So true. it seems unique to liverpool that their foreign players and managers come in and do this to this degree.
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So true. it seems unique to liverpool that their foreign players and managers come in and do this to this degree.
Setting up like that was the only way we were getting anything today. We’ve had nothing but abject misery at Anfield for years, and if Ten Hag had us playing any other way with the squad he could select we’d have ended up on the end of another hiding.
Van Dijk has always been an arrogant tosser, and I’m glad Roy responded to his nonsense.
Yes, this is what I was trying to convey but perhaps not worded clearly. He is correct in not speaking fondly of us due to the lack of quality and desire that should be on show when playing for United.
So every team that isn’t good enough to dominate the ball doesn’t want to win. It’s such a warped perspective I’m not sure where to begin to pull it apart from. To put it simply, teams that set up defensively do so because they feel that’s the most likely method for them to win the game.
Also IF what VVD is correct - it isn’t, you’re giving him far too much credit - then what Keane said about arrogance and 1 league title in 30 years is definitely true.
When teams do this to us we are usually described as poor, while the team keeping us out are lauded for a "brilliant" performance.
It’s the Klopp special from VVD. If other teams decide to play to their own strengths to get the best possible result, they get rattled. It’s so small time.
Love this from Roy
Yeah, and Liverpool were pretty poor today.
disagree. It definitely looked like United was far happier with the point than Liverpool.
VVD has always been a massive sore loser just like Klopp.
Roy Keane is absolutely right and we still have finished above them in 3 of the last seasons despite being an incompetently run club. And liverpools only title in the last two decades was the covid season playing in empty stadiums.
Roy Keane is absolutely right and we still have finished above them in 3 of the last seasons despite being an incompetently run club. And liverpools only title in the last two decades was the covid season playing in empty stadiums.
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He was spot on. Called it like it was.
I genuinely don't think any top manager goes into a game with a plan and a team that they don't believe can win the game.
If Hojlund slots that between Alisson's legs, it's the perfect away performance. I think the notion of "playing for the draw" is nonsense. Like, do you really think these managers are where they are in their careers by not believing what they are doing can win every game?
United had opportunities to counter, they just did it badly. That's not a lack of ambition, it's bad execution. We did keep playing it out from the back despite the risks. That seems to qualify as "going for it".
That is be true because we're competing for top 4 and they're competing for the title and the fame was at Anfield. A point for us is better than a point for them. That doesn't mean they deserved to win though.
That is be true because we're competing for top 4 and they're competing for the title and the fame was at Anfield. A point for us is better than a point for them. That doesn't mean they deserved to win though.
Roy is spot on.
I've been thinking about this recently. I think the big difference between United now and Liverpool all through the 90's and most of the 00's is that we know we're shite. We want better from our club, owners, players etc but we know we're shite. We aren't under some illusion we are still the best team based on what we done a decade ago, thinking we're still the best. Constantly harping on about 99 and 08. Yeah we can look back at those years fondly but we don't continously smear it in the face of rivals like Liverpool fans (in my vicinity) did through all their barren years.
Absolutely brilliant of Keane to put it out like that; one title in 30 years is keek no matter how you look at it.
Absolutely brilliant of Keane to put it out like that; one title in 30 years is keek no matter how you look at it.
I slightly wish we were as delusional as Pool fans were for many years. The main difference though is that we were the dominant force whereas Liverpool have been massively toppled by City in their recent period of better success. Wouldn’t think that from the way their players talk. Finished comfortably below us last year and playing in the Europa but talking as though they’re THE scalp around.
I said as I was watching the match when they had an early corner and he was doing some weird facial expressions and body movements that he looked like an arrogant prick, then he goes and talks like one, so Roy was just saying it as it is.
That was strange, like mocking out players. Seems a big cnut
What are you disagreeing with? Of course United are far happier with the point. No one is suggesting otherwise.
Glad he put VVD in his place
I think he was spot on. I’m in general fed up with people trashing United and I’m first to remind my friends that Liverpool won one title in 30 years and Arsenal haven’t won it for 20 years. Our club isn’t the best place at the moment, it’s true, but it’s surely the biggest schadenfreude effect in sports practice.
Please look what post I am quoting. the person reacted to someone else saying what VVD said was largely true (including who was happier with the draw).
Then the user responded: It wasn't (true).
I just said what VVD was largely correct.
Did Liverpool deserve the win? I'd argue more than United, but the draw was pretty justified. Good defending by United
Selah! Love me my Keano always (almost).
That was just glorious by Keano.
They aren't United fans if they are siding with that Liverpool cnut.
Well in Roy lad well in.
Stupid arrogant Van Dyke.
Stupid arrogant Van Dyke.
Ah the famous xG. Always love it when people 'watch' games through xG instead of actually watching the game.
Great from Keano!
Fantastic reply to 'arrogant' VVD.
Love him!
Fantastic reply to 'arrogant' VVD.
Love him!
Yeah Van Dijk was definitely trying to be derogatory. Not sure why Sturridge and Dave were trying to make out he wasn’t. Van dijk is arrogant in general. I think Keane is from the era of looking at yourself rather than trying to deflect and take cheap shots at the opposition.
VVD has been a monumental wank stain since the hype train went crazy after his move to the scousers.
He should have made the prawn sandwich brigade comment about the atmosphere which decidedly flat at Anfield.
I'd Agree with Keane on this one.. what does VVD want a team to do... ? Leave them score , Onana has done enough of those in the CL already.
VVD ..who the feck does he think he is, Beckenbauer .. ??
VVD ..who the feck does he think he is, Beckenbauer .. ??
Strange comment. Surely the whole point of tactics is to negate the strengths of opponents. Hence playing differently against different teams. Also commenting that if we'd tried to go for it more they could have countered, the whole idea of counter attacking is allowing a team that dominates possession as Liverpool do is to hit them on the counter when you win the ball back after they've pushed forward. Them not getting to counter attack is down to their own tactics not ours. Finally they did get a few counter attacks anyway and they did noting with them
Sour grapes from VVD. The reality is United were coming to Anfield after having not scored there for several years and being on the end of multiple beatings. That's before we get to the fact that our squad is severely depleted and our form is at rock bottom. What does he want us to do? Play like prime Barca?
United came with a plan and we got something out of the game. Could have even won it.
United came with a plan and we got something out of the game. Could have even won it.
Exactly.
VVD "There was only one team trying to win the game"......
There is no professional team that ever does not try and win a game, it is just a case of using the available resources in the best way possible to give the best chance of winning that game. If that means prioritising not conceding over attacking it does to mean you are not trying to win, it means that you believe your best chance with the resources available and the scenario you are in, is to not concede a goal and get a possible winner on the counter or a set play. The contingency in such an approach is that you may not get many chances and not score but by not conceding you get a point which is better than being slaughtered 7-0.
SAF played defensive when he thought it gave the team the best chance of winning e.g. Arsenal 2002
Van Dick must think he's part of the glorious Dutch team of the 80s... seems to have delusions of being Koeman, de Boer or Rijkaard... when he's a toy f*cking soldier by comparison. A long way up his own @rse. Keano was brilliant
XG is a load of shit.
Yea, Liverpool had a lot of shots. But a good portion were all from range with a bit of a shoot-on-sight mentality. All those little 0.1 and 0.2 XG’s add up to give a false number.
While we had far less shots, outside of Van Dijks header, from what I could see with my own eyes (not stupid stats), it looked like ours were higher quality and a higher likelihood of being a goal.
Yea, Liverpool had a lot of shots. But a good portion were all from range with a bit of a shoot-on-sight mentality. All those little 0.1 and 0.2 XG’s add up to give a false number.
While we had far less shots, outside of Van Dijks header, from what I could see with my own eyes (not stupid stats), it looked like ours were higher quality and a higher likelihood of being a goal.
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Tbh this just makes me think how sweet it would have been if we had ratted a late winner. Imagine the scouse hysteria.
We've had plenty of games over the years where we have had all the possession but we're toothless in breaking down a stubborn defence, and then we concede to a late counter attack.
We've had plenty of games over the years where we have had all the possession but we're toothless in breaking down a stubborn defence, and then we concede to a late counter attack.