Rooney - Wants to stay next season

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No idea why I thought it'd be a good idea to view this thread at work.

Having a hard time explaining to a colleague why I'm sat here looking at half naked photos of Steve Bruce and Wayne Rooney.
 
Sky1981 said:
There's nothing natural about pace and power, it's all trained. Unless rooney was born a spartan, but he's not. Every top athlete in the world train for physical prowess.
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So if Mata trains hard enough he will become as fast as Rashford?
 
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AndyJ1985 said:
Are you implying 100m sprinters don't need to train or..?
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Yes Andy of course thats exactly what i am implying, for feck sake mate you seriously need to have a think sometimes before replying.

I'm not the one making ridiculous claims about pace not being natural, sprinters need to train to maintain their fitness and ability to sprint at such high speeds. But all sprinters start out naturally fast, so their training can give them a slight edge over other really fast guys.

Not all footballers are naturally fast though, so to claim someone's pace is the result of training is nonsense. If that were true there would be no slow footballers and yet there are.
 
The media and fans are part of the problem when it comes to his fitness as they always made excuses for his poor form or lack of fitness. If they had come down hard on Rooney from the beginning he may have developed a better work ethic but since his early days at Utd I heard them saying, including Fergie to be honest, that he needs a few games to recover his form after an injury or any break from the game.
His body type is just another excuse. Cut down your % body fat and do your sit-ups/ crunches.
 
K2K said:
That is his default post on anything Rooney related.

Best ignored.
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lol, thanks for the heads up.

Perhaps I don't know how United operates its finances at a granular level but I assume the operate under the same laws, rules and regulations as other business entities. I understand we would have to pay him his remaining contractual fees but he could easily come to an amicable arrangement with the Club but I guess you can't force someone to do right by the club.
 
Sky1981 said:
There's nothing natural about pace and power, it's all trained. Unless rooney was born a spartan, but he's not. Every top athlete in the world train for physical prowess.
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Some player born with some gift. And Rooney had the gift for his natural strength and pace in his younger days. He trains to utilise and maximise his gift so I never actually say he doesn't train. Go check Lukaku when he was a teenager. Don't tell me if it's not natural pace and strength.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
I thought a newspaper had said he was already back in training and really focused on proving he had a role at United. What training? What role? Hospitality manager?
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Seems it was all for show. A photo op of him 'training' and the nonsense probably from his agent about him coming in early to impress Jose with this supposed new 'work' ethic.

Did he really think no one would take pictures of him if he sneaked off on another holiday?

Surely he's given up and will just hang around as other clubs won't be impressed either. Hopefully Jose knows not to put him on the bench. He can collect his money without getting in the way of the other players and their chance to play.
 
Jazz said:
Seems it was all for show. A photo op of him 'training' and the nonsense probably from his agent about him coming in early to impress Jose with this supposed new 'work' ethic.
Did he really think no one would take pictures of him if he sneaked off on another holiday?
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Yeah it does seem quite daft that hes on holidays so soon after coming in for pre-season early.
 
PepsiCola said:
Are these supposed to be examples of players in bad shape?
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Yes. If pogba (and lukaku) is the model for all footballers

Red Stone said:
Fair enough, not all footballers are ripped, but Silva and Mata are players who rely on their sublime technique and understanding of the game rather than their physique. Same goes for Iniesta who also doesn't look like he does a lot of gym work.

Rooney however has always based his game around his immense work rate, strength and power, and somehow he still looks way less fit than even the players who look like they've never spent a day of their life in the gym.
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He has always been that way though. I remember my then girlfriend mentioned last september or so that Rooney looks thinner now than she remembers him.
 
I don't know how " oh he's always looked like that in the Summer" is any kind of excuse or defence.

Yeah he has often looked like that, and that's one of the reasons why he's absolutely fecking finished as a top level player at the age of 31.
 
Djemba-Djemba said:
I don't know how " oh he's always looked like that in the Summer" is any kind of excuse or defence.
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Who is doing that? People who are saying "He always looked like that" are just replying to people who are saying he should look ripped because he is a footballer.
No one is excitedly waiting to see him play in pre-season.
 
Mike09 said:
Some player born with some gift. And Rooney had the gift for his natural strength and pace in his younger days. He trains to utilise and maximise his gift so I never actually say he doesn't train. Go check Lukaku when he was a teenager. Don't tell me if it's not natural pace and strength.
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Rooney has the talent, it's the hard work that he's lacking

You can be a very good athlete by hard work alone, although to become messi/ronaldo/zlatan you need a lot of talent.

But while talent can't be trained, physical conditioning can.

Why is it so hard for rooney fanboy to accept that he's fat because of his lifestyle, with all the pics, the actual performance etc and rather come up with laughable excuse such as fat genes, people hate him because he a scouse, etc.
 
Sky1981 said:
There's nothing natural about pace and power, it's all trained. Unless rooney was born a spartan, but he's not. Every top athlete in the world train for physical prowess.
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As I understand it, pace is connected to having a certain kind of fast twitch muscle, which declines at a different rate depending on genetics and training. But the amount you have to start with is purely genetic.
 
Sky1981 said:
There's nothing natural about pace and power, it's all trained. Unless rooney was born a spartan, but he's not. Every top athlete in the world train for physical prowess.
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Not quite sure what you mean here.

Pace IS natural. You can train to improve it, but you'll never make up ground on someone born more talented in that department.

Rooney would never have become quicker than Walcott for example whatever level of training he put in.
 
glazed said:
As I understand it, pace is connected to having a certain kind of fast twitch muscle, which declines at a different rate depending on genetics and training. But the amount you have to start with is purely genetic.
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Completely this. I'm from a running background, and it's one of those accepted truths that you can train your aerobic fitness to almost infinite levels, but your anaerobic has a very limited trainability.

Very well observed when you ask someone without fast twitch muscle bias, what they find harder, running slower for longer, or trying to hit top paces for shorter!
 
Sandikan said:
Completely this. I'm from a running background, and it's one of those accepted truths that you can train your aerobic fitness to almost infinite levels, but your anaerobic has a very limited trainability.

Very well observed when you ask someone without fast twitch muscle bias, what they find harder, running slower for longer, or trying to hit top paces for shorter!
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That is all true but the other independent variable on speed is the number of burgers and cigars a footballer has.
 
Sandikan said:
Not quite sure what you mean here.

Pace IS natural. You can train to improve it, but you'll never make up ground on someone born more talented in that department.

Rooney would never have become quicker than Walcott for example whatever level of training he put in.
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I kind of see what your saying, but you've got 2 variables at play. You need to separate the two to draw a conclusion...

You've got the genetics, and you train.

You've not got the genetics, but you train.

You've got the genetics, but you don't train.

You've not got the genetics, and you don't train.
 
Djemba-Djemba said:
I don't know how " oh he's always looked like that in the Summer" is any kind of excuse or defence.

Yeah he has often looked like that, and that's one of the reasons why he's absolutely fecking finished as a top level player at the age of 31.
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Buy this man a pint. Most correct post I've ever read.
 
Looked a real mess in those photos that recently surfaced, we need to move him on whatever the cost but he's stuck on that fat pay cheque which no one is crazy enough to match.

Shows you how much we've changed since fergie, he would have sold Rooney long before the rot set in and avoided this less than ideal situation whilst getting a reasonable transfer fee.
 
MUFC OK said:
Looked a real mess in those photos that recently surfaced, we need to move him on whatever the cost but he's stuck on that fat pay cheque which no one is crazy enough to match.

Shows you how much we've changed since fergie, he would have sold Rooney long before the rot set in and avoided this less than ideal situation whilst getting a reasonable transfer fee.
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can you imagine if LVG was still manager?
 
clarkydaz said:
can you imagine if LVG was still manager?
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I try not to, I think he genuinely messed with some of the players heads with his strange techniques to the point where they looked completely devoid of any confidence and too scared to express themselves. Good manager but way past his best, happy we moved on and hired a winner.
 
Sandikan said:
Completely this. I'm from a running background, and it's one of those accepted truths that you can train your aerobic fitness to almost infinite levels, but your anaerobic has a very limited trainability.

Very well observed when you ask someone without fast twitch muscle bias, what they find harder, running slower for longer, or trying to hit top paces for shorter!
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Also true for the likes of baseball or golf long drive competitors/tour bombers.

Golf isn't a "reaction/reflex" sport so things like spine/hip movement and ROM are more important to play well or hit the ball into orbit, it's interesting that the big hitters or best ballstrikers are often the most susceptible the dreaded Yips or short game woes - which could be related to the above
 
Sky1981 said:
Rooney has the talent, it's the hard work that he's lacking

You can be a very good athlete by hard work alone, although to become messi/ronaldo/zlatan you need a lot of talent.

But while talent can't be trained, physical conditioning can.

Why is it so hard for rooney fanboy to accept that he's fat because of his lifestyle, with all the pics, the actual performance etc and rather come up with laughable excuse such as fat genes, people hate him because he a scouse, etc.
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I can tell that you spent your whole life arguing with everyone on Rooney's thread that you don't even know that I criticised that picture as Rooney being fat. It's not good if you keep calling people as Rooney fanboy on Rooney's thread for no reason.

Physical and pace can come from natural, and Rooney was born with it.
Just look at the body shape of Memphis (he got it by train hard) and Rooney, you can tell that Memphis looks stronger. But the actual fact is that Rooney is stronger due to his natural strength.

Training only for improvement and utilise the gift and talent of the players to maximum.
 
AndyJ1985 said:
No but if training didn't improve speed why why anyone train?
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You gotta learn how to read people post properly before start jump into conclusion, otherwise you will just argue with people for pointless reason.

No one in here said train won't improve the speed. But some players have talent and potential as well which is considered to be gifts. If they don't train then obviously the talent and potential are being wasted. Put Rooney in his prime age and Mata in his prime age in the same training to improve their physical attribute, Rooney will achieve higher than Mata due to his natural strength and pace.
 
Mike09 said:
I can tell that you spent your whole life arguing with everyone on Rooney's thread that you don't even know that I criticised that picture as Rooney being fat. It's not good if you keep calling people as Rooney fanboy on Rooney's thread for no reason.

Physical and pace can come from natural, and Rooney was born with it.
Just look at the body shape of Memphis (he got it by train hard) and Rooney, you can tell that Memphis looks stronger. But the actual fact is that Rooney is stronger due to his natural strength.

Training only for improvement and utilise the gift and talent of the players to maximum.
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Apologies. It wasn't intended for you
 
This video just makes me sad. The guy was a great footballer. The following season he went on to score 34 gosls playing as a SS to hernandez. Not sure if that sure if I cn hold my breath to turn it around now.
 
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