Roy Keane

Keane legend Ronny legend, both had same attitude when there playing days were numbered most will know about Keanes towards the end at UTD, and that's why he's in Ronnys corner.

Bringing up Scholes, Rio, Cantona. Come on Roy ffs its long long time ago and all were dealt with. ETH is the new Manager Keane I don't know how many times he's criticised the players for (throwing them under the bus)..
ETH , shows some balls against a current UTD player when UTD are starting to show some consistency, Roy now wants to have a go at him? Wtf is his argument he can't have it both ways. And us as fans know F all according to Keane. I loved the guy as a player same as Ronny , in this instance imo both are wrong.
 
Honestly find it baffling how anyone lauds this circus clown pundit as a "hardman"

He's a middle aged stroppy fool giving "death stares" because he was great 22 years ago. Sounds like the coolest guy in school who grew up to only get fired from a call center.

If anyone else acts the way Roy does then Roy would have a tantrum. You think Roy wouldn't quip about someone else walking out on Ireland and Man United? Course he would. But nobody else would say that to him. People like Roy are often coddled by people around them because people try and keep everything civil to make their own lives easier. So Roy gets to be "Keano" talking shite every week with no insight with the occasional hardman act and everyone goes along with it just to keep him calm.

Which again, is fine but only issue is his words actually mean something to some viewers so as soon as he calls Ten Hag inept or woeful or some other word like "bluffers" then "Keano's" fans will parrot it repeatedly. Even though Roy has as much insight into modern football as a 4/10 YouTube fan channel

he walked the walk on the pitch

regarding his words meaning something I think most sane people realise sky sports is just a circus really & it’s not that deep
 
The man openly labelled the entire United fanbase as "clueless".

That part was hilarious tbh. Great TV. The guy is box office. :lol:

Wasn't CR7 a bit of a hairstyle merchant and a vain guy back in the day? You'd think Roy wouldn't like his personality but I guess as long as you're driven and hardworking Keane doesn't care about what you do outside Football.
 
If I may do a bit of stupid, half-arsed armchair psychology for a minute... I think Roy has some slight Borderline Personality Disorder-type tendencies.

He seems to have in his head that saying anything negative about somebody he likes or positive about someone he doesn't like is the same as admitting that he was wrong about the person, because everything is so black and white to him - and being wrong is unacceptable, because if he's wrong, that must mean he's stupid because only stupid people can be wrong because everything is black and white.

He was the same on some 'all time XI' type thing I watched where he filled the whole thing with his mates (even when pretty clearly undeserved) and omitted anybody he'd ever fallen out with. As soon as he was challenged on any of the picks, he immediately started doing the type of mental gymnastics and rambling we see in that clip about Ronaldo.

Would also explain why he holds grudges for literal decades, has a temper like a volcano, and had multiple high profile massive fallings out with people.

He's a complicated guy for sure.

What I would say to some is don't take it so seriously. Its just a blokes opinion on a footballer.
 
It's funny because if Roy was still part of the team he would be the first one to slap Ronaldo into reserves for leaving the stadium.
 
It’s weird to me how much Keane loves Ronaldo. Did they even play together?

It comes across as a guy defending his mate.
They played together for a couple of years.

As someone else posted last night. I don't think Keanes ever gotten over how it ended for him at United and he appears to be subconsciously defending himself as much as he is Ronaldo.
 
It’s weird to me how much Keane loves Ronaldo. Did they even play together?

It comes across as a guy defending his mate.

Yeah they played two and a bit seasons together
 
They played together for a couple of years.

As someone else posted last night. I don't think Keanes ever gotten over how it ended for him at United and he appears to be subconsciously defending himself as much as he is Ronaldo.
Spot on
 
He's a complicated guy for sure.

What I would say to some is don't take it so seriously. Its just a blokes opinion on a footballer.

Yea, same reason Paul Merson and to some degree Graeme Souness get to be in the studio after all these years, it gives them clicks and revenue. People link what they say on social media and forums like this and does the promotion for them.

It's funny because if Roy was still part of the team he would be the first one to slap Ronaldo into reserves for leaving the stadium.

spot on
 
I think Ronaldo's ability to get "back in" is severely hampered by not being of the desired level right now unlike those players.
For sure, and Keane said that himself. The difference is those players were capable of getting back in. What we’re seeing in Ronaldo now is kind of similar to what happened to Keane when he was on his way out of united, hence the passionate defence of the situation, not the player or his actions.
 
They played together for a couple of years.

As someone else posted last night. I don't think Keanes ever gotten over how it ended for him at United and he appears to be subconsciously defending himself as much as he is Ronaldo.
Yep, he was projecting in a big way yesterday. He clearly still has PTSD from what happened to him.
 
Keano is still my hero, but he needs to stop defending Ronaldo. Everyone can see he has lost his first touch and all players get old. Remember the good old days when he was brilliant and admit he is not the same anymore.
 
A goal every two game. Refusing to come on as sub “is a human mistake”. Roy Keane is so clueless its not even funny anymore.

 
Honestly find it baffling how anyone lauds this circus clown pundit as a "hardman"

He's a middle aged stroppy fool giving "death stares" because he was great 22 years ago. Sounds like the coolest guy in school who grew up to only get fired from a call center.

If anyone else acts the way Roy does then Roy would have a tantrum. You think Roy wouldn't quip about someone else walking out on Ireland and Man United? Course he would. But nobody else would say that to him. People like Roy are often coddled by people around them because people try and keep everything civil to make their own lives easier. So Roy gets to be "Keano" talking shite every week with no insight with the occasional hardman act and everyone goes along with it just to keep him calm.

Which again, is fine but only issue is his words actually mean something to some viewers so as soon as he calls Ten Hag inept or woeful or some other word like "bluffers" then "Keano's" fans will parrot it repeatedly. Even though Roy has as much insight into modern football as a 4/10 YouTube fan channel


I always know Keane was right on the money when someone starts off by calling him a so called hardman
 
Well at his age, of course he's not the future. Bit of a daft comment really.

Why exactly would you never play him again?
I assume you're disgusted that RVN, Scholes, Cantona, Ferdinand, Rooney or others played for United too?

Your reply is daft. Keane wants Ronaldo to start every game he is fit. We have seen that Ronaldo just isnt worth that right now and the team dynamics change when he plays. Nevilles point was that he shouldnt have that expectation.

Not sure what the last paragraph in your post is in relation to. .
 
6 more winnable games over 3 weeks is all we should have to endure of this saga now. If we do win these games the drama will become smaller. World Cup will provide a welcome distraction away from club football.
 
Wow, this is the first time I've heard an ex Utd player say "Utd are better without Ronaldo". Fair play to Neville! Roy Keane struggled to accept that point.




Keane is talking absolute shite there. He's lost all objectivity when it comes to Ronaldo. That whole section is a bit embarrassing for him.
 
Keane adores Ronaldos mentality. They had similar mentalities, as Neville suggested. Keane will always defend that mentality whether it be Ronaldo or any other player. Yes, he has undoubtedly a soft spot specifically for Ronaldo, but who wouldn't! 1 of the all time greats.

I disagree with my hero ( am Irish and a Celtic fan - was at Keanes debut for Celtic which we lost 2-1 away to the mighty Clyde in the Cup, was also at his Old firm debut at Ibrox when he ran the show and we won 1 nil, Wayne Rooney was sitting about 10 rows behind me, Keane obviously got him the tckt ) on this matter however, he did say Ronaldo should get punished. Keane believes the chances that fell to Rashford and the kid yee signed from Ajax, Ronaldo would have buried. He probably would have scored at least 1 however, as other have pointed out, would Ronaldo have shown the pace to be in those positions. To be fair, I think he might have done.

Keane does make a very valid point
In that yee struggled last year but Ronaldo was still your best player but time is catching up with him and having no pre season has done Ronaldo no favours whatsoever.

Probably best if Ronaldos contract was terminated today for all parties.

As an aside, it's clear United are improving under ETH. Really hope yee make Top 4.

Hopefully, we get yee in CL next season. Yee will beat us but it will be some atmosphere in both games. Was at CL at OT when yee beat us 3 nil around 2008. Was also at OT for Keanos testimonial against Celtic. Brilliant occasion.
 
Why did noone point out that the reason Ronaldo found himself out of the team from the start is because he decided to feck off for pre season

His behaviour has been poor from the start.
 
Keane has lost the plot.

And he knows his take is wrong but will do it anyways out of loyalty.
 
Why did noone point out that the reason Ronaldo found himself out of the team from the start is because he decided to feck off for pre season

His behaviour has been poor from the start.
Because there is the belief that that was related to the death of his child. A trauma that he probably came back from too quickly so then wanted to grieve with his family over the summer.
 
I always know Keane was right on the money when someone starts off by calling him a so called hardman


I always keep an open mind that middle aged man looking angry aren't always right. He's a so called hard man now, not in his younger days to be clear.

But if you decide he must always be right because someone isn't fawning over him in a "my dad could beat up your dad" sorta way then I commend your deduction skills
 
It’s weird to me how much Keane loves Ronaldo. Did they even play together?

It comes across as a guy defending his mate.
He is talking about himself. You hear him talking about the evil PR machination and sneaky manager who treats his senior players unfairly... Where have you heard that before? Roy Keane is the most emotional footballer probably in history. He just relates to a situation whereby a star player can't handle something, they react and everybody condemns them. He relates to that feeling I suppose and likes how serious CR is about winning... But to say that he thinks we are a better team without him is really sad because it tells you why no one would offer him a job. His footballing analysis is more basic than a child's.
 
He's a complicated guy for sure.

What I would say to some is don't take it so seriously. Its just a blokes opinion on a footballer.

Yeah, of course. Sticking in a condition name made the post a good bit heavier than was intended, very much daft, half-arsed armchair psychology as advertised :wenger:.

But yeah, I just used to think up until recently that Roy was doing a character on TV based on his hardman type image as a player, but the more I see the way he goes about arguing about certain things and the angles he comes from makes me think he probably just is a pretty intense type bloke with a few foibles and a strong sense of loyalty (or the opposite to people he doesn't like).

I think it comes off a lot less weaselly than when Neville and co were finding any reason under the sun not to say a bad word about Ole for example, because it almost seems a bit like Keane actually can't bring himself to see that someone he feels loyal to might have done anything wrong, rather than being able to see it and just being a bit political about it like Neville. It does mean his punditry in these types of situations probably isn't worth much, though.
 
This is bizarre from Keano. Was falling over himself to defend Ole’s bewildering managerial decisions, but criticises ETH for making 100% the correct call after Ronaldo’s behaviour.
 
This all started when Ronaldo ran over on live TV to shake Rio and Roy's hands (the one where he blanked Carragher). Since then Rio and Roy have been defending everything Ronnie does including accusing the manager of lacking respect. The latter part makes me boil knowing the trauma this club experienced last season. We can't afford another season like that.
 
Keane's right about some got a bit carried away about that spurs game. The goals involved fortunate deflections (Fred's goal and how the ball ends up going to Fernandes) and Rashford wasted a few good opportunities. Most of all, it was potentially also just spurs being spurs.

Results and performances are very much up and down, with and without Ronaldo. It's evident that we need a striker that can score goals, on paper you'd pick Ronaldo to do that over Rashford. Neither are doing the business though, that's objective truth. Is Ronaldo our best option to get us goals? When the competition is Rashford then you can see why people are split over who you'd pick. One has an incredible amount of credit in the bank and Keane knows his character.

I can see both points of view. Ultimately Ronaldo has let this standards slip in his chances this season, and his actions against Spurs were ridiculous and rightfully punished. Given our lack of striker options I'd prefer to see him come back into the side, fired up and scoring goals, cause goals are certainly what we need. If he's unlikely to do anything better than what we've seen so far then clearly the sooner we sell the better, we don't need two wasteful strikers and certainly not one on his wages (or Rashford's to be fair!).
 
Is it just me that thinks Roy's point was valid?

He hasn't said Ronaldo shouldn't be punished. He said he should.
It seems everyone is trying to argue Ronaldo should be completely banished.
Whereas Roy is saying, No, other people have done similar things and were fined/punished and then started games.

We don't have a fit number 9, Ronaldo serves his punishment and then what? Not play him over Rashford as a Striker?

He also said he understands why Ronaldo would feel frustrated, not that he was right.

Feels like everyone is going way overboard.


Imagine watching the TV, and seeing Keane melt down......and your take away is everyone is going overboard :lol:


Absolutely love Keane but that was insane his antics. Literally running down the team and the manager to prop up a player who walked of the pitch early. Bonkers
 
Keane's right about some got a bit carried away about that spurs game. The goals involved fortunate deflections (Fred's goal and how the ball ends up going to Fernandes) and Rashford wasted a few good opportunities. Most of all, it was potentially also just spurs being spurs.

Results and performances are very much up and down, with and without Ronaldo. It's evident that we need a striker that can score goals, on paper you'd pick Ronaldo to do that over Rashford. Neither are doing the business though, that's objective truth. Is Ronaldo our best option to get us goals? When the competition is Rashford then you can see why people are split over who you'd pick. One has an incredible amount of credit in the bank and Keane knows his character.

I can see both points of view. Ultimately Ronaldo has let this standards slip in his chances this season, and his actions against Spurs were ridiculous and rightfully punished. Given our lack of striker options I'd prefer to see him come back into the side, fired up and scoring goals, cause goals are certainly what we need. If he's unlikely to do anything better than what we've seen so far then clearly the sooner we sell the better, we don't need two wasteful strikers and certainly not one on his wages (or Rashford's to be fair!).


Hold on you watched that match and this was your takeaway from it?


Basically like me saying if it wasn't for Lloris we have done then 6 nil.

Had like 30 shots on goals was as close to as domination against a big team you will get without the big scoreline, passing it off as deflections is massively underselling it
 
I always keep an open mind that middle aged man looking angry aren't always right. He's a so called hard man now, not in his younger days to be clear.

But if you decide he must always be right because someone isn't fawning over him in a "my dad could beat up your dad" sorta way then I commend your deduction skills


I think the only one doing the my dad is bigger than his dad is yourself.

He's balding now too if you want to hate on him for that also