Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach

What we are seeing now is the result of our slow decline over ten years, when it started we still had the individual quality to beat the bottom half teams and get 3 points even though as a team we were poor. People dont want to admit it but our squad isn't better than the bottom half teams anymore, they might be bigger names but there performances are really bad for a team that has aspirations of being a top 4 team. Every game now in the league is going to be tough, there are no easy points for us anymore. I don't think we will be close to relegation this season but if we don't sort ourselves out next season or the season after, it will become a possibility. To put it into context we have gone two seasons now without a proper left back and a renown goalscorer, its ridiculous.
 
Oranges038 said:
Sack him and hire Ole then?
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No obvs not…. But for me Ole’s system is the one the suits this squad best… Ole’s biggest failing was the awful players he signed. Ole’s system with our current squad, we are probs challenging for Europe in my eyes.
 
Toshey said:
It seems many people will be quite happy with "defend deep and let Bruno square it to Rashy on the break" football.

No, no. Don't care what happens, manager should stick to the football he wants. Players are being found out and I'm all here for it.
Let it burn, this group of footballers are going nowhere and they don't deserve to "play their strenghts".

Full support for Amorim.
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Agree with this.
 
Currently staring down the legitimate possibility- probability, in fact- of losing six straight in all competitions.

Hate to think what this conversation is going to look like by mid-January.
 
If you look at the last games, the brainfarts, the terrible goalkeeping, the red card. We are cursed.

Terrible recruitment, braindead players don't help either
 
There’s some stuff he can tighten up on but there’s not a fat lot you can do about how we self destruct.
 
Ace of Spades said:
No, we don't. The stats back that up. We are getting in the box more, and also limiting the other team more, but the mistakes have increased.
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I am looking at the stats and Im watching the games . We are conceding too much and not scoring enough. We look lost when we attack. We are mentaly more fragile and cant create well enough open chances.
 
To be fair Amorim said there was a storm coming. We’re in the middle of it. Players need to adapt or be shifted on.
Bruno - absolutely brain dead tonight and deserved a 2nd yellow.
Problem is until we have the wing backs this system will fail.
 
He’s got to start getting some results soon, otherwise I don’t think the sack will be too far away especially if we hover near the relegation spots.
 
BBer13 said:
What we are seeing now is the result of our slow decline over ten years, when it started we still had the individual quality to beat the bottom half teams and get 3 points even though as a team we were poor. People dont want to admit it but our squad isn't better than the bottom half teams anymore, they might be bigger names but there performances are really bad for a team that has aspirations of being a top 4 team. Every game now in the league is going to be tough, there are no easy points for us anymore. I don't think we will be close to relegation this season but if we don't sort ourselves out next season or the season after, it will become a possibility. To put it into context we have gone two seasons now without a proper left back and a renown goalscorer, its ridiculous.
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Our attack is one of the worst in the league. I think a lot of people know that by now.
 
Hom not being tactically flexible is a bit worrying, thought he should have substituted one of the CBs for an attacking player.
 
This is the worst squad post Fergie, we have not 1 credible striker, if Amad gets triple marked due to the Dalot and Bruno not being a threat on the other side we are rubbish.

Can't blame the manager for the squad but he really needs to bench Bruno and Dalot otherwise they get him.sacked.
 
Solius said:
Again not all great and obviously he could do things better especially in attack but every.single.game he’s had one or more of his players just do the absolute stupidest shit or conceding directly from a corner. I’m so sick of it. Nobody would succeed with them doing this so often. Combine that with the pressure of playing for Utd and it’s a meltdown every time.

We can’t languish in 12-14th like Chelsea did that season and get away with it. So it’s massive news every time.
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Been agreeing with every one of your posts in this thread. He hasn't been perfect but this is the unluckiest run I've seen for a coach in terms of the goals we've conceded and the mistakes the players are making.
 
We lost our style of play again? Where is the intensity, pressing and passing? Zero attacking threat?

Also, is it only us that everytime we change a manager we need 24 new players to play his system? All other teams in the PL don't seem to keep giving these excuses
 
I don't think he's going to see out the season, his contract is reflective of not having the amount of time the current teams performances are reflecting and I think he's made some poor choices in the starting 11.

The biggest issue which is beyond Ruben is that INEOS don't have the resources / ownership model that allows the club to drastically change fortunes in such a short period of time. It's a luxury afforded with a middle-eastern consortium but United won't use this January window to aid the present manager and this is a problem.

Amorim's management points towards massive changes in a short period of time, to alienate the volatility experienced with an unbalanced squad alongside having the wrong player profiles, but United aren't Chelsea or City to oversee such a development.

Subjectively, I think Amorim is a good manager but so much in life is about timing, coming off the back of ETH disastrous management with no pre-season and a window to accommodate newer players, there's too much heavy lifting constrained into a very narrow period.

What has disappointed me most however, is the defense which is 100% on the manager and his coaching. 3 at the back with wing backs under Conte in the league was well structured defensively and on account of how Sporting played I thought United would be hard to break down but it still feels like the team is chasing shadows if the opposition increase their intensity slightly.
 
3 horrific games coming up, Newcastle, Arsenal, Liverpool. Arsenal is the cup game, so we're out of that. We've then got Southampton, Brighton. Fulham.
 
sammyhol said:
No obvs not…. But for me Ole’s system is the one the suits this squad best… Ole’s biggest failing was the awful players he signed. Ole’s system with our current squad, we are probs challenging for Europe in my eyes.
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Who cares - this group of players is largely shit. We need players that can play a better system, not the other way round.
 
VP89 said:
I am looking at the stats and Im watching the games . We are conceding too much and not scoring enough. We look lost when we attack. We are mentaly more fragile and cant create well enough open chances.
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Have you seen the goals we conceded recently? Most of them are absolutely individual errors.

Yakuza_devils said:
We lost our style of play again? Where is the intensity, pressing and passing? Zero attacking threat?

Also, is it only us that everytime we change a manager we need 24 new players to play his system? All other teams in the PL don't seem to keep giving these excuses
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Most other PL teams don't have the same terrible recruitment we had under the previous manager(s). We were set back years.
 
Atheist said:
He’s got to start getting some results soon, otherwise I don’t think the sack will be too far away especially if we hover near the relegation spots.
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I literally can’t believe there is sack talk, he’s barely been in the job.

Ridiculous talk.
 
The Ugarte Mainoo combo hasn't looked good at all sadly. Ugarte has impressed on his own but is often taken off. Ugarte Case has looked the best so far in other matches and Case Eriksen looks good against weaker sides.
 
What's he supposed to do when we self destruct every single game?someone please tell me how it's the managers fault like a few are suggesting.
EtH has absolutely shafted us with his recruitment.
 
Yakuza_devils said:
Also, is it only us that everytime we change a manager we need 24 new players to play his system? All other teams in the PL don't seem to keep giving these excuses
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Teams who are actually competent at least attempt to bring in managers who compliment the squad and what they've already been playing. We have darted from one thing to another with no real strategy or plan.
 
onemanarmy said:
Have you seen the goals we conceded recently? Most of them are absolutely individual errors.
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I've seen all our games. You can't boil down this many goals conceded to just an "individual error" bucket. He has good defenders to work with. Annoyingly the attack is even worse.
 
redshaw said:
The Ugarte Mainoo combo hasn't looked good at all sadly. Ugarte has impressed on his own but is often taken off. Ugarte Case has looked the best so far in other matches and Case Eriksen looks good against weaker sides.
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Ugarte is taking yellows every game to make up for errors by his teammates.
 
UnitedSofa said:
I literally can’t believe there is sack talk, he’s barely been in the job.

Ridiculous talk.
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It's not ridiculous though we look hopeless and he's not making any meaningful tweaks to change things in games. Two more league losses against Newcastle and Liverpool will leave us hovering above the relegation zone.
 
Amorim will be wishing he stayed in Lisbon.

He’s got us playing much better in spurts, but he hasn’t been able to address our toothless attack, or built a solid CM to protect our defence.
Playing Kobbie alongside Ugarte was a big mistake today. We were being overrun and couldn’t gain any sort of control, until the last 10 minutes.
 
This is actually better than starting his time at the club with one of those good runs after the old manager is sacked. Let issues be identified now and let’s fix it. He has a lot to do
 
Toshey said:
It seems many people will be quite happy with "defend deep and let Bruno square it to Rashy on the break" football.

No, no. Don't care what happens, manager should stick to the football he wants. Players are being found out and I'm all here for it.
Let it burn, this group of footballers are going nowhere and they don't deserve to "play their strenghts".

Full support for Amorim.
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I agree but his player selection is worrying at the moment
 
Sadly, my money is on him not lasting the season. Right appointment (maybe) at the wrong time now making the wrong decisions.

We should have got a manager in who will play a simple formation that gets the best out of the current players. Instead, we've got players with morale at an all time low as some don't fit this system and know they are on their way out, others are needing to learn a new style of play half way through a season.

This all makes a January transfer windoe even worse, how are we going to offload players playing crap and we will have to pay even more than the usual January premium as clubs know we are desperate.

Hate to be a doomer. Amad is currently the only reason I bother to watch us. We have been terrible I'm every conceivable way. The players, the managers and the ownership.

I have no confidence in Ineos after poor decisions with ETH, Ashworth, Amorin and penny pitching.
 
sammyhol said:
No obvs not…. But for me Ole’s system is the one the suits this squad best… Ole’s biggest failing was the awful players he signed. Ole’s system with our current squad, we are probs challenging for Europe in my eyes.
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You will get heat for this comment but it's becoming harder and harder to disagree with you.

In reality we have, and really have had since Mourinho, a squad set up to play direct football in a 4-2-3-1 shape.

It's fine to want to change that but then you can't go off half cocked. You have to commit 100% to a lot of selling and picking up the profiles of player that can make what Amorim wants to do a reality: Ball playing centre backs, attacking wing backs, dynamic and progressive passers in midfield.

Are the suits really up for all that? Does FFP even allow for it?

To me we're back where we were when we sacked Ole. We've brought in a coach with very specific requirements, back then 4-2-2-2 now 3-4-3, who relies on players winning 1v1 duels across the pitch and pressing like mad dogs, and it just don't match up.

Honestly, we probably needed to go for a pragmatist not an idealist. Unless Sir Jim is thinking of sinking a few hundred mil more in soon.
 
Ineos' monumental feckup was keeping ETH in the summer. If Ruben is who they wanted, he should have been brought in then, not a 3rd into the season to change our style. I'll be surprised if we don't drop further down the table. We're now only 8 points out of the relegation zone with the next two matches almost dead certain to be losses. Ruben was right, we are suffering. I don't care where we finish this season but it's obviously going to be in the bottom half of the table. This squad needs a total overhaul and I wouldn't be upset if there was a complete turnover by this time next year but that will never happen.
 
VP89 said:
I am looking at the stats and Im watching the games . We are conceding too much and not scoring enough. We look lost when we attack. We are mentaly more fragile and cant create well enough open chances.
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And yet, we are better with more touches in the opposition box and less touches for the opposition in our box. More shots for us, less for them The xG has also been better in majority of games. This with only one training session after getting the job.

The biggest problem is our set pieces and the dumb decisions of our players make.
 
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