Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

Eric's-collar said:
Do you think we'll have a shot this half?
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What a random bump. You think our play this half had anything to do with the coach or his tactics?

Our players make so many basic mistakes that no manager will be able to get them to play any kind of fluid football. Players keep on misplacing passes under no pressure, have bad first touches, make poor decisions, jump/ press at the wrong time or without any conviction, the list goes on. Our lead striker is more interested in marking his defender than getting himself into any kind of space.

Anyone who blames this on the manager has no clue.
 
GMoore23 said:
Was so silly to rush him in before the end of the season, especially knowing he'd be drastically changing tactics.

INEOS are even more clueless than the Glazers/Woodward.
It's hard to believe we've managed to regress under them.
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You’re not wrong but I would imagine he now knows he can’t rely on the centre forwards, which is something. If he’d come in during the summer he might have been inclined to give them a chance.

Unless there is absolutely drastic improvement, Hojlund and Zirkzee should both be gone this summer. It’s just astonishing the lack of quality at times.
 
Every attempted cross hits the first man.
How can a manager fix this?

When we have the ball, Fulham immediately create a wall. Everybody falls back.
It takes skill to break that, skill we severely lack.

Good news is we have options on the bench, I expect Zirkzee to make impact.
 
We need 5 or 6 new players to make this formation work.

We have no money so why the feck did we bring him in.
 
Toshey said:
Every attempted cross hits the first man.
How can a manager fix this?

When we have the ball, Fulham immediately create a wall. Everybody falls back.
It takes skill to break that, skill we severely lack.

Good news is we have options on the bench, I expect Zirkzee to make impact.
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Exactly. Nobody could succeed with these clowns.
 
I know the formation stuff has been done to death but playing five defenders every week when we already struggled to score goals isn’t going to help at all.
 
Not sure we could have turned any more toothless that we were under ETH. Looks like RA has found the formula.
I’ve no doubts about his ability, but just like players, there are bad fits and he clearly is. Whether he’s the right man, I doubt we’ll ever know, but he’s certainly the wrong man at this stage in the season.
I’d love him to turn this around but we are massively heading for a relegation battle and I’m just not sure where we pick points up if we can’t score goals.
 
Feels like he just sets up the formation and sends them out to play. No fluidity, no coordination, Just players sticking to their positions and waiting for the ball to come to them
 
Abhinav said:
What a random bump. You think our play this half had anything to do with the coach or his tactics?

Our players make so many basic mistakes that no manager will be able to get them to play any kind of fluid football. Players keep on misplacing passes under no pressure, have bad first touches, make poor decisions, jump/ press at the wrong time or without any conviction, the list goes on. Our lead striker is more interested in marking his defender than getting himself into any kind of space.

Anyone who blames this on the manager has no clue.
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Where did I mention the Manager ?
 
The performances are simply not good enough. You can't see some kind of masterplan coming to fruition either. Looks like only suffering without much reward at the end of it.
 
acnumber9 said:
I know the formation stuff has been done to death but playing five defenders every week when we already struggled to score goals isn’t going to help at all.
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Look at the bench and tell me what players should be on the pitch instead of one of those defenders?

Would you prefer to play 4231 again with the massive gaps and opponents looking like scoring with every attack?
 
MinGin said:
Until two aggressive WB are on board, we will play this way every time..
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Are these wing backs going to score too? Until we get a centre forward who can hold the ball up and more importantly score, we won’t offer any threat.
 
Irwin99 said:
Unless there is absolutely drastic improvement, Hojlund and Zirkzee should both be gone this summer. It’s just astonishing the lack of quality at times.
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Selling Hojlund at what would be a gigantic loss would be an extremely poor and short-sighted decision. He needs to go on loan somewhere, ideally in a weaker league where he can find some confidence, score some goals and better learn his trade. Writing him off because he's not a Premier League-ready lone striker at 21 is asinine. It's indicitive of what a complete shambles the club is that he's been asked to lead the line pretty much solo for the past couple of seasons with so little experience (and despite that he still got 16 goals last season, proving there's talent there).
 
Marcelinho87 said:
Exactly how they looked in the previous formation etc etc.
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People have short term memories... if anything they looked worse under ETH. With this they are at least better setup to defend. It's our attack that's struggling, but hopefully with a new CF and wingbacks, it will help greatly.
 
Paul778 said:
Look at the bench and tell me what players should be on the pitch instead of one of those defenders?

Would you prefer to play 4231 again with the massive gaps and opponents looking like scoring with every attack?
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Do you prefer this? What are achieving by playing 5 defenders? We have arguably looked worse since we decided to start Maz & Dalot as WB's. Maz has looked terrible after looking like a peach of a player earlier & the team looks toothless.
 
Find it slightly worrying we are banking on this system working. We may change our team IE. Selling garnacho and signings may mean if Ruben doesn't work would set us even further behind.
 
Insanity said:
The performances are simply not good enough. You can't see some kind of masterplan coming to fruition either. Looks like only suffering without much reward at the end of it.
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Nope, not much progress. We need new players but I am not sure 3421 is the way forward.
 
He's basically doing the same as EtH did, just trying to copy the successful system from his former club and not changing anything, no plan B, even when it's evident that nothing, for real nothing works out.

We were playing our best football this season under Ruud, when we were playing a simple system, no 3-1-6 or 3-4-3 or whatever. The squad is completely unsettled at this point.
 
Paul778 said:
Look at the bench and tell me what players should be on the pitch instead of one of those defenders?

Would you prefer to play 4231 again with the massive gaps and opponents looking like scoring with every attack?
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The 4231 was not the problem. It was ETH’s suicidal variation of it that left only one central midfielder in place. A slight tweak and we looked much more solid under RVN.
 
JBG said:
People have short term memories... if anything they looked worse under ETH. With this they are at least better setup to defend. It's our attack that's struggling, but hopefully with a new CF and wingbacks, it will help greatly.
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So Palace and West Ham away are not better than today? ETH had to go but Amorim can't do much with this lot.
 
Having started with Diallo and Garnacho as the wingbacks, we're now playing much more negatively with fullbacks there.
 
Garethw said:
The 4231 was not the problem. It was ETH’s suicidal variation of it that left only one central midfielder in place. A slight tweak and we looked much more solid under RVN.
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Facts. People keep saying look how rubbish we were playing 4 at the back with ETH, but as you say ETH had us playing something like 4141 most of the time.
 
I am just soo done with this formation. This is painful to watch. This is reminding me of LVG era. One shot on target whole half. I don’t think even if we get wingbacks it will have an impact on our performances unless the wingbacks are Marcelo and Dani Alves.
 
Garethw said:
The 4231 was not the problem. It was ETH’s suicidal variation of it that left only one central midfielder in place. A slight tweak and we looked much more solid under RVN.
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No. These clowns can’t play any system. The RvN era was an exception. We still struggled massively against fecking PAOK. We had to be bailed out by Amad.
 
Garethw said:
The 4231 was not the problem. It was ETH’s suicidal variation of it that left only one central midfielder in place. A slight tweak and we looked much more solid under RVN.
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I think Ruud actually would have made more sense as a longer interim until the end of the season, he just would have played similar to Ten Hag without the kamikaze gaps in midfield. Then Amorim in the summer with time to identify players he wants in the late season/early summer with preseason to practice the new formation.
 
GMoore23 said:
Was so silly to rush him in before the end of the season, especially knowing he'd be drastically changing tactics.

INEOS are even more clueless than the Glazers/Woodward.
It's hard to believe we've managed to regress under them.
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Totally agree with this. The squad is clearly (fairly well) built for 4-2-3-1, and ETH might as well have finished up the season playing that way - we'd have probably gotten European football for next season anyway.

Bringing in a stubborn Amorim just hasn't worked. He might well have been a future legend at United, and I still hope that happens, but right now it's more likely that he loses the dressing room and ends up in a relegation battle that leads to his sacking before the summer. Stupid timing.
 
The players aren't buying into him or his one idea at all. I completely understand the sentiment that the players should be binned off before him but we can't afford to do that.
 
Shane88 said:
What other teams actually use this formation?
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Leverkussen played some great football last season with 3-4-3. Napoli top of the league with 3-4-3, Atalanta plays some great football with 3-4-3. Some more probably.

It is not only the formation, it’s how you play in transitions and which players you have.
 
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