According to random websites, Dorgu is of similar size to Dalot and surely Heaven is taller than Martinez
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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If I was Amorim I'd resign. There's no way I'd accept being dragged in during mid season and then have my squad weakened in January.
Being big doesn't necessarily mean good aerially or at defending corners. Hojlund is terrible at defending corners, for example.
Yeah for sure, but it's not like we aerially dominated anyway
That's the attitude to take in the Premier League.
feck it, it's not like set pieces and corners are one of the most important aspects of Premier League football this season
My point is our decently sized defenders haven't done too well in this regard, so maybe the new ones of different/bigger size could do better. Could of course also do worse, but our standard hasn't been great
We need to sell players to bring players in so you can’t phase players out. We’ve already got loads we need to get rid of but will be unable to do so.
Our problem is very simple we are useless at recruiting and have we massively overspent on wages and fees so we can’t move on from mistakes. If that doesn’t improve significantly going forward the manager is pretty irrelevant.
Amorim’s future is entirely dependent on this summer window, if he doesn’t get enough good players in and enough deadwood out then he’s done.
I dont believe Amorim should have been appointed in the first place nor do I believe that a manager with only 1 way of playing Football should be given funds for an expensive squad rebuild as once his only way of playing is found out we'll be back to square 1 having to hire another new manager who will want to bring his own players.
As I said if we lose to Leicester on Friday then INEOS have a big decision to make, do they keep him and risk us having no European Football next season thus being unable to provide the funds he needs for his rebuild or do they let him go and bring in someone else to give us a fighting chance of gaining European qualification through the Europa League?
I don't think they'll have the money to sack him this season. That'll be 15-20m hit for this season accounts
So the club signs a couple of 343 specialists for 50m, then sack the manager within 12 months and the hits to the account is superior to 50m. I really hope that he is a success because both the fanbase and the board don't think straight.
15-20m is a lot less than what we'll lose if we miss out on Europe though
Well we suck at those regardless who plays.
Imagine if that happens at the back of the likes of Rashford regaining form at Villa as well. INEOS know that they are considered as a joke especially after hiring/sacking Ashworth, extending/sacking ETH, kicking SAF out and raising ticket prices only to make us watch this tripe. They won't dare confirming how incompetent they are by sacking Amorim now.
We have to balance the books for the end of June. The hit from missing out on EL will be in the subsequent season.
I don't have much expectations of him this season. We have the worst attack in the league bar Ipswich.
4 players who will be ran into the ground within couple of months, while morale drops below ground level.
4 players who will be ran into the ground within couple of months, while morale drops below ground level.
But they should if there is zero improvements, the reason they may not is bad for the club and supposed to only serve their egos. It's that kind of thinking that has put the club in deeper holes every seasons since 2018.
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For anyone who is quite rightly wondering how many home league matches, including Division 1, it took for Ferguson to lose five, which is hopefully a more balanced and perceptive figure, the answer is 49.
feck me.
For anyone who is quite rightly wondering how many home league matches, including Division 1, it took for Ferguson to lose five, which is hopefully a more balanced and perceptive figure, the answer is 49.
feck me.
Unless of course he was part of the decision making in signing off on those moves out? Full well knowing the risks of how short it would leave us if we weren't able to bring in any reinforcements.
I'd be very surprised if he wasn't consulted/if this wasn't the case.
I very much doubt though that he believed that we're not getting any replacements.
But how can you really judge Amorim at this point? This squad is shit, its not built around his ideology so to speak, we had weakened the squad and we had barely brought anyone he wanted.
I used to hate the 'we set him to fail' comment when it was used with Ole and ETH simply because we spent alot of money on players they wanted. However it would be fair to use it in this circumstance.
Rashford & Antony were barely being used though, so I'm thinking Amorim could potentially have seen it as a necessary risk - even putting them in the shop window to move them on/save on their wage, we could be beneficial come the summer.
But yeah, clearly they tried getting an attacker in, but weren't able to do so (not in the condition they wanted anyway).
Amorim said something interesting when he first signed....something about "...now that he's joining us whilst we're struggling, he can at least come in and do a lot more things his way" (something to that effect).
I think he's very much on the same page as the rest of the execs in terms of what's possible, and what isn't. Id be very surprised if he wasn't and Ineos are calling the shots over his head. tl;dr I don't see him walking or being dismissed. I think the focus this season will be a push in the 2 cups and planning for the summer window/squad overhaul.
It's too late to shift to a 4-2-3-1 formation. Now that we got rid of Antony and Rashford, we only have Garnacho and Amad as wingers, so we literally have no wingers on the bench to sub on if one of them is tired/injured/playing badly or rotate in general. I know that our players aren't exactly shining at the two number 10 positions in the current system but we have more coverage in those positions than on the winger positions in 4-2-3-1. This transfer window was just a confirmation that Ruben is definetely sticking to his current formation and system.
It would be so much easier if only one of Hojlund/Zirkzee get in a decent form. I am not asking for Gyokeres/Haaland numbers, just a slightly better form from one of our strikers so it can help us to transition easier through the second part of the season and end this nightmare season for us in a more peaceful way.
It would be so much easier if only one of Hojlund/Zirkzee get in a decent form. I am not asking for Gyokeres/Haaland numbers, just a slightly better form from one of our strikers so it can help us to transition easier through the second part of the season and end this nightmare season for us in a more peaceful way.
The games. I don't expect the team to play like prime Barcelona but I expect marginal improvements collectively but also when it comes to some individuals. At the moment there is nothing, I have no reason to back him and I don't see any reason to spend a cent on his vision unless the goal is to waste money and time.
Personally if there is no improvements or signs that we are moving in the right direction this summer, I would follow one of two paths, sack him or only sign players that fit in more common formations, so strikers and CMs. Anything else will come from the bargain bin until he shows that he can actually coach a team at United.
May I just add that the big upset here is about Antony (0 goals) and Rashford (4 goals in 3) lraving?
Featured in 9 of the last 20 games. Was only not on the bench for one of them. Bit disingenuous to say he's barely been used - he's appeared in more games in that period of time then either Eriksen or Casemiro.
He might be crap... really really crap... but he was being used, and the saving we've made on his wages (around £2-3m) really isn't that much. It would be different if we got a loan fee, or if he had an option/mandatory buy clause... but he doesn't even have one of those. Overall I'm glad he's not around anymore, I can't imagine Amorim is thrilled to be down one less option that he was using.
Its clear that Amorim has come into an absolute mess. But its also clear he is a very fixed system manager (although interestingly not so fixed that he can play a team without any forwards), and needs some specific players to implement it well. its also a system that no other top teams use and needs to be really well drilled to work. So I think there is a problem on both sides here. An experienced manager comes in and adapts to what is there whilst also looking to build for the future. The team on Sunday was a random gamble. His comments about the likes of Rashford do noone any favours, and add to the pressure on him. I reckon its 50-50 if he is still here at Christmas.
Yeah, sorry, bit of a throwaway comment from my side. I know Antony's made appearances, but from memory it's been majority a few mins here and there? I don't really disagree with letting attackers go and not replacing them, though. Whichever way you slice it, it is not ideal - especially not in a team struggling for goals.
All my post/response was aimed at was the point of Amorim walking/resigning. I don't think any of this was done without his approval, and also knowing the risk of possibly not being able to replace them with the players on our list.
Well, he is the greatest manager of all time for a reason.
Amorim has said multiple times that January’s window would be really hard to bring in the right players. He’s said it’s both financial and due to the right players not being available. He’s been so honest with all other issues that it’s hard to believe people are shocked that this is actually the case.
I would imagine he was given the choice between selling Kobbie and Garnacho to a rival, or not doing much permanent business due to PSR. We obviously can’t risk a points deduction sitting in the position we’re in currently.
From the way he’s approached this, I don’t think he was under any illusions about the issues facing the club, however, I reckon he figured he’s be able to get a lot more out of this group of players.
He's done all he could to prevent Garnacho sale I thought, I respect him for that. Probably knew we wouldn't replace him properly.
Haven't really backed him have we. Dorgu is probably a him/club signing but not sure what the purpose of signing Heaven was as he's not exactly going to be playing much you'd think
I am taking this as the board have said to Amorim that this season is a complete pass now and then in the summer he can do a rebuild
I am taking this as the board have said to Amorim that this season is a complete pass now and then in the summer he can do a rebuild
We have a minimum of 17 and a maximum of 25 games left this season depending on how we do in cup competitions. The season ends on May 25th, which means we have that number of games in the next 16 weeks (including this one). To cope with it, this is the squad we have left:
I knew when we kept Ten Hag and gave him another load of cash to waste that we have essentially decided to write off the season. However, as always, this club never fails to surprise you as I never thought we had intentions to reach the abyss.
Our PL record under Amo so far is:
P13 W4 L7 D2 GF16 GA22 GD(-)6
- We haven't scored in 5 of these 13 fixtures. In 38% of those games.
- Have won a whopping 30% of the games and lost 54% of them.
- Have scored 1.23 goals/game & conceded 1.7 goals/game
- Seven of the 13 fixtures have been at home and we have won only 2 of them - against Everton & Southampton.
- Lost the other 5 and didn't score in 3 of them.
To deal with us our newly mint 'best in the class' team put together by Jimbo 'the local lad' Brexit decided to loan out two attacking players & one defender and brought in a raw 20 year old with limited experience at a relegation battling Serie A club.
This is all very surreal to me. We seem intent on digging a deeper and deeper hole for us.
Onana/Bayindir
Maz/Yoro de Ligt Maguire
Dalot Ugarte/Collyer Fernandez Dorgu
Amad/Eriksen Mainoo/Garnacho
Hojlund/Zirkzee
On top of that we have two more category of players:Maz/Yoro de Ligt Maguire
Dalot Ugarte/Collyer Fernandez Dorgu
Amad/Eriksen Mainoo/Garnacho
Hojlund/Zirkzee
- The permanently injured: Mount, Shaw, Evans, Lindelof
- In the Doghouse: Casemiro
I don't know if this will be enough to get us through the season. We seem to cope well with Championship level teams in the Europa, but the knock-outs will bring other challenges with the level of the competition increasing to at least lower PL level. So far, we haven't shown that we can compete at that level well. We seem to falter against teams of that level even at home with CP the latest to humiliate us. I knew when we kept Ten Hag and gave him another load of cash to waste that we have essentially decided to write off the season. However, as always, this club never fails to surprise you as I never thought we had intentions to reach the abyss.
Our PL record under Amo so far is:
P13 W4 L7 D2 GF16 GA22 GD(-)6
- We haven't scored in 5 of these 13 fixtures. In 38% of those games.
- Have won a whopping 30% of the games and lost 54% of them.
- Have scored 1.23 goals/game & conceded 1.7 goals/game
- Seven of the 13 fixtures have been at home and we have won only 2 of them - against Everton & Southampton.
- Lost the other 5 and didn't score in 3 of them.
To deal with us our newly mint 'best in the class' team put together by Jimbo 'the local lad' Brexit decided to loan out two attacking players & one defender and brought in a raw 20 year old with limited experience at a relegation battling Serie A club.
This is all very surreal to me. We seem intent on digging a deeper and deeper hole for us.
He also said that we need reinforcements. Seriously don't you think we're starting February with a weaker squad then what we had prior to the January window? Cause I do and most of us do. Also why should United be selling their best young assets? It seems to me that since local lad came in every red line had vanished and we're just happy to get fecked by the owners whether its disrespecting SAF, raising ticket prices and now even selling our top young assets. If Ideots wanted to play spreadsheet then they should have bought Everton.
Even that result has quite a bit of context surrounding it.
Not just a good job. Apparently it’s been a great job. Hard to fathom.
We went for a manager fully aware that his system is completely different to the previous manager. There's no way that ETH's team could fit let alone improve under Amorim and its the reason why City/Liverpool didn't go anywhere near to Ruben despite rating him highly.
IDeots remind me of that guy who goes into a Ferrari shop with 5 euros in his pockets.
The improvements I'm talking about are within Amorim system. But that's fair, there is no expectation for Amorim and we should spend a fortune in the summer.
Players will need to be rested and injuries will be picked. That's what going to happen at the latter stages of the season. It seems Ideots weren't ready to spend 5m on Tel's loan but are perfectly fine in hiring/giving contract extensions and then sacking Ashworth and ETH.
Irrespective of that whoever wants to dig United out of that hole will need money..LOADS of it. I can't see IDeots having the will to do that
The huge hole in Amorim's formation at United is the lack of attacking wing backs. you play Dalot and Mazraoui there and you get zero attacking input, and then it leaves your number 10's having to go wide and isolated. Dalot and Mazraoui have zero attacking nous and they're not dynamic enough to get up and down the line and have a final ball.
I think that the likes of Dorgu, an actual wing back who is more of an attacking player, might open up the system a bit, if we can get that Quenda fella in the summer it would be more dynamic going forward. We've not scored a goal have we when Dalot and Mazraoui been on the pitch together as wing backs in the league?
I think that the likes of Dorgu, an actual wing back who is more of an attacking player, might open up the system a bit, if we can get that Quenda fella in the summer it would be more dynamic going forward. We've not scored a goal have we when Dalot and Mazraoui been on the pitch together as wing backs in the league?