The issue is that we’re trying a completely new style of play midway through a season. Ruud went back to basics and we got points. I like Amorim a lot but it’s impossible to completely change our system without dropping a lot of points.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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The players aren't switched on mentally, 80% are checked out on the pitch, no urgency, caught on their heels, not anticipating that the ball is coming to them. It is only fixed with a clear out.
All this squad understand is that there are no consequences for their actions, it's time to turf them out, even at a loss it's going to be a painful 6 months, strap yourselves in.
All this squad understand is that there are no consequences for their actions, it's time to turf them out, even at a loss it's going to be a painful 6 months, strap yourselves in.
The good thing about him is that he has an identity, the worrying thing is that identity/system looks ridiculously inflexible.
I think he is a decent coach (albeit not the amazing one some seem to think/hope he is), but his approach could not be more unsuited to the players he has at his disposal. Obviously, he cannot be blamed for the lack of quality in this squad, but at the same time I'm not sure refusing to adapt to the (admittedly limited) abilities of the players is the way to go either.
I think he is a decent coach (albeit not the amazing one some seem to think/hope he is), but his approach could not be more unsuited to the players he has at his disposal. Obviously, he cannot be blamed for the lack of quality in this squad, but at the same time I'm not sure refusing to adapt to the (admittedly limited) abilities of the players is the way to go either.
We are having less attacks into our goal and generally getting more touches because our system is more conservative with 3 CBs and packing out our midfield. Its a direct byproduct of a 352/343 hybrid.
And yet, despite having less attacks on our goal, we concede a stupid amount. Which means our defence is pretty shit, to put it nicely.
It’s like reading my own thoughts.
Do you honestly think prime Mourinho would be able to get a tune out of these idiots?
I know it's still early days.
Another worrying trend is that most of the players seem to regress under him or his system. Garnacho, Mainoo, Rashford, Hojlund and etc. He also didn't seem to improve any of the players in the club so far.
Another worrying trend is that most of the players seem to regress under him or his system. Garnacho, Mainoo, Rashford, Hojlund and etc. He also didn't seem to improve any of the players in the club so far.
We’ve looked hopeless for 2 years don’t let them fa cup win fool you Coventry was robbed
If Amorim can’t do anything we may as well just feck it all off there’s nobody better out there available to us
If Amorim and INEOS are rock solid then there is a glimmer of hope.
But he won’t be given too much longer before the press and genius sport panels start digging the knife in.
Stay strong Amorim x
But he won’t be given too much longer before the press and genius sport panels start digging the knife in.
Stay strong Amorim x
Ridiculous comment. Amorim doesn't deserve sacking for any result including relegation.
These players are a bunch of shit and it is not his fault he inherited garbage that he is expected to turn into prime Barcelona with Messi, Xavi, and Iniesta. The last thing we need for him to try accomodate lazy, bad players. Erik tried that and it didn't lead to anything good
Hed get them to defend a corner for starters.
Amorim will get it right Im sure of it but hes struggling to balance wins with system. He even said himself wins buys him time, so he knows what needs to be done.
I don't think prime Mourinho would've lost 5 out of his first 7 games.
what a load of bollocks. If he gets relegated then he definitly deserves the sack!I would agree with that thought process but i think INEOS would sack Amorim only if they felt he was the problem. They signed him off of the back of extensive knowledge about his previous team and achievements, from reports they seem highly impressed with him. We all know the squad isn't good enough, we do actually have footballing people high up within the club...anyone with two eyes can tell you the players just aren't good enough. They cant do what Amorim wants. So unless INEOS are going to side with the players i feel he will be here unless something ridiculous happens and we do end up in a relegation battle in march. Somehow over the years we have managed to assemble a team full of players that are both phyiscally weak and technically very average, it actually is an accomplishment in itself.
Again, this is nonsense. A manager who uses a system that's actually suitable for our squad would be a big boost.
It will be a tough season but it will be worth it in the end. Players are being found out fast. Just zero intend, same players that have been here for years.
Prime Mourinho wouldn't have taken the job with the squad available.
Regressing and struggling to adapt to a new formation/system are not the same thing. We already know what the situation is with Rashford, and the others weren’t exactly world beaters under ETH earlier this season.
Once again 3 cbs with 2 fullbacks that cant attack.
Squad needs a overhaul, but Amorim is not making the right decisions either
Squad needs a overhaul, but Amorim is not making the right decisions either
You could say the same about Ashworth.
Quality control
It's a good thing he has been exposed so fast. Hopefully the club will not allow him to waste money buying more average players in.
Exactly this, it’s really that simple.
I’m not saying he deserves to get sacked. If he gets relegated, for sure he’ll need to go. INEOS are not known to be very patient as we’ve seen already, and it could get much worse and signs look ominous.
Agreed. A nuclear reboot is necessary and as Amorim said, we will suffer before getting better.
Ridiculous.
Newcastle H
Liverpool. A
Southampton. H
Brighton. H
Fulham. A
Can see them picking up only 6 or 7 points. I wouldn't be surprised if they only managed 4. Morale is plummeting and with each passing game it becomes clearer that 3-4-2-1 doesn't work with these players
Liverpool. A
Southampton. H
Brighton. H
Fulham. A
Can see them picking up only 6 or 7 points. I wouldn't be surprised if they only managed 4. Morale is plummeting and with each passing game it becomes clearer that 3-4-2-1 doesn't work with these players
With this group of brain dead idiots, I wouldn’t be surprised. The difference is that Jose would be laying into them in public (which perhaps wouldn’t be a bad thing…)
No it isn’t nonsense this squad was hand picked by a manager who’s managed them at other clubs and even he couldn’t get this lot playing
So we go to 433 and then what? What have this lot shown to suggest they can turn this around? our league form has been on a downward trend for almost 2 years
A poor team regressing with every game. We could be playing until midnight and still offer no serious threat to any goal.
Whatever he does right needs to start coming together because we drop into that bottom 3 we aren’t getting out of it with this bunch of bottlers
Whatever he does right needs to start coming together because we drop into that bottom 3 we aren’t getting out of it with this bunch of bottlers
I get it, and I admire him for saying hes going to stick to his principles with a view on long term gain. But it should be better than this. Five defeats in 7, no goals against bournemouth or wolves, genuinely comical set piece stuff. It is not Amorims fault, watching our players try to play with any instinct is painful, and they are weak mentally and weaker physically - but this is worse than I thought it might have to get. Unless we have a plan of selling rashford and getting in a striker and lwb in january, we're in real trouble between now and may.
Coventry robbed myth is irritating.
They scored a goal that was offside and was rightly given by VAR.
United should have actually had a penalty before it which was ignored. They were fortunate to get to 3-3.
It means that statistically we are better, but the players are making stupid mistakes. So, to improve, we can get better players and/or they stop making mistakes eventually and this period of poor mistakes passes.
What average players has he brought in?
This thread is hilarious.
Nothing to do with shape or system.
This squad is just a terrible mix of ages and deficiencies.
Only one thing can fix it...proper recruitment. The club needs to get serious about the here and now. Forget about the future for a while.
This squad is just a terrible mix of ages and deficiencies.
Only one thing can fix it...proper recruitment. The club needs to get serious about the here and now. Forget about the future for a while.
Prime Jose looks at our squad and tells us to stick the job up our ass when he’s approached
We arent better. We are conceding more and scoring less. We are failing with basics with good defenders. We are also not really doing much with the ball.
We have also lost 3 on the bounce now.
What?!?
Yes, of course, because Mourinho is fundamentally a pragmatic coach who relies on fast transitions to win games.
It'd be different if you asked: Could prime Pep or Cruyff win with this team. Absolutely not because they need players who have capabilities ours lack.
Honestly, with the squad we have, we could have done a lot worse than re-employ Jose in the summer. Mou suits the players we have much better than Ten Hag or Amorim.
More? As he's not signed a single player, who one of the none were average?
No need to sugar coat. Most of the players are struggling/regressing, call it what you like. The manager need to make use of and improve the existing players.