Roy Keane

poleglass red said:
yes your right, but point remains, Keane still played in a team that accomodated Eric's lack of workrate
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Football’s changed since then, a lot.

And thus, relatively, Ronaldo offers less now than Cantona did then.

But that’s just an example really on my thoughts on Keane these days.

That whole picking on players for having an IG presence and or / having a flamboyant haircut etc while often offering literally no tactical insight as a pundit is just so reductive and tedious.

He obviously plays up his personality as a pundit, but it just bores me. Offer some insight ffs, people care what you think, say something interesting.
 
We didn't bring CR7 back to win FA-Cups, Carabao cups or whatever. As Carragher said our club must have the title as the ultimate goal and of course CR7 would play a key role in acheiving that. So I reckon Keano, as good a pundit as he is, got that one wrong.
 
poleglass red said:
yes your right, but point remains, Keane still played in a team that accomodated Eric's lack of workrate
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The idea that Eric didn’t work is nonsense. He tackled. He bullied centre halves. He ran channels. He defended corners.

He had a demeanour that suggested he was a luxury but he didn’t swan around. He was indulged for his eccentricity. But he trained hard. He played hard. People conflate lots of things with him.
 
UnrelatedPsuedo said:
The idea that Eric didn’t work is nonsense. He tackled. He bullied centre halves. He ran channels. He defended corners.

He had a demeanour that suggested he was a luxury but he didn’t swan around. He was indulged for his eccentricity. But he trained hard. He played hard. People conflate lots of things with him.
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the one thing he wasn't, was a luxury, the amount of goals in big games he scored, automatically dispells that nonsense. Eric wasn't a workhorse, didn't need to be, he was their for his goals and creativity and the team accomodated his lack of workrate. Did he tackle, of course he did, be hard not to at any time on the pitch, but he wasn't a workhorse in the mold of a Tevez or Rooney. I'm not knocking him, massive Cantona fan, but like Ronaldo in his first spell, we factored in their lack of tracking back etc to benefit from their skill.
 


Watched this game a bit back and Everton players were winding him up all game and trying to get him sent off. Thought he played really well though and gave as good as he got. Can you imagine a player on the receiving end of a tackle like this nowadays?
 
Was watching this and it occurred to me that Iniesta is maybe the right comparison for Keane.

Obviously Iniesta played in a 3 and Keane a 2 so Iniesta was wider and a bit higher up, but they both typified their regions' football, were calmer short passers than damn near anyone around, scored basically every 10 games but ran games (Keane with his ball carrying and tackling, Iniesta by keeping the ball under pressure and both with reliable passing). You wouldn't mistake one for the other obviously watching a game, but they both won the treble and tons of leagues by being better at the same style of play most everyone else in their position in their league was playing and ensuring their team won the midfield battle.

 
horsechoker said:
He's gone soft.

Old Roy Keane would have booted that little kid in the face and then punched everyone on his way through the crowd
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First of all the guy is no kid. He's taller, he seems heavier and he's younger then Roy is. Secondly you don't know what type of upbringing and training that guy has and if he's surrounded by his mates. Finally Roy Keane is 50 years old. He was a professional player and had trained boxing which is a plus however he had his fair share of injuries as well. Evander Holyfield was probably the best boxer of his generation and he got toyed with lately in a professional exhibition.

If Keane engaged into a fight and he ends up properly beaten then he risk getting injured. Not to forget that his persona as a hard man would be ruined forever.
 
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I think he's well liked by the Sunderland fanbase still, could be a good move for him, albeit in a lower league.

On a side note, i can never find United vs Liverpool 1999, the 2-2 match online on youtube :mad: . Would like to see Keane and Ince battle it out in that one again; Keane was phenomenal in the 2-1 FA cup game at OT.
 
If he gets the job good luck to him. Still I will miss him as a pundit.
 
It could be a great opportunity for him to show he has learned a few lessons and can adapt to managing modern footballers. If he can, he could do a great job there.
 
I'd love to see it happen. I reckon they'd be getting the same Roy who left, and it looks like they may know that anyway.
 
galwayfa said:
Micah as assistant
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Was hoping he'd get the Celtic job last summer, League One would be a bit of a shame. If he goes there, I hope he proves the doubters wrong. I think he has it in him to at least be a good manager.
 
Be interesting to see if he can do a good job.

He could always bring Micah with him as the good cop.
 
I really really hope it goes well, especially as Sunderland was the only place he really did well as a manger, so it could ruin his legacy there a bit... I just can't see it working though...
 
Out of our ex-players in the last 20 years or so, he's been our only ex-player who has had a half decent spell as a manager - winning a championship winners medal a decade and a half back.... I'd listen to him any day over the United DNA brigade of Evra, Ferdinand, Scholes. He's definitely toned down and has realized he is no longer the hotshot he thought he was - and is instead considered a dinosaur in the game. I hope this helps him turn things around, become successful and win back his reputation again.
 
I always thought he would make a decent manager had it not been for his rather difficult personality unfit for the modern times, good luck captain, has my best wishes.
 
Bastian said:
Was hoping he'd get the Celtic job last summer, League One would be a bit of a shame. If he goes there, I hope he proves the doubters wrong. I think he has it in him to at least be a good manager.
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He's had chances already to prove that and blown them.
 
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