He does. He was whining to Gary Neville about how he is not getting a look in. Neville suggested he should probably network to which Keane made an admittedly hilarious remark about Instagram. You should watch it, it's not just fun, it would also stop you from calling things BS before you know what you are talking about.
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The Ronaldo argument was a nonsense but I was pleasantly surprised at him calling out the nepotism at the club. Shame it didn't come earlier when it could have really helped get some eyes on it and put some pressure on. Now with Rangnick it should hopefully be less of an issue.
I know what I’m talking about alright. Probably the greatest player I have seen play for United and I am supporting the club since 68.
I couldn’t care less what he says on Sky or any other channel.
Whining ? Seems to me all the whining is done on this forum.
We were 1 nil up but could easily have been 2 or 3 down. But for Ronaldo we would be out of the CL. Fact.
My point was about Keane talking nonsense rather than having a dig at Ronaldo
Keane can talk all the nonsense he likes ffs.It’s TV, it’s Sky.
Tonight Carra tweeted “ no leagues for me but Sky like my opinions”.
Tragic.Talk about lack of self awareness!
I think that was a dig at what Rio said earlier
What did Rio say ?
Skysports punditry is similar to any other reality type show: It is all about snide comments and confrontation and reaction...take it for what it is guys until it gets serious;
https://www.google.com/search?q=cas...ate=ive&vld=cid:4571450d,vid:FrZerquOC30,st:0
https://www.google.com/search?q=cas...ate=ive&vld=cid:4571450d,vid:FrZerquOC30,st:0
Carragher has no right to talk about winning leagues, he hasn't done it so doesn't know what it takes, when he starts talking about winning leagues I mute him.
Or something like that.
Yep it was.Who gives a fcuk!
The idea of Roy Keane networking at a convention of unemployed football managers with a little name tag on has brought me great joy.
got to say I am with Keane on this, Ronaldo would have had to have his best ever season for us to win the title this year, Thought there was more chance of winning the CL to be honest, Would play every game for me as well as long as hes fit, stats don't really back up that he never presses either, add in under Ole we barely pressed anyway as a team. in the summer we needed a goalscorer and we got one of the best about, Cavani was never going to score enough goals for us, Greenwood would have been our only hope of a forward getting us 20 odd goals. squad is again at a cross roads despite spending a fortune its still littered with average players and ones who really shouldn't be here. Sancho now starting to show a bit of what he can do and expect him to improve massively under Rangnick, Varane just seems another disaster, had one good game and been average the few other's he has actually played and been injured the rest, which is really a surprise no one when you look at his record.
This is very relevant here:
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...lf-rangnick-ronaldo-and-the-pressing-question
(see the lower half)
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...lf-rangnick-ronaldo-and-the-pressing-question
(see the lower half)
So you've been shown wrong in your comments about Keane as a pundit, you even admitted to not watching his punditry, but you know what you're talking about @Theonas (who did express his respect for Keane as a player) is the one who's wrong here. Alright then.
We havent won any of the games that Ronaldo has started on the bench
We were also winning both games before he entered the pitch
It would make a hilarious comedy skit. One of those football impersonators should do it. Comedy gold that.
Bite me.
And were playing like shit. The Wolves and Southampton games were also shite.
Anyone thinking Ronaldo is the problem or even part of the problem are delusional and buying into a lazy narrative.
We have played shit with and without Ronaldo.
I didn't even say that but this idea that he has to play every game is clearly a falsehood
I think saying there's an argument he should start every game is a falsehood. Is anybody really saying that?
I can't imagine anyone thinks he should be playing all the time. I'm guessing everybody would want him rested against Young Boys for instance.
That was Keane's point. There are times to rest him. Chelsea aint one of them.
Well a dead rubber Champions League game isn't much of a concession at all. Prior to Young Boys we will have played 5 games in 15 days, prior to that Ronaldo played multiple games in the international break. It's just not feasible to play all of them, and he's far more likely to make an impact against the lesser teams.
As I outlined earlier, it's really not a big deal, especially when we've been getting pasted every week. We don't have enough of a structure around Ronaldo to facilitate him in these big games yet. Even if we did there shouldn't be the circus around it Keane was creating. It's a team game, it isn't all about Ronaldo.
There were similar levels of outrage when he was on the bench vs Everton too. This isn't just a Chelsea thing.
Everybody's more likely to make an impact against the lower teams.
But in anycase nobody is arguing he should play every game. I haven't seen anyone saying that anyway. Keane definitely wasn't.
Exactly. And that's not to say it's Ronaldo's fault we didn't win those games, but that we're not always better off just because he's playing. We don't need him near as much as people think. We scored plenty before he got here. Now we have him and he's scored a few and the goals have dried up for some of the others.
And yet somehow we were worse when he came on. I'm not saying that's his fault necessarily, but the fact that we can be winning games without him, and be playing shite and losing points with him on the pitch suggests that the real lazy narrative is that at 36 we have to start him in every game all the time because "he might nick a goal".
The "fact"? So you pull a fact out of your behind like that and label the rest lazy narrative?
We're not winning games without Ronaldo that's ridiculous. Anyone who knows anything about the game can see how disjointed we are when he's not in the team -- worse infact.
This is the same crap we heard at Juve . Ronaldo held them back and now they're what position again?
You’ll need to explain what fact you take issue with there rather than just label anything you don’t like as shite talk.
We were winning the two games that Ronaldo didn’t start, Ronaldo came on we ended up not winning those games. Yet people say the issue there was that Ronaldo didn’t start those games. Sorry lad but if you’re in agreement with that then your the one talking out his backside.
Ronaldo isn’t necessarily a problem, but always starting him isn’t always the solution either. And right now we’re no better off than we were this time last year without him.
You're talking us winning as facts. It is not factual we would have won. It is factual we were ahead but to use that to prove anything is twisting/framing for bad faith arguments. We played like shite against Everton and improved with Ronaldo and Pogba.
Chelsea could have easily had more goals as well they were dominating in every statistic well before Ronaldo came on.
Lazy analysis at its finest but go on. What about all the "factual" winners Ronaldo has actually scored? Or is it then Ronaldo bailing us out of a problem he created ?
You're talking us winning as facts. It is not factual we would have won. It is factual we were ahead but to use that to prove anything is twisting/framing for bad faith arguments. We played like shite against Everton and improved with Ronaldo and Pogba.
Chelsea could have easily had more goals as well they were dominating in every statistic well before Ronaldo came on.
Lazy analysis at its finest but go on. What about all the "factual" winners Ronaldo has actually scored? Or is it then Ronaldo bailing us out of a problem he created ?
No I’m not. You’ve got it all backwards lad. I’m not saying we would have won those games. I’m saying those two games in particular are terrible examples to suggest, as many have done, that we needed him…given the simple fact that we were winning without him and went on to lose so worse with him. And I don’t think he improved us when he came on, while obviously you do so we’ll just have to disagree there.
I don’t know where you stand but some people seem to think we need to start him in every game. I don’t. As I said before, we’re no better off than we were this time last year for having him here. His numbers are ok, while other players are worse. And our results and are at best as good as this time last year.
It's not like there's a different Ronaldo on wednesdays. He's proven there that he can be the difference. Ronaldo is not an influential midfielder that comes on and starts creating choices but he is someone who can make something out of nothing or get a goal when stuff isn't working for us at all.
The games he came on was the right idea, but it didn't happen. Doesn't mean he shouldn't have come on. No he doesn't need to start every game but yes to every game like Chelsea or Everton. Rest him for other teams.
Great player. Ok Boomer pundit.
Ronaldo is not the problem and the reason we are worse off now than last season is mainly down to Bruno playing terrible pretty much all season.
I have even see people trying to blame Ronaldo for that too which is nonsense, Bruno just hasn't performed to his standards and it has cost us
What the feck does that even mean?
I agree with your overall point, although we are better off this season in the champions league and that’s largely down to Ronaldo. He seems to thrive in those games in particular.
It means that Keane was a great player, and as a pundit constantly pushes out of touch, ‘hardline Dad’ opinions that mainly are just guff and bare no relevance over the current reality of football - often contradicting himself in the process.
Ole’s United lose - ‘Football’s a team game, everyone must work hard’.
New Utd draw against top of league Chelsea - ‘It doesn’t matter if Ronaldo doesn’t work hard, you play him’.
And so on.
he said the same about Cantona in fairness in the past. Like any rule there are exceptions. When you have truly special players you sometimes have to make those exceptions, he did when he captained teams with both players in it, as did Fergie who picked the teams. Keane has many faults but I wouldn't be too hard on him on this one.
Was he the Captain when Cantona was here? I thought Eric was the Captain and Keane took over after Eric left?
yes your right, but point remains, Keane still played in a team that accomodated Eric's lack of workrate