Rooney - Wants to stay next season

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Re the beach photo. He's always looked that way. Tells us feck all about how fit he is, compared to previous seasons. Although you could argue that the fact he's always looked that way is why his career at the highest leve seems to be over far younger than the vast majority of his peers.

The evidence is there. Can't think of any footballer that lasted into his 30ies at the top level without being strict on his body.
I do, however, think that the reactions on here go overboard. As you've mentioned he doesn't look any fatter than he did 10 years ago. It's just never been really good enough.
 
Again this was in response to Fergie going public. If he didn't say anything at all, it would just lead to more rumors swirling around.
Were do you think the rumours started? And going public is going public.
 
Wayne...the future called - time to hit the gym!

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Can you explain the point of this to me?

We keep him and have a homegrown a squad player, or let him go and still pay him the full amount?

You're basically saying that we're actually better off paying him out instead of keeping him, because that seems crazy, regardless of how poor he has become.
We should never keep a player just for the sole reason they help us fulfill the homegrown quota. He takes up a space that should be someone else's. We can easily promote someone from the academy or sign other players. Quality of the bench could sometimes make or break season.
 
It's funny to imagine that people are unhappy with the photo. He is way past his peak, and has lost his legs. Pumping iron in the gym is not going to make a difference really.

In fact, it may be in his favour if we decide to terminate his contract and pay his salary upfront to him.
 
With all due respect this is bullshit and ignores context.
This is a player that's supposed to be fighting for his future.
How often do you see professional footballers looking like that.
Only one I can remember in the last few years is Higuain and he got a lot of shit for it.

Quite right. Also, just because he's on holiday, does he have to get fat and out of shape? That only means he will have to work that much harder to get back into shape.
 
We should never keep a player just for the sole reason they help us fulfill the homegrown quota. He takes up a space that should be someone else's. We can easily promote someone from the academy or sign other players. Quality of the bench could sometimes make or break season.

Um, we've got half a squad that's just taking up space at the moment!
 
Its certainly a possibility yes.

I for one don't buy into the "he's played a lot" or has "this type of body shape". Tevez is a perfect example of a very similar player who was able to maintain his physique much, much better. If you have a certain physique, then you just have to train harder and eat better.
 
We should never keep a player just for the sole reason they help us fulfill the homegrown quota. He takes up a space that should be someone else's. We can easily promote someone from the academy or sign other players. Quality of the bench could sometimes make or break season.
He's not taking up a space in the squad because there is no limit to the size of the squad. Just because we keep him under contract it doesnt mean he has to be registered as part of the CL squad, for example.
 
Quite right. Also, just because he's on holiday, does he have to get fat and out of shape? That only means he will have to work that much harder to get back into shape.
Isn't that his problem. He has to spend weeks getting into shape and up to speed. In the meantime another fitter player takes his place. Then he is sat on the bench losing his fitness, so never actually does get fit or up to speed. He needed to go somewhere else to get regular starts. He just doesn't seem bothered.
 
He's not taking up a space in the squad because there is no limit to the size of the squad. Just because we keep him under contract it doesnt mean he has to be registered as part of the CL squad, for example.
There's no reason to keep him though. He's a bad example to Rashford and the other youngsters.
 
We should never keep a player just for the sole reason they help us fulfill the homegrown quota. He takes up a space that should be someone else's. We can easily promote someone from the academy or sign other players. Quality of the bench could sometimes make or break season.
but your logic is very flawed.

What's the point in paying him just as much money to let him go and no longer have him available as opposed to keeping him. Why would we do that?

it's like having an employee at work who is a bit shit but stiill useful to have around, and instead of keeping them, paying them the rest of the contract to let them go. It makes no sense.

the only reason to let him go would be if he is detrimental to the squad, which he doesn't seem to be at all.
 
There are a number of factors arent there. If money was the only consideration youre right, China would be the obvious choice. But there is also the lifestyle factor, which China doesnt score well in. This is why for much of this season I have always suspected he'd go the MLS route: it scores well with both the money and lifestyle factors. Like baby bear's porridge, it isnt too salty and it isnt too sweet, it is just right.

Or so I thought. Seems like Rooney, unlike Goldilocks, likes his porridge sweet.
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If i had to take a wild guess, I'd say you are from states
 
Remember the picture of Pogba and Lukaku during their holidays last year?

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That's what footballers are supposed to look like pretty much all the time. They're athletes, after all. A short holiday isn't enough to turn anyone into a fat slob.
 
He's not taking up a space in the squad because there is no limit to the size of the squad. Just because we keep him under contract it doesnt mean he has to be registered as part of the CL squad, for example.
If he's not going to play we might as well get rid. Keeping him will mean pointless Rooney questions at every single pre and post presser and gives pundits another reason to give Jose stick. I love Rooney but he's a setting a bad example for the youngsters at this point.
 
If he's not going to play we might as well get rid. Keeping him will mean pointless Rooney questions at every single pre and post presser and gives pundits another reason to give Jose stick. I love Rooney but he's a setting a bad example for the youngsters at this point.
OK I see where you are coming from. I disagree, in the sense that I dont think Rooney questions in the press conferences or the "bad example" factor outweigh (if youll excuse the pun) the advantage of having a well-liked and highly experienced player who is still capable of scoring in the squad as emergency backup. And I dont think the pundits giving Mourinho stick thing is a factor at all, I think the commentariat pretty much unanimously accept he has handled him well thus far so I dont see why that would change next season (if there are journalists giving Mourinho stick for not playing Rooney forgive me, I just havent seen them.)

But fair play if you see it differently.
 
Isn't that his problem. He has to spend weeks getting into shape and up to speed. In the meantime another fitter player takes his place. Then he is sat on the bench losing his fitness, so never actually does get fit or up to speed. He needed to go somewhere else to get regular starts. He just doesn't seem bothered.

Seeing as United pay his wages, I'd say it's United's problem as well. United basically have a player on their hands who seems unwilling or incapable of getting fit, and he is on massive wages. There should be clauses in players' contracts to ensure they maintain a certain fitness level.
 
This is from 2010. I'm not saying that Rooney is anywhere close to being ready for the next season fitness wise but he's just never had a toned body. I also doubt anyone who ever saw him play in 2010 said that he didn't have the physique to be a pro footballer..
There's plenty of pictures of Ronaldo flexing if you have the need to see abs and muscle definition.



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Seeing as United pay his wages, I'd say it's United's problem as well. United basically have a player on their hands who seems unwilling or incapable of getting fit, and he is on massive wages. There should be clauses in players' contracts to ensure they maintain a certain fitness level.
I agree there should be a level of body fat that they should not go over and a weight gain clause.
 
This is from 2010. I'm not saying that Rooney is anywhere close to being ready for the next season fitness wise but he's just never had a toned body. I also doubt anyone who ever saw him play in 2010 said that he didn't have the physique to be a pro footballer..
There's plenty of pictures of Ronaldo flexing if you have the need to see abs and muscle definition.



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Tbf, he does look slightly leaner there.
 
Remember the picture of Pogba and Lukaku during their holidays last year?

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That's what footballers are supposed to look like pretty much all the time. They're athletes, after all. A short holiday isn't enough to turn anyone into a fat slob.

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This is from 2010. I'm not saying that Rooney is anywhere close to being ready for the next season fitness wise but he's just never had a toned body. I also doubt anyone who ever saw him play in 2010 said that he didn't have the physique to be a pro footballer..
There's plenty of pictures of Ronaldo flexing if you have the need to see abs and muscle definition.



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He should definitely rethink his choice of suncreme going by all these pics.
 
I agree there should be a level of body fat that they should not go over and a weight gain clause.

I think it's pretty much a mandatory rule that a player does not show up for training with a body-fat percentage in excess of, say, 12% (rough guess in truth) and if they do a fine is in order. A professional footballer with any sense of dignity and professionalism would remain well under that number in any case. Wayne Rooney does seem to have an unearthly shape about him in comparison to his peers, though, so perhaps allowances can be made to a degree, but certainly no more than 15% max.
 
Strange logic mate, not as long as some but longer than others. Some of the names you mentioned only had a few world class seasons themselves like Kaka or Ronaldiniho.

Rooney was world class, all this rewriting of history is just bitter bollocks. You would have done well to find a United fan who wouldn't have thought Rooney wasn't one of the worlds best players 6-7 years ago.
Aay but their world class seasons were miles ahead of most of Rooney's bar 2009/10 where I've said he was close to world class. Had he not gotten injured he'd have probably carried us to a league and further in the CL.

There are plenty in here who say he wasn't world class. You've admitted yourself he didn't reach the level of players who were world class. A few world class seasons like Kaka and Ronaldinho had are more than Rooney has, or ever will. As've said, he was almost world class but never reached the height. It's not rewriting of history, stop spewing defensive shit.
 
Silva and Mata pics
Fair enough, not all footballers are ripped, but Silva and Mata are players who rely on their sublime technique and understanding of the game rather than their physique. Same goes for Iniesta who also doesn't look like he does a lot of gym work.

Rooney however has always based his game around his immense work rate, strength and power, and somehow he still looks way less fit than even the players who look like they've never spent a day of their life in the gym.
 
He's always been like that, his strength and pace during his prime came from natural. But I must say he looks fatter in that pic. If only Rooney is willing to take care his body, he would have reach a much higher level than what he has done in his prime and he could have play as our starting eleven right now. Although, he was a brilliant player but I still don't think he ever reach his fully potential I think he has potential to go higher.
 
No wonder he's finished when he should be in his prime. He's been this way all his career, always coming back for pre-season out of shape.
 
Aay but their world class seasons were miles ahead of most of Rooney's bar 2009/10 where I've said he was close to world class. Had he not gotten injured he'd have probably carried us to a league and further in the CL.

There are plenty in here who say he wasn't world class. You've admitted yourself he didn't reach the level of players who were world class. A few world class seasons like Kaka and Ronaldinho had are more than Rooney has, or ever will. As've said, he was almost world class but never reached the height. It's not rewriting of history, stop spewing defensive shit.

There is now because theres a fair few who don't like him. But back when he was world class at his peak, you would have been hard pressed to find a United fan who didn't think he was world class.

But anyway it's a pointless discussion that will go around in circles.
 
Fair enough, not all footballers are ripped, but Silva and Mata are players who rely on their sublime technique and understanding of the game rather than their physique. Same goes for Iniesta who also doesn't look like he does a lot of gym work.

Rooney however has always based his game around his immense work rate, strength and power, and somehow he still looks way less fit than even the players who look like they've never spent a day of their life in the gym.

Mata looks pretty fit and ripped in that photo and actually looks to have put on some muscle lately.
 
He's always been like that, his strength and pace during his prime came from natural. But I must say he looks fatter in that pic. If only Rooney is willing to take care his body, he would have reach a much higher level than what he has done in his prime and he could have play as our starting eleven right now. Although, he was a brilliant player but I still don't think he ever reach his fully potential I think he has potential to go higher.

There's nothing natural about pace and power, it's all trained. Unless rooney was born a spartan, but he's not. Every top athlete in the world train for physical prowess.
 
I don't look at Rooney and think he's a state just because he hasn't got a six pack. There are plenty of athletes without a ripped body. The issue is more than he looks like a fat slob. When you add it to him looking out of breath when playing for us, and looking worse for wear than several retired players in Carrick's testimonial, you can only come to the conclusion that he's a lazy fecker who doesn't train hard enough. The man is a disgrace.
 
Even if there was a club willing to take him, I am not sure he would pass the medical. We should Terminate his contract
Fixed. He is payed to be a professional footballer, Carricks testimonial proved he cant do that any more.
Remember the picture of Pogba and Lukaku during their holidays last year?

PAY-Footballer-Paul-Pogba-Play-Basketball-Shirtless-In-Miami-Beach.jpg

That's what footballers are supposed to look like pretty much all the time. They're athletes, after all. A short holiday isn't enough to turn anyone into a fat slob.
Correct, but 10+ years of being an undisciplined glutenous lager lout will.
 
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