I think he will definitely go with it from the start even if the personnel are not ideal. That's where some patience and understanding will be needed. I personally think Dalot and Mazraoui suit WB decently anyway. Regardless of how you rate Dalot, I don't think being a wingback or fullback changes him much.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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such a prickPlayer development luckily isn't that affected by first team's performance. Just because they are showing signs of being talented players, doesn't mean that they should be exposed to first team football at an early age. Certainly not in the high-pressure and underperforming environment where senior players are unable to cover for them and the mentality will be "tanking the season". Garnacho and to an extent Mainoo are current examples of that, with the former unable to put together stable performances.
Both Amass and Fletcher are in matchday squads now, Kone and Obi-Martin has just joined, with the latter looking quite raw despite scoring.
"Chuck him in, can't be any worse" is hardly the way to develop players on so many levels.
Thought the same. What an absolute nob. Repeatedly pushing his own agenda.
This has been the United way post SAF.
I'm sure United fans get all sentimental when they read stats that say 'this is Uniteds billionth youth player they promoted in blah, blah, blah years'
But we're just forcing it now.
There's no real plan in place for these youth players really.
It's all just chuck them in and hope for the best.
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Yup I just saw that interview too. He definitely got a presence and charisma that our last two managed didn’t.
All these people who come out saying now how he has to change his whole approach because his style or formation ain't gonna work in Premier League with our squad has to shut up.
He has to come in strict plan and style and change our squad and play style to work for his vision. Nothing less won't ever work.
As a supporters we have to go with that how ever painful that is at start.
He has to come in strict plan and style and change our squad and play style to work for his vision. Nothing less won't ever work.
As a supporters we have to go with that how ever painful that is at start.
You'd think playing 3 at the back is a completely alien concept going by the UK's media reaction to Amorim's preferred set up.
I see Gary Neville has already placed a seed of doubt in the minds of certain sections of the fanbase with his 'United don't play like that' comments.
I see Gary Neville has already placed a seed of doubt in the minds of certain sections of the fanbase with his 'United don't play like that' comments.
Sort of, but he also has to adapt to the PL to a certain extent most likely. It's a very different league. He's pragmatic, thankfully. I don't mean throw it all away and start a plan from scratch, but equally, if things have to be tinkered with to make things successful, of course he should?
His vision at Sporting might not translate to the PL like for like, hopefully he's got the talent, personality and resolve for that not to break him and he's got plenty of other ideas. If not, oh well, onto the next one.
Wasn't it said that Wilcox and the others would decide the tactics and football philosophy? Wouldn't that clash with having Amorim bring his own tactics and setup from Sporting?
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Lol…Gary the tactical genius and managerial savant going off his success at Valencia
If we’d gone for Pep years back, would Gary have spoken so bravely in defense of the mythical “United way”
Success is what matters. Our identity is in the emphasis on youth and attacking football not the formation/team shape.
Gary was also a big advocate for Jose. The irony
If we’d gone for Pep years back, would Gary have spoken so bravely in defense of the mythical “United way”
Success is what matters. Our identity is in the emphasis on youth and attacking football not the formation/team shape.
Gary was also a big advocate for Jose. The irony
We know we don’t Gary. That’s the entire point.
I just find it a bit funny. If you go back to the original Ten Hag threads while he was at Ajax and after he was announced as our next manager, it's not too dissimilar to the discussions about Amorim and the potential he has as a manger. Not sure why we can't focus on his potential without pretending that Ten Hag was the polar opposite when he joined us, because the threads about him before/after he was announced still exist...
I would rather him go for his system from the outset, too many managers adapt and it doesn't work.
Fans will give a manager more patience if he sticks to his principles as well rather than adapt and get nowhere.
We also need to get away from the fact that a manager needs time and 11 of his players. A top tier coach gets something out the current squad. Slot has come in and challenging without a major signing. Granted the team was good but they do lack in areas such as defence and midfield.
The worst thing about Cotterill is him talking as though he's speaking on behalf of United supporters, whilst we're all at there thinking "shut the feck up and let him do his job".
Maybe what attracts people is that they are joining one of the biggest clubs in the world. This is a strange statement so I’m guessing you’re not a united fan. Ironically anyone who thinks like that is exactly what we should not be recruiting. We need players and managers who come with the attitude of I will be the man that does turn this club around.
Incorrect.
We played three at the back regularly under LvG, and under Ole.
Yes!
I doubt they decide tactics, that would be stupidity. The coach should have full control regarding tactics.
Ace Ventura was shite when it was first in cinemas.
Just another clickbait Sky "journalist"
Think it’s more them wanting a particular style of football that they want United to play, then employ a manager who suits their desires. I think they want us to go down the control and possession style of football which I’m all for, rather than the transitional sh*t ETH was trying to play.
Do you see a tag that says opposition fan?
Take your red tinted glasses off for a second. It doesn't matter that we're one of the biggest clubs in the world. It's a big risk for young players and young managers. Zaha, Memphis, Pogba, vdB, Sancho, Antony, etc. They probably all regret signing for us.
Yes, we do need a manager who is ambitious and driven. But if I'm a young manager, which Amorim is, I don't want to potentially derail my career. Career paths are important.
Fair play to him that he's taken this challenge on. It's ballsy. He might have a better chance under INEOS than some of his predecessors did under the Glazers.
They aren’t deciding the tactics personally, what they mean is Wilcox and co will decide on a coach whose style and tactics match up to what they want the club playing going forward. They’ve decided Amorim fits the bill for that.
The point is Wilcox bring in a head coach who matches the philosophy. Amorim will have his own setup sure but it should have been from the research Wilcox has made about the manager to echo the ethos.
I don’t think a possession style is in the works: everything points to high pressing and a fast attacking strategy.
When executed well, we will have more control and higher possession.
Amorim is not significantly different tactically from Ten Hag, with the exception of the favored formation.
Going anywhere with more pressure is a risk in football, but these guys don't really need the money, it's all about testing themselves. If they all had the same attitude as you we'd only end up hiring old dinosaurs who don't really care about how they're perceived anymore.
Just an endless merry-go-round of people like Moyes, Dyche, maybe even an Allardyce! Is that what you want?
I'd agree.
That team wasn't built for possession by ten Hag. It would take hundreds of millions to reshape the squad, so they've gone for a coach who can hopefully achieve a lot more consistency.
Similarly I remain skeptical.
Sure it has to change for us at some point and I hope this is the case but Ineo's moves in the summer, regarding ETH future and the signings, hardly warrant my confidence at the present.
I’m new here so don’t know all the ins and outs of who people support. I do know there are some people here who support other teams which is very good for discussion.
Red tinted glasses ? Not entirely sure what you mean by that , I do understand there is risk joining united at the moment but high level people in football are usually highly confident in their ability ( some too much so) so they should really relish the challenge. From what you have said nobody half decent should touch us with a barge pole - where does that leave us ?
It’s a lot of players life long ambition to play for united so and I don’t think that can be understated just because things are not a bed of roses at the moment.
That's a load of bollocks. I'm happy that Amorim is here.
Think about it logically from a young player's perspective. We've been a graveyard for them. Something Neville is right about.
It’s more than that: the strategy chosen fits the club better than a tiki-taka style.
It was claimed that Wilcox would change the game model to a possession based strategy, which obviously hasn’t happened.
There is continuity in the appointment of Amorim and I’m grateful for that. He will work hard like Ten Hag has, and hopefully get better results.
What happened with Viana? Pep’s people were installed at City before he arrived. So… Did City baulk at Amorim? Did United somehow gazump them? Or ..?
Those old players should stop selling out and commenting on the club. They are a part of the problem.
If they ever have productive feedback they should give that directly to the club instead.
Someone like Paul Scholes was a terrific player for us for a number of years, but he's bad at pretty much anything else that has to do with football.
We don’t know. Amorim isn’t a Pep clone, that could be part of it.
Not sure yet if Pep wants to leave and uncertainty around the club's court case, so we just got there before.
Welcome to the Caf. There are quite a few Manchester United supporters here. There are some very funny people here, and a good few very smart ones who only post rarely. The rest are either oppo fans, trolls or clueless.
Edit: I mean fair play to fans of other clubs who contribute, among these are some of the Caf’s best posters. But there is also a lot of stuff from various weird agendas. Opposition fans or trolls pretending to support MUFC, etc. It was exceedingly odd to be here while the Quatar bid was in play. Still, exciting times with (partly) new owners, new coach, maybe a new footballing approach. Enjoy your time in here and watching the reds.
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Blasphemy!
That Cotteriil is an absolute scumbag. Wish someone would knock the fecker out cold.