dalot on the right. It would've allowed them to both go forward and keep the width, instead of cutting in all the time. Plus having two left footers on the right (Dorgu and Amad) wasnt practical. If Amad cuts in, we need the RWB to overlap.
 
#07 said:
100%.

I just can't believe that no other coach could do better than scraping wins against a changed Leciester and a terrible Southampton.

I saw what Ruud achieved just by playing a double pivot and giving a platform to Bruno and the wingers (playing as wingers not as false #10s).

Tonight was the night I really lost faith in Amorim. He talks a good game but my scepticism that this experiment would end up working out has been increasing bit by bit. This match was the straw that broke the camel's back.

Maybe he's the right man for the wrong moment? I don't think he's a fraud or clueless or not ready for the Premier League. I just think the work needed to get this squad where he needs it is practically impossible with PSR. Him pretending like he can ignore that and do what he wants anyway is a recipe for disaster.
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Ruud was Ole part 2, just vibes. Amorim is trying to make major changes and we need to let him work it out.
 
We desperately need more attacking players on the pitch. Teams are comfortable attacking us partly because they know we don't carry much threat to speak of going forward. As has been said plenty in this thread already, we also need width, and that has to come from wing-backs playing on the side of their favored feet. Really feel like this line-up has to feature going forward:

--------------------- Onana* -------------------
---- Mazraoui --- De Ligt --- Yoro ----
-------- Ugarte ------ Fernandes --------
Amad -------------------------------- Dorgu
------- Mainoo -------- Garnacho -------
------------------ Hojlund** ------------------

* or Bayindir
* or Zirkzee
 
regarding Yoro on the right and Maz on the left, I think it's because Yoro hardly played on the left. He usually played on the right or center. So Amorim gave the left centre back role to the more experienced player
 
Berbaclass said:
See this is just delusion to be honest. We can all see he isn't up to it.

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Well Amorim, your player selections have been negative so very little happens and it was the same old United this season for 60 mins tonight. Once he changed the players, Hojlund became more involved.

We finished the game with Garnacho, Hojlund, Zirkzee with Amad wing back. This allows us to take the game to the opposition. Just Hojlund or Zirkzee central in his negative setups won't work. Zirkzee is a deeper player so needs to play 10 spot, he was helped with Hojliund in the middle. Amad wing back is so hard to pick up and seems to thrive there with Maz RCB to get involved when he can and not get tired as RWB. Garnacho is very much needed in this league to push teams back. Garnacho and Dorgu seems the way for an attacking left side.

Our usual setup is so easy to mark off, every other team comes here for a stroll and to pick us off, we can't offer much threat unless we put players on to make the opposition have to think about what we can do instead of easily holding us off at arms length. Amorim has to be bold.
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
He needs the summer window. I won’t judge him at all until next season. Amorim inherited dross.
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I completely agree here. I can understand it's hard to keep a cool head when he is the man in charge and we are performing as bad as we are. We probably could have hired a manager to steady the ship and with the talent in the squad we could have gotten positive results on vibes alone etc. But I have believe that the club has decided 343 is the way the club will be going in relation to squad building. So in other words if it doesn't work with Ruben we will have players set for the next manager. He has to have at least a few players bought to suit his version of the 343. With the players he inherited it's more a 5221. His wb's are very important to his style of football and Dalot and Mazraoui do not offer in any way what we need. My main gripe is I just wish he can get the players moving and thinking faster, the patterns are there.
 
Zoo said:
Ruud was Ole part 2, just vibes. Amorim is trying to make major changes and we need to let him work it out.
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I can understand wanting to believe this. I've said similar things about new United coaches since Sir Alex when there have been changes. However, he does not have the flexibility to make the changes needed given our financial position. At some point we'll all have to acknowledge that reality and stop trying to defy gravity.

Big Ben Foster said:
"4231 got our managers sacked" is the new "these players keep downing tools for every manager". Reductive cliche with no basis in reality.
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100 per cent. Ten Hag didn't even really play it last season. He left Casemiro isolated due to his mad desire to have two 10s in midfield like a poundshop Man City.
 
Why didn’t he play Malacia at right wingback even once if he likes his wingbacks inverted?
 
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