What happened with Viana? Pep’s people were installed at City before he arrived. So… Did City baulk at Amorim? Did United somehow gazump them? Or ..?
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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Those old players should stop selling out and commenting on the club. They are a part of the problem.
If they ever have productive feedback they should give that directly to the club instead.
Someone like Paul Scholes was a terrific player for us for a number of years, but he's bad at pretty much anything else that has to do with football.
We don’t know. Amorim isn’t a Pep clone, that could be part of it.
Not sure yet if Pep wants to leave and uncertainty around the club's court case, so we just got there before.
Welcome to the Caf. There are quite a few Manchester United supporters here. There are some very funny people here, and a good few very smart ones who only post rarely. The rest are either oppo fans, trolls or clueless.
Edit: I mean fair play to fans of other clubs who contribute, among these are some of the Caf’s best posters. But there is also a lot of stuff from various weird agendas. Opposition fans or trolls pretending to support MUFC, etc. It was exceedingly odd to be here while the Quatar bid was in play. Still, exciting times with (partly) new owners, new coach, maybe a new footballing approach. Enjoy your time in here and watching the reds.
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Blasphemy!
That Cotteriil is an absolute scumbag. Wish someone would knock the fecker out cold.
His football comments are more like his tackles than his play with the ball…
Not enough profiles that fit that style, unfortunately.
Onana, Lisandro, de Ligt, Mainoo, Eriksen, Amad and Zirkzee would all benefit from a more possession oriented approach.
Casemiro, Ugarte, Mount, Bruno, Rashford, Garnacho and Højlund benefit from a higher tempo and transitions. More pressing and running.
The squad is a bit all over the place. Too many contrasting styles.
Enough of the Ace Ventura slander.
Exactly.
I found the signing of Ugarte the oddest profile of player we brought in - in the summer.
The squad is all over the place.
There are actually multiple things that attract a manager to go to United. The managers that are interested and want to take t on will show ambition and back their ability.
I can already tell what kind of manager you would be from this post.
United is actually a great job for a young manager, a club with history, money, fans..
Amorim knows if he backs his ability, if he turns things around, he would go down in history really as the manager that brought United back after Fergie.
United managers are usually paid similar amounts to any top club managers. So what better job in football if you want to test yourself than manutd?
Spoken like a true top red. Fair play.
Didn’t Amorim say he wanted the challenge of bringing Utd from a sleeping giant to top of the tree again? Not those exact words, but the meanings the same.
You need players with different skillsets in any given style. Then it is up to the coach to get them
to gel together and to perform well.
Given who we have bought this summer, it is clear we prioritize both pressing and ball playing ability. For the style we are working on, we need both.
City don't know if Pep is leaving at the end of the season.
I don't think there was a gazumping involved, I just think he preferred United (just my opinion)
yep, Ruben Amorim must be a top red too.
Clearly managers and players see something that you dont..
Must be ones who back their own ability.
They can't appoint a manager next summer if the current one is still in post. Whether they were interested in him or not, there's a good chance Pep is still the manager.
I get that but Zirkzee and Ugarte is a big contrast in blooming playing styles.
One is a false nine, the other a pressing machine. Regarding Zirkzee I’d say, remember Firmino at Pool?
Zirkzee is a work in progress. He has to get fitter and react quicker to make it in PL.
If the 'United way' work the way these former players think it work then we would have had SAF whispering in player's ear phrases like "play like Denis Irwin" or 'play like Duncan Edwards" and voila we would have had WC players instead of the Nevilles. The reality is far more different then that. Players have their own experiences, their strengths, their weaknesses and their traits (ability to adapt etc). I can't see the likes of Maguire and De Ligt struggle to adapt into a 3 men CB system considering that they had already played in such formations before.
You need players with technical ability, a high IQ and at least some athleticism in modern football. All three are important.
Unfortunately for us, many of our players have 1-2 of these traits at most. A lot of City's players have 2-3 of them. All three in some cases.
We have a player like Eriksen who is an intelligent player with good technique, but can't really run now. We have Ugarte who is an athlete lacking in technical ability.
Our squad building has been a mess.
It's not that deep. You're getting emotional for no real reason.
You have a point, but you see players with similar limitations perform well at other top teams.
I’m convinced Ugarte will succeed here.
Our squad building isn’t done, but for now an aging Eriksen and Casemiro are performing well. I’m more concerned about the development of our young players.
I’m hoping Amorim will have a good rapport with them.
Interesting piece in the Athletic about a week spent by Amorim (and fellow students) with Mou at United a decade ago.
I can't see Antony ever being more than an epic failure, but Amorim does give him a tiny glimmer of hope and the wingback position might be the last chance he gets at the club.
It's November, if he still isn't fit its on him.
Well, remember the tantrum he had when asked to play that role.
2nd one was better
A graveyard for younger players now too? Ok let's not sign them either. Close the academy. Sell Garnacho and Mainoo. Just seasoned journeyman with heart from now on
You're being ridiculous. You're looking at it from a club/fan POV. Yes, we need to sign young players. That's obvious.
The fact is that we haven't been a good environment for the vast majority of our 18-23 year old signings. Hence, if I were a young player, I wouldn't want join United. I'm not saying that we shouldn't try to sign young players.
I think players like Haaland and Šeško have been smart with their career choices. Haaland went from Molde to Salzburg, then to Dortmund, and now City.
Šeško has stayed within the RB network so far, which is working out well for him. He could end up at a top club in a year or two.
Has he said that? He has been saying for weeks that he's surprised Ten Hag didn't try 3 at the back. Weird if so.
He said it on the after match review.
For all the things United have got wrong since 2013, developing youngsters careers is not one of them.
Garnacho, and Mainoo say hi. Has there been a more meteoric rise for a youngster to England mainstay at such a young age?
Even the young players who don’t get kept on, by and large end up making successful careers playing elsewhere.
The players you mentioned didn’t succeed at the club for various reasons, often of their own making. And blaming us for Sancho’s struggles is laughable when his failings have already been well publicised and look likely to be repeated at Chelsea. In fact you could point at City as the graveyard for Sancho, Palmer, Phillips etc etc
Rashford was a mainstay in England side and poster boy until his recent struggles. Is that all on the managers too?
they've done the old classic, its Man Utd, lets swap the € for a £ trick
There was plenty to be optimistic about when Ten Hag signed and I think he was the overwhelming favourite here for the job.
That said though, it’s well documented that there were concerns regarding communication skills and his lack of charisma. As said, Spurs didn’t move on him following Jose for those very reasons. Both of these things can be true.
I suspect United brought in Steve McClaren to support Ten Hag for this very reason, likewise with RvN this time around alongside Rene Hake.
Amorim, on the other hand, is meant to be extremely charismatic and a very high level communicator.
Weak response
This has been ehcoed by a host of ex players that have nothing to do with United.
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Anxiety Cafe in full swing again I see.
It might not work out, so let's all express our fear that it won't work so we can whisper that we were right if it all goes wrong
It might not work out, so let's all express our fear that it won't work so we can whisper that we were right if it all goes wrong
If nothing else with United we offer the Manager a long period of time even if results are shite. They're guaranteed to have time to sort out a mess when it occurs rather than the club panicking and sacking immediately. Not many top clubs offer that to be fair. We also support them with money in the transfer market too, it's not like they have nothing to work with each window.
As for Amorim himself, we've got two decisions to make this season. Continue with status quo hoping that he can turn around our form and deliver a Top 4. Or immediately switch to his system no matter the results and accept that this season is a write off but having the useful data of knowing which players work and which don't. Giving us a better platform to start from next season.
As for Amorim himself, we've got two decisions to make this season. Continue with status quo hoping that he can turn around our form and deliver a Top 4. Or immediately switch to his system no matter the results and accept that this season is a write off but having the useful data of knowing which players work and which don't. Giving us a better platform to start from next season.
Look at the number of young signings (18-23) who didn't develop or flopped. I'm mainly talking about first team signings. We have signed some top young players and nearly all of them flop. There is something wrong at the club. It's not just young players either, lots of established 25+ year olds flop here. Neville is right about that. Something about the environment is not helping. Some of these players are coveted by other big clubs..
Our own Academy products have done well for the most part. Our Academy is one of the few things the club has got right over the past decade. Changes were implemented around LvG's time and is has become a very well oiled machine.
If anything joining City as 16-18 year old isn't a bad idea. They get a good football education and that then springboards them to big clubs. City have a shit load of former Academy players playing in the top 5 leagues in Europe. For some very big clubs too. Our tends to end up at Championship and League One clubs. We have a few exceptions like Garner. Sancho joined BVB, Brahim went to Real, Palmer went to Chelsea, Lavia to Chelsea, etc.