He is rotating the same bunch, we have a gaping hole at LWB why hasn't Amass seen even a few minutes? We are losing matches every now and then so it wouldn't make a difference if he came in and cost us matches because we are losing anyway.
Ruben Amorim - Manchester United Head Coach
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Please tell me this is sarcasm.
That’s a very hysterical take. First half was even. Second half Arsenal were better. Nobody made a mockery of anyone.
Arsenal scored two daft set piece goals. A mockery?! Genuinely what are you watching?
Maybe, just maybe, Amass is not that good?
I really don't think people realize how bad it is. And not just in a "goalscoring" sense but just general execution and decision making is so routinely bad. You can tinker with tactics all you want and set up the team like a genius but if you have your forwards fecking up simple passes and spooning wide chances none of it will matter in the end. Likewise, you can be a complete idiot just clapping your hands like a monkey on the sideline but if you throw MSN up top you'll probably win most games and people will sing your name.
Well it finished with a question. Maybe answer it if you disagree?
Seems to be like this under every manager.
Wish we could remove all of the troublesome players in one fell swoop. We're going nowhere fast until we have a squad of professional players who work hard every game
I do think he should start giving some of the youth players some chances, simply to see if any of them acclimate quickly and can help out, because we won't be buying much in January and obviously need serious reinforcements.
For funsies, I'll have a go.
Onana
Mazraoui de Ligt/Maguire Martinez
Dalot Ugarte Casemiro Bruno
Amad Mainoo
Hojlund/Zirkzee
Zero left channel width but I'd be fine with that. Most of our good stuff is either through Amad, one-twos or short passing progression in the middle/channels i.e a lesser need of take ons and dribbling penetration although we'll get that in Mainoo.
Garnacho/Rashford/Antony/the other striker to come on for Mainoo/Bruno depending on the game.
Feck me, you were serious!
If there are players backing Rashford they can feck off as well.
Think he made 2, one from a good chance that was hit straight at him and one that was a simple shot from range. But yeah it's not like they were battering our goal at all (and every underlying metric says as much)
Feck me, you were serious!
I’m still waiting for you to answer the question. It’s an easy one. Even for you.
Mockery
You didn't give me an XI though, you left two options open
Sort of my point, there are multiple positions where it's a coin flip whoever you choose.Also not even having a wingback on the left is certainly a choice, poor Martinez will get rinsed over there.
Maybe he did. But he more than made up for it by being better at corners, free kicks, crosses, passing and finishing. A prime Bruno isn’t even half the player of prime KDB.
I'm not absolving him from blame today. That Ugarte sub killed us off completely. Bruno is not a CM and he continues to insist on using him there. I'd much rather see Casemiro in there.
So yea, I hope he doesn't repeat the same mistakes again. As it stands, I don't care what system he uses as long as it fetches us results. It probably comes from me rating this squad better than most on here as I don't believe they are as terrible as everyone seems to think.
Also, were we as bad at defending set pieces under ETH too this season? It just feels like we've become much worse at them since Amorim has come in and every match we are conceding a goal from a set piece now.
Well it isn't a precise term so fair enough you might interpret it dramatically. We had absolutely no chance of winning that match. Arsenal looked very comfortable. They scored and just saw out the game. We were as helpless as a kitten to my eyes. It wasn't a credible performance from us.Mockery
I think the club should look at the teams performances and what amorim is getting from the players and make decisions based on that. Amorim has only one job - coach the players he has. He doesn't have a remit to 'rebuild' or whatever (at least I hope to god he doesn't) he just needs to improve the performances. Results will follow that. We have improved from a very very low base but the performances are not near the level they should be yet.
I never said otherwise.
I think this season is a free hit, he is trying to fix an absolute clusterf*ck of a squad.
I think this season will go like Rangnick’s interim period. Ruben won’t say it but he will likely be thinking this squad needs fixing again. I have very little expectation in terms of results currently, he just needs to keep working on his system and hopefully adding players in Jan, whilst letting go of players like Rashford to build funds.
I honestly think this formation does not suit our current crop of players. We have an extra CB and wing backs replacing the of our traditional wingers. However, Dalot can’t bring attacking quality of a Garnacho and Rashford. We are basically playing with an arm behind our back. Furthermore, we have an extra CB which compounds our problems. Logically, you would think having an extra CB will mean we are good at set-pieces- but we have Martinez.
We are not having the benefits of our formation. Our team is not built for it, and it will take time with recruitment.
We are not having the benefits of our formation. Our team is not built for it, and it will take time with recruitment.
Not his job. His job is to coach the team and get performances and results. We have professionals to try to rebuild the squad, although the upstairs don't seem to be doing a great job lining that up
Yeah mockery was a bit much, bud. It was a dull/dour game where we tried to shut them out without creating much/anything of note. They scored two jammy goals, but fair play, there is a current gap in quality between the teams so essentially not the end of the world.
Amorim mentioned things would get worst before they get better….he wasn’t wrong. I’d say, personally, some selection issues were fully on him today. I don’t think either Malacia or Zirkzee is good enough. Dalot has been struggling, along with Mainoo & Martinez. But until the likes of Shaw/Mount etc and the likes of them can put some consistent minutes together, he’s really left with not much choice. The ones on the bench aren’t exactly pulling up any trees either.
I wouldn’t be too concerned just yet - not when the underlying metrics look decent. Our wingbacks and attack are cause for concern though.
The short term pain will be worth it for the long term gain. Having a manager come in and implement his system on the fly in the middle of a season when the schedule is so packed with games these days is not ideal, but the reality is what we’re seeing play out is all for the benefit of next season and beyond. The likes of Amad, Mainoo, Yoro are going to be able to hit the ground running next year. On top of adapting the players of our future to the system, Amorim will have a good 6 months to really get a good grasp of which players aren’t going to work out and what profiles are needed in for incoming transfers.
He’s been in charge for 22 days. Exactly how quickly are you hoping for an improvement more significant than what we’ve seen already?
And I don’t know why everyone is trying to ignore the horrendous list of fixtures he’s having to use to remodel this failing team. Yes we should usually beat Forest and Bournemouth but you’d swear some of ye haven’t any idea about how their seasons have been going. Today was a team in 13th place playing a team in 6th. It’s been banana skin after banana skin in the league, with no rest, no time to train and European fixtures we desperately needed to win to turn around a dire start to the season (and he did at least successfully complete that particular task)
Surely can't be as bad as Malacia and Dalot have been. The major difference is that he is a player with a huge upside whereas the other two have no upside at all and have questionable mentality.
After watching ETH on Amad I can't believe people still think just because a coach doesn't pick a player then that means he ain't good enough.
Very true. The hysterics on this thread is so sadly predictable
As someone said Wilcox thought Zirkzee was a great idea that is a bit of a worry.
I am talking about forward looking.
People will want to assess the manager on some nonsense around the squad or transfers or other stuff that he isn't responsible for.
They should just assess his performances going forward.
Performances have been poor so far obviously, but it is very early as you said. In the forward looking there aren't any excuses for performances to stay this poor.
Wilcox shouldn't be involved in my opinion, it is not his background. It is incredible if ineos get this next bit wrong.
But there is absolutely no excuse if we let Amorim sign random sporting Lisbon players.
Unlike our keeper whose heroics kept Spurs from further humiliating us…but if doomsday posting is your thing, good luck
We weren’t really the better team. We didn’t dominate possession. We barely got 2-3 passes together before losing possession. Iraola did a masterful job of staying compact while pressing high up. I expected a much better performance at home from us.
Amad had been out on loan and played in the championship for the season. The two situations aren't really comparable
2 games conceded 7 goals with 1.5xG
You didn't give me an XI though, you left two options open
Also not even having a wingback on the left is certainly a choice, poor Martinez will get rinsed over there.
I put the two options because it's really quite interchangeable but I would go with de Ligt and Hojlund as my personal preference. I'd also have Bruno playing more conservatively (if that's possible on the left) and Ugarte covering that side as help. To be fair it doesn't matter who's in front of Martinez, there's always been a chasm of space there in several games now and he will have to deal with it. At least with Bruno, who hopefully won't be marauding forward leaving gaps and with Ugarte, the space will be reduced.
I think my team is closer to a 'strongest' first 11 than, what it feels like to me, a somewhat overly arbitrary rotation Amorim is doing (even if I sympathise with his approach).
Feck it, I like my team. Amad creating chances and spaces for others to also have a go at or Bruno delivering a ball to Casemiro's head after a late run in the box. Beauty and beast.
That was utter dogshit today. I’m still not sold on the formation. We’ve restricted our attacking players from 4 to 3 whilst not having better options as wing backs. Even if the formation was meant to make us better defensively, it hasn’t achieved that.
We had 60% possession and 23 shots at goal. We had by far the better xG.
And I know people get triggered by stats so think back to the chances we missed. Bruno alone had two gilt edged chances to score. Dalot and Maz both had great chances too. Garnacho missed a 1v1. Bournemouth seemed to score every time they got in our box. I can’t think of any decent chance they missed.
I do think Bournemouth played well. And I wouldn’t argue with anyone who said they deserved to win. They were clinical and we weren’t. That’s an important part of winning football matches.
The point I was making is that they didn’t “beat us easily”, despite the scoreline, and I stand by that.