Roy Keane

Roy Keane is the best man to manage Man Utd, but that won't happen as long as Fergoe is upstairs. Keane knows how and when to crack the whip on the big egos in the team, and how to get the best out of underperformers. It's just unfortunate that Keane will never work with Fergie again.
 
Roy Keane is the best man to manage Man Utd, but that won't happen as long as Fergoe is upstairs. Keane knows how and when to crack the whip on the big egos in the team, and how to get the best out of underperformers. It's just unfortunate that Keane will never work with Fergie again.

What?! He fell out with the entire Ireland set up and him and O'Neill had them playing awful football.

He's had chances as a manager and done nothing. He's had chances as an assistant and done nothing. His only track record, since retirement, is being a gobshite and starting fights. He did that as a player as well but at least he was a good enough player that it was overlooked.
 
I’m hoping he kills it there. Also always good to have one of our own at Sunderland as they take on a few of our players on loans or permanent so nice to have that pipeline reestablished.
 
What?! He fell out with the entire Ireland set up and him and O'Neill had them playing awful football.

He's had chances as a manager and done nothing. He's had chances as an assistant and done nothing. His only track record, since retirement, is being a gobshite and starting fights. He did that as a player as well but at least he was a good enough player that it was overlooked.

He had a decent spell at Sunderland, to be fair.
 
Out of our ex-players in the last 20 years or so, he's been our only ex-player who has had a half decent spell as a manager - winning a championship winners medal a decade and a half back.... I'd listen to him any day over the United DNA brigade of Evra, Ferdinand, Scholes. He's definitely toned down and has realized he is no longer the hotshot he thought he was - and is instead considered a dinosaur in the game. I hope this helps him turn things around, become successful and win back his reputation again.
True. Wayne seems to be doing well at Derby though it's still early days. Was listening to his assistant's interview on the BBC daily podcast yesterday, and it all sounded quite positive, in terms of his tactical knowledge and man management skills. I always thought, of our players, he'd be the one likely to do well as a manager so I'm curious to see how his career develops.
 
He's had chances already to prove that and blown them.

You mean after doing well at Sunderland, by most measures, he failed at Ipswich and that's that? I disagree.
 
He had a decent spell at Sunderland, to be fair.

Decent is downplaying it. Taking over the side at the bottom of the table, winning the league and then having a very solid first year in the top flight is no mean feat.

I’m absolutely not advocating for him here, just saying that he did very well at Sunderland
 
You mean after doing well at Sunderland, by most measures, he failed at Ipswich and that's that? I disagree.

He had an awful spell at Ireland with O'Neill. Given his profile and if his record, in your opinion, isn't that bad, why then has nobody given him a chance? Could it be owners, staff, etc have seen how he interacts with people and don't want him anywhere near their club? The way he behaved in the Ireland camp was genuinely disgraceful. The stuff he said about Walters and his mum was disgraceful. The guys a gobshite. No club in their right mind would be hiring him. That it's a 25 year old billionaire looking for a shot of nostalgia tells you everything.
 
He had an awful spell at Ireland with O'Neill. Given his profile and if his record, in your opinion, isn't that bad, why then has nobody given him a chance? Could it be owners, staff, etc have seen how he interacts with people and don't want him anywhere near their club? The way he behaved in the Ireland camp was genuinely disgraceful. The stuff he said about Walters and his mum was disgraceful. The guys a gobshite. No club in their right mind would be hiring him. That it's a 25 year old billionaire looking for a shot of nostalgia tells you everything.

I think it's fair to say you've made your mind up about him :lol:

In terms of managerial ability - there are two managerial spells to judge from. One was mainly successful, the other not. I don't think it makes sense to evaluate his managerial ability on his role as an assistant. If that were the case, quite a few assistants at OT would have become successful managers. Logic doesn't hold.

Contrary to yourself, I really like Keane and I hope he does well.
 
That alone should not be enough to get the Utd job. And everything since then has been diminishing returns. The dude is washed.

Obviously.

Decent is downplaying it. Taking over the side at the bottom of the table, winning the league and then having a very solid first year in the top flight is no mean feat.

I’m absolutely not advocating for him here, just saying that he did very well at Sunderland

Aye, absolutely.
 
I think it's fair to say you've made your mind up about him :lol:

In terms of managerial ability - there are two managerial spells to judge from. One was mainly successful, the other not. I don't think it makes sense to evaluate his managerial ability on his role as an assistant. If that were the case, quite a few assistants at OT would have become successful managers. Logic doesn't hold.

Contrary to yourself, I really like Keane and I hope he does well.

I have. He was a great player but I feel he's a rotten person. Even his punditry, which people find bizarrely entertaining, amounts to nothing more than a 50yo man with a chip on his shoulder, calling young players weak or cowardly. It's never sat right with me, stuff like that sticks.

Ignoring his assistant experience is bizarre. It's two sides of the same coin.
 
True. Wayne seems to be doing well at Derby though it's still early days. Was listening to his assistant's interview on the BBC daily podcast yesterday, and it all sounded quite positive, in terms of his tactical knowledge and man management skills. I always thought, of our players, he'd be the one likely to do well as a manager so I'm curious to see how his career develops.

I think what happened to Roy Keane is a major lesson to many players evolving into managers. Whatever has followed since his promotion at Sunderland has been his own undoing. Brash attitude, corrosive demenour, constantly bickering with people above him for petty issues and making that public, isolating players in the name of being strict etc. There was a point where I honestly thought he'd be replacing Sir.Alex - and all of this went down the drain in 2 seasons. He's still at an age where he can recover and do well if he understands what he did wrong and corrects them. As far as footballing brains go, there are very few people smarter than him - and this was never his limitation.
 
I have. He was a great player but I feel he's a rotten person. Even his punditry, which people find bizarrely entertaining, amounts to nothing more than a 50yo man with a chip on his shoulder, calling young players weak or cowardly. It's never sat right with me, stuff like that sticks.

Ignoring his assistant experience is bizarre. It's two sides of the same coin.

You can't evaluate what his input is as an assistant, whereas as a manager he's fully responsible for everything. I won't try to debate our subjective takes on his punditry or various adventures.
 
Not that i'd have any clue, but i would have thought being a Sky pundit paid more than managing a league one side.
 
I hope he smashes it.

Also, don't agree that he fell out with the entire Irish squad. He called out a couple of spoofers who weren't committed, but there were more players appreciated the work he did as Assistant than didn't.
 
You can't evaluate what his input is as an assistant, whereas as a manager he's fully responsible for everything. I won't try to debate our subjective takes on his punditry or various adventures.

Ha! It's on record and widely reported that he was a disaster in the Ireland camp.
 
I think he's well liked by the Sunderland fanbase still, could be a good move for him, albeit in a lower league.

On a side note, i can never find United vs Liverpool 1999, the 2-2 match online on youtube :mad: . Would like to see Keane and Ince battle it out in that one again; Keane was phenomenal in the 2-1 FA cup game at OT.
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Ha! It's on record and widely reported that he was a disaster in the Ireland camp.

As many have said he was decent in the role though. Walters seems to be just like Keane in that neither of them come out of it with much credit, and both of them have chips on their shoulder. Walters going on Soccer AM saying he wasn't afraid of Keane was toe curling.

Keane might have mellowed with age, which might factor into the Sunderland board's thinking.

There's no question he is a risk though, which is why he is being linked to a third division side.

If nothing else it should be fascinating if it happens.
 
What?! He fell out with the entire Ireland set up and him and O'Neill had them playing awful football.

He's had chances as a manager and done nothing. He's had chances as an assistant and done nothing. His only track record, since retirement, is being a gobshite and starting fights. He did that as a player as well but at least he was a good enough player that it was overlooked.
That’s unfair. He won the championship with Sunderland who were rock bottom when he took over. Then he kept them up.
All this seems to have been forgotten .He was actually showing great promise at Sunderland.
 
That’s unfair. He won the championship with Sunderland who were rock bottom when he took over. Then he kept them up.
All this seems to have been forgotten .He was actually showing great promise at Sunderland.

How dare you use facts in the face of blind narrative
 
I have. He was a great player but I feel he's a rotten person. Even his punditry, which people find bizarrely entertaining, amounts to nothing more than a 50yo man with a chip on his shoulder, calling young players weak or cowardly. It's never sat right with me, stuff like that sticks.

Ignoring his assistant experience is bizarre. It's two sides of the same coin.

I think he comes across as a thoroughly decent guy who has high standards when it comes to professional football. Saying he is a rotten person just seems ridiculous to me because he clearly isn't.
 
I think he comes across as a thoroughly decent guy who has high standards when it comes to professional football. Saying he is a rotten person just seems ridiculous to me because he clearly isn't.

The stuff he said about Jon Walters was beyond the pale. No decent person takes a swipe like that in a public forum.

Calling players weak or cowardly on TV isn't the mark of a decent person.

The hardman persona is the only thing he has these days. Without it Sky, or whoever, would just roll out some other ex-player to sit alongside Souness and sneer at people. He's not giving tactical insights.
 
What?! He fell out with the entire Ireland set up and him and O'Neill had them playing awful football.

He's had chances as a manager and done nothing. He's had chances as an assistant and done nothing. His only track record, since retirement, is being a gobshite and starting fights. He did that as a player as well but at least he was a good enough player that it was overlooked.
Not only was he just an assistant for Ireland, but a national squad set-up and managerial approach are fundamentally different from those of a club. I hope that one day he will have the chance to manage a big club particularly United, because I'm convinced he has the managerial talent. I acknowledge that he is a rough grinding stone who doesn't receive many party invitations, but that's precisely what the current United squad need to deliver. I can understand why Sunderland are back for him, he did a near-miracle in his first season there and that's not an easy division to succeed.
 
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I wish him all the best. I don't see him as a top manager but he can go into an underperforming squad, crack the whip and hopefully get them working hard. He'll need the right characters though...
 
I wish him all the best. I don't see him as a top manager but he can go into an underperforming squad, crack the whip and hopefully get them working hard. He'll need the right characters though...
I think he is ideal for what Sunderland want, he's not ideal for the top level where even shite players have the option to jump ship. Imagine Roy managing Pogba?

He'll have a group of lads that will be used to the tough love form of management, he'll get them organised and they will work. I'd love to see him bring in John O'Shea as assistant.
 
Best of luck to him,top bloke.
Hope he smashes it and becomes a MUTD candidate :devil:
 
Would never have thought he’d have gone back to management. It’s probably an ideal level for him at the lower level with his old school approach. Him at a Premier League outfit would alienate the squad within a month.

It‘d be interesting to see who would work as coaches with the Mr. Grumpy Man of British football.
 


Roy was talking about Agbonlahor at min 50.


Says it all about some of these players having a moan they cant convert chances. Youre a professional forward on how many pounds a week and youre complaining you need more chances to score?

You hear the United players talk about Ruud and Van Persie being absolutely clinical in training sessions. Sure Agbonlahor isnt of their caliber but Christ on a bike..
 
He's doing punditry on ITV.

Says the contract with Sunderland would have to be right and we'll see what happens over the next few days with a wry smile.

Safe to say its on. Good luck to him.