Roy Keane

Mr PG said:
This all started when Ronaldo ran over on live TV to shake Rio and Roy's hands (the one where he blanked Carragher). Since then Rio and Roy have been defending everything Ronnie does including accusing the manager of lacking respect. The latter part makes me boil knowing the trauma this club experienced last season. We can't afford another season like that.
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I don't know Keane has always liked Ronaldo going back to playing with him. I don't think I've ever heard him say anything negative about him so Ronnie obviously won his respect.

Bottom line is he knows Ronnie deserved to be punished and it would be better for all if he left the club as soon as possible.

I don't think too many can disagree with that no matter how it took for him to get there
 
We had great footballers playing for us who happen to be utter bellends in other aspects as well.
 
Keane's always been fiercely loyal to a lot of his ex teammates, to the point where it is really a bit overboard. The whole Giggs argument with Carragher and explaining that loyalty is his reason for including him in his best XI is a case in point. Personally I just view it as 'that's just Keano' :devil:

The only thing i have issue with is that I wish Ronaldo's ex-teammates and media pundits would try to take a more balanced or conciliatory tone instead of encouraging the two sides to dig in. It's not helpful to United who are severely depleted on the striking options front. Neville's "get rid of him" comment doesn't help nor does Keane/Rio's ultra defensive stance which only appeals to Ronaldo's ego. ten Hag's made the right call in laying down the law and offering Ronaldo a way back. Hopefully he'll take it or at least make it until January.
 
I don’t really understand his love in for Ronaldo. There wasn’t much overlap so they can’t exactly be mates. I can only think it’s a product of his heavy dislike of the rest of the team based on last seasons showing.
 
Flexdegea said:
Hold on you watched that match and this was your takeaway from it?


Basically like me saying if it wasn't for Lloris we have done then 6 nil.

Had like 30 shots on goals was as close to as domination against a big team you will get without the big scoreline, passing it off as deflections is massively underselling it
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Incredible isn't it. He's suggesting a mixture of us being lucky to beat them, whilst they were rubbish at the same time.
Not an absolutely superb display throughout the team battering them.
 
I say this as somebody who wouldn’t have Ronaldo in my first 11 and as someone who is looking beyond Ronaldo to the future.

I love that Keane is bang on Ronaldo’s side. They are both absolute winners with that drive that takes them to the very top of their capabilities. There are some players who people thought were better and they got nowhere near these two in terms of consistency of performance.

Keane, Ronaldo, Becks the three most driven and consistently brilliant players I’ve seen at United. By a LONG way.
 
Love Keano. Almost always agree with him on all things United, but I do think dropping Ronaldo was the right call. It’s about setting standards. I do think this whole thing has been blown out of proportion though and the fact it’s still headline news is a bit baffling to me.
 
KeanoMagicHat said:
Keane is just projecting about his own acrimonious ending at United. As a player, Keane was a rebel from the rebel county in Ireland. But ultimately United were right to sack Keane at the time and right to marginalise Ronaldo now. Both were/are ageing players that are more hassle than they are worth. Keane is still very bitter about how he was treated and will see similarities in Ronaldo this season.
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He's bitter about a lot. He still hasn't forgot about Saipan and hates Mick McCarthy. When he was assistant manager of Ireland, he argued with Jonathan Walters and brought up some argument they had at Ipswich a decade earlier. He holds on to grudges for decades and if you fall out with him, you're practically dead to him.

Thats why I don't buy the idea that he's an old fashioned pro. He can dish it out but he'll never take it without wanting revenge.
 
Tyrion said:
He's bitter about a lot. He still hasn't forgot about Saipan and hates Mick McCarthy. When he was assistant manager of Ireland, he argued with Jonathan Walters and brought up some argument they had at Ipswich a decade earlier. He holds on to grudges for decades and if you fall out with him, you're practically dead to him.

Thats why I don't buy the idea that he's an old fashioned pro. He can dish it out but he'll never take it without wanting revenge.
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It's tough really because Keane doesn't like to talk about what happened but the other party seems to always get the first word in and Keane doesn't respond so people just accept one side as gospel.
 
royboy16 said:
Ronaldo's refusal to come on as a sub is inexcusable. Had Pogba done that Keane would have torn strips off him.
Keanes a hypocrite and it goes against everything he says about players giving it all for the shirt.
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What he says is massively influenced by who he's talking about. He's criticised ETH's results but defended Ole for far worse. He's defended Ronaldo and, as you said, would have slated Pogba for the same.
 
crossy1686 said:
It's tough really because Keane doesn't like to talk about what happened but the other party seems to always get the first word in and Keane doesn't respond so people just accept one side as gospel.
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Keane does seem happy to talk about stuff tbh. I've heard more from him about his falling outs with Mccarthy and SAF then the other two.
 
Tyrion said:
He's bitter about a lot. He still hasn't forgot about Saipan and hates Mick McCarthy. When he was assistant manager of Ireland, he argued with Jonathan Walters and brought up some argument they had at Ipswich a decade earlier. He holds on to grudges for decades and if you fall out with him, you're practically dead to him.

Thats why I don't buy the idea that he's an old fashioned pro. He can dish it out but he'll never take it without wanting revenge.
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Again some similarities with Ronaldo in that’s what made them great, the desire to win, but lets them down in other parts of life. His comments about Walters were awful.
 
Don't really care about Keane's thoughts on Ronaldo even though I don't necessarily agree with them I can see his point of view.

What I didn't like was when he said that Ten Hag wasn't winning enough games. That was a terrible take, after our horrific start we've picked up over 2 points for every 3 in the league despite playing all the best teams in the league. Even wins away to Everton, Southampton and Leicester are not to be sniffed at.
 
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I think it’s sweet that a “hard man” like Keane wants to stick up for Ronaldo. He obviously thinks it’s fine what Ronaldo did but on the other hand he’s got an image to keep up so midway through a rant will drop that it’s wrong what Ronaldo did but then point out he was top goal scorer last season.
Keane was like a god in here, we wanted him in the dressing room beating crap out of our players but now we don’t want him anywhere near the dressing room :lol:
 
People in here going on about how Ronaldo and Keane barely overlapped. They were together for 2 and a half years. And there are similarities between the 2, they hate losing as much as anyone. And I'd guess Ron learned a lot while he was captain.

Having said all that, Keane is wrong. He's clearly finished. His Ronaldo love isn't new, he's always said positive things about him.
 
pratyush_utd said:
Roy on ETH



Contrasting opinions when its one of his friends.
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That's ridiculous haha, United are three points off third with a game in hand. And have had by far the hardest fixtures - played City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, Liverpool, Newcastle in their first 11 games.

Very pub chat after a few pints, no context/analysis sort of punditry that.
 
Will Singh said:
I think it’s sweet that a “hard man” like Keane wants to stick up for Ronaldo. He obviously thinks it’s fine what Ronaldo did but on the other hand he’s got an image to keep up so midway through a rant will drop that it’s wrong what Ronaldo did but then point out he was top goal scorer last season.
Keane was like a god in here, we wanted him in the dressing room beating crap out of our players but now we don’t want him anywhere near the dressing room :lol:
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Anyone who wanted Keane anywhere near the dressing room hasn't been paying attention for the last 10 years.
 
He needs to get his head out of his ass. It's embarrassing. It's like a competition on whose going to say the stupidest thing with these former United players.
 
Still love the man.
 
He went on Ronaldo' defence saying he didn't have a pre season :lol:

Yes Roy the cnut was on strike for 6 weeks trying to get a new club.
 
KeanoMagicHat said:
Very pub chat after a few pints, no context/analysis sort of punditry that.
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But he knows more than us fans. :wenger:

Withnail said:
Anyone who wanted Keane anywhere near the dressing room hasn't been paying attention for the last 10 years.
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Exactly. There's this daft attitude that just screaming at players makes them better. That someone like Keane would walk into the dressing room and punch a load of 20-somethings and everything would be fine. Absolutely bizarre. There's a reasons Guardiola is the world's best manager and not Vinnie Jones.
 
United is bigger than Ronaldo. I’m happy we have a manager who doesn’t put any player above the club.
 
Shameless WUM. The type of comments you see from opposing fans egging us about Ronaldo here. How is that dear Ronaldo of his doing versus teams from Cyprus and Moldova ? Not to add a big hypocrite too. Imagine Ronaldo did this back when he was a captain. He surely would at least punched Ronaldo in the face. And his ETH bashing is just pure bullcrap. How did his mate Ole do ?
 
I just think he might have gone too far with the contrariness this time. He’s already shown many times in his role as a pundit why he never made it as a manager but now he’s making himself look like a moron.

Either that or Sky are reading this thread and preparing a new contract.
 
Roy Keane loves the idea that a player is a winner and thats all he cares about. He sees that in Ronaldo but doesn't seem to see that its not a winning mentality anymore, its a selfishness. Once upon a time they were one and the same thing. If Ronaldo scored, the team would do well. Now its not that simple. Given the choice, Ronaldo would always rather make the headlines for his own glory than see the team win.

I still cannot fathom how much of a self centred prick you have to be in order to watch your team and mates put in a performance at Spurs like that and think, you know what, I'll leave 2 minutes before the end to try and steal their thunder. Absolute weapon.

Lets be honest, very few commentators have any integrity. They see money or a way to further their own profile and professionalism goes out of the window.
 
The funny thing is you know if CR7 did it to Keane as a manager, Keane would have the exact same reaction because Keane left players behind when they were late for the bus ride to the match when he was at Sunderland.
 
HookedOnAPhelan said:
Shit-stirring cnut. Genuinely think he wants Ten Hag to fail so another one of his mates can get a shot.
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Yeah. I have to say as much as I have enjoyed him at times he's acting like a right cnut now. It's one thing for him to be championing Ronaldo, but to say Ten Hag isn't winning enough games...he can feck himself with that.

Ten Hag has us playing the best football he have in a long time and has won 60% of games at the time Keane made that remark. Sir Alex had win percentage of 59.67. Yes it early days and that percentage could change for Ten Hag, but the point is his win percentage cannot be used as a stick to beat him with right now. It's always disappointing to see him talk such shite.
 
I have a lot of time for Roy but at the moment he just seems to be contrary just for the sake of it - a kind of Eddie Jones of the football world
 
Usually have a lot of time for him but he's gone down considerably in my estimation of him regarding his bizarre defence of Ronaldo.

All the more bizarre considering if he were our captain today he'd have torn Ronaldo to pieces for the petulant shite he's been pulling lately.
 
trevor newnham said:
I have a lot of time for Roy but at the moment he just seems to be contrary just for the sake of it
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I also like Keane, but this is not my impression. Unless he's somehow the greatest actor in the world, he's legitimately fuming when it comes to this topic. He seems to believe the things that he says.

At least he's genuine, though. I prefer genuine pundits with the occasional bad take over pure shit-stirrers and attention seekers.
 
He was right in the sense that you can't hang your hat on Rashford, and Ronaldo if playing every game would probably be our top goalscorer.

But Neville and Hasselbaink were right (and I hate to admit Hasselbaink is right), Ronaldo doesn't give enough to deserve being in the team right now.

Keane's comments are like "If you put Ronaldo in that team today and the game went exactly as it did but with him on the end of the chances, he would have scored". OK, fair enough. But the counter argument is that if Ronaldo is in the team, we don't play well, so the argument is too conditional.

I do think Keane is right that this doesn't have to be the end for Ronaldo. Players down the years have done similar at both United and other clubs, and have come back. The real problem is that Ronaldo is a Europa League player and an impact sub right now. He would have been a great option off the bench for the last 20 minutes against Chelsea, but he can't accept that's his role at 37. If ETH can get him to accept that, I'd happily see him stay as he will win you an odd game here and there.

For Keane, it all sounded a little personal on Saturday. It was like he was seeing some mirror images to the end of his own career and his view that he was treated unfairly. For me, it just boils down to the fact that we don't have the quality to carry Ronaldo for that one or two chances we can create for him. It's not disrespect, just the harsh reality.
 
eire-red said:
He was right in the sense that you can't hang your hat on Rashford, and Ronaldo if playing every game would probably be our top goalscorer.

But Neville and Hasselbaink were right (and I hate to admit Hasselbaink is right), Ronaldo doesn't give enough to deserve being in the team right now.

Keane's comments are like "If you put Ronaldo in that team today and the game went exactly as it did but with him on the end of the chances, he would have scored". OK, fair enough. But the counter argument is that if Ronaldo is in the team, we don't play well, so the argument is too conditional.

I do think Keane is right that this doesn't have to be the end for Ronaldo. Players down the years have done similar at both United and other clubs, and have come back. The real problem is that Ronaldo is a Europa League player and an impact sub right now. He would have been a great option off the bench for the last 20 minutes against Chelsea, but he can't accept that's his role at 37. If ETH can get him to accept that, I'd happily see him stay as he will win you an odd game here and there.

For Keane, it all sounded a little personal on Saturday. It was like he was seeing some mirror images to the end of his own career and his view that he was treated unfairly. For me, it just boils down to the fact that we don't have the quality to carry Ronaldo for that one or two chances we can create for him. It's not disrespect, just the harsh reality.
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I have seen nothing to suggest that would be true this season. Rashford doesn't score enough but he get to the chances unlike Ronaldo.
He might do good/better in another league, but the PL is too strong and fast for him.
 
GreatDane said:
I have seen nothing to suggest that would be true this season. Rashford doesn't score enough but he get to the chances unlike Ronaldo.
He might do good/better in another league, but the PL is too strong and fast for him.
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When Keane was saying 'Ronaldo scores those Rashford chances' it's like blacking out all the chances Ronaldo has already missed this season. He isn't fast enough to be in the gaps Rashford is. End of the day we need a new striker, but right now I'd rather see a left winger play there ahead of Ronaldo, and so does the manager. You'd maybe bend the rules if Ronaldo was 10 years younger, he isn't, he's not worth it and every other club in the entire world thought as much this summer too.
 
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