Loan him out and ask the loaners to pay a third of his wages, problem solved.
Rooney - Wants to stay next season
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It's because it's been so long since he was really brilliant. One of the most exciting players to watch in his prime, but people are forgetting. It's sad but it's the reality of it. People will say his best seasons were 2009-10 or 2011-12, but for me his best period was the Ronaldo years and it feels like ancient history now.
It never takes long for a Wayne Rooney thread to revert back to whether he was world class or not. This is not the matter at hand.
It's not bollocks, myself and many on here feel he was close but was never world class, probably due to him being so inconsistent.
I'm not saying he wasn't brilliant for us but I just don't think he was world class.
Then you recall wrong mate he wanted to leave. But the club and Moyes wanted him to stay and convinced him to sign a new contract there was no ransoming involved.
Jesus absolute deluded bitter bollocks. Say what you want about him now but at his best he was world class.
never thought of him as world class. good? yes. great at times? yes. world class? nah, and chances are a good number of people outside of england never thought of him as world class either
He's never even the greatest player in any United teams, and that's honest. There's always a better player in the team
I don't know what people's definition of world class is, but in 09/10 he was arguably a top 5 player in the world, at worst top 10.
1 season in his whole career arguably top 5
That is exactly the reason why he's not world class, one in 15 season.
Never reached the heights of peak kaka, iniesta, Xavi, ronaldinho, Henry, RvP, Suarez, Seedorf (the list goes on). Truly world class players.
He almost reached world class in the season where he seemed like he would carry us to a CL and PL single handedly (2009/2010?). When he got injured prior to the Bayern tie in the CL. Was never the same player after that injury, for me. He was a world class finisher for two seasons after, mind you.
So we'd be paying £200k to a players that's not even at the club?
I can't see the club doing something like that.
Sorry mate did you even see Rooney in his prime?
No he never reached the world class levels he was very close though. He was a top 10 player easily in his position not consistent enough to be a top 5.
We can let future fans debate how good he really was. Right now all of us are in agreement that he is not good enough to lead our team and the debate is on whether he should stay or go. I think 99% of us thinks he should go but who knows what powers his present contract gives him.
If he stays it means a certain amount of money will be tied up but at least he will not be playing that much.
If he stays it means a certain amount of money will be tied up but at least he will not be playing that much.
He was probably one of the most complete forwards that we've ever had. His numbers speaks for itself.
251 Goals / 137 Assists
251 Goals / 137 Assists
Top 5 player in the world? Strikers only or of all of the players in the whole world there were no more than 4 better than Wayne Rooney?
I don't think anyone would question his numbers, with or without them he is a very good player, the problem i have with rooney and his so called prime is he was never man utd's go to guy, he has always played second fiddle to someone or the other for most part of his 14 seasons at utd, how to do you call someone worldclass when for most part of 14 seasons at or around the top you are never the club's main guy. For early part of his career with us he was the next greatest thing a player everyone had really high hopes from, a guy who could be one of the best in the world and he delivered very well but it was RVN who we all looked at to perform in crunch situations not rooney, he was the talisman for that team.
Then we had ronnie come to the stage with the likes of tevez and berba too coming in, rooney was shifted to the left to accommodate everybody, now i know many people try and show this as rooney's adaptability or something but to me it seemed more like SAF not trusting rooney enough or not considering him good enough, and i am not saying he was a poor player or anything but if you are worldclass you shouldn't be the one being shifted outwide to get best out of others it is normally others who are shifted around for you.2009-10 i think is one of the only two seasons in his career that he actually performed like the player we all thought he will be but again, is 2 seasons out of 14 good enough to be considered worldclass.
Not sure what all this debate is about, Rooney was world class but hasn't been for years and it's time for him to go.
Thanks for your service Wayne, but your time is up.
Thanks for your service Wayne, but your time is up.
It's actually the opposite. It was because he could play very well alongside most forwards that he has outlived most of them at OT. He has linked well with RvN, Saha, Ronnie, Tevez, Berbatov, Welbeck, Hernandez, RvP and even falcao and martial even though all of them are a lot different. Unlike most attackers he could play very well as a winger or a 10 or a SS or even at times Midfield. So we could jam the team with more forwards. I don't think you could take van Persie and put a team of RvP ronaldo tevez front line to get the same effect
I don't disagree with his adaptability but my problem is why was it always him that got shifted around whenever a better or equal player came in, only time he was the go to guy for us was when when we did not have a really great or worldclass attacking talent in the team, whenever there was one he was playing second fiddle to them, rvn, ronnie, rvp. He outlived them but he never outperformed them is my issue.
Because most other forwards couldn't adapt and perform well at the same time like him. If we put Berbatov or rvn in right wing or left wing to accommodate Rooney they would be really poor in that position.
But why did that happen, if we needed a better attack, wouldn't it have been a smarter option to buy a winger and play rooney in his original position, but rather than that happening, we always bought new strikers rather than wingers. If rooney was considered worldclass he wouldn't be shifted around the way he was.
his partnership with rvp was poor. same with falcao and martial, how have they been successful？
Agreed. Rooney's best partnerships were with Hernandez and Welbeck (and better than expected with Tevez). All players with great work rate. He never really gelled well with the more classy attackers. On paper, he should link well with RVP, RVN or Berbatov but none of the partnerships worked well.
One of Rooney's greatest strengths was his workrate but it seemed like he believed the nonsense in the press and resented being asked to do it.
Back on topic, he's put himself in a very difficult position. The best move for his career is a move to the MLS or China as he could get a few more years on decent money.
But that would finish his England career which would be a huge climbdown after he announced his international retirement in 12 months time.
So, he could take a huge financial hit and sign for a lesser English team or stay at United, take the guaranteed cash and hope a few injuries give him one last run. I think it will be very hard to move him on.
He'd go to a club like Stoke if he has any aspirations of playing week in week out again, he still may not there if he truly is completely gone at the game, but he has no chance at all if he stays.
And if you think a mid table prem club won't drop £10 million on Rooney (free transfer, 2 year deal on £100 k per wk) then imo you're wrong, he'd raise their profile no end, and would likely have a part to play still.
The main issue is if Rooney wants to do it, as I'm sure we'd happily top his wage up for a the last 12 months of his deal here.
Because fergie always had 4 strikers in his squad. And after ronaldo left didn't we do just that? Buy Valencia and Rooney through the middle. We bought RvP because we had inferior strikers like welbeck and Berbatov
He and RvP had some excellent link up plays. Several of Rooney's assists to RvP were sublime
They were shit together, or rather Rooney was shit and Van persie single handedly won us the league. They barely ever passed to each other never mind had great link up play. The last time Rooney was genuinely brilliant was when we had Ronaldo and Tevez.
I think we all know why rvp was bought and it definitely wasn't to replace welbeck or berba. . Also valencia directly replaced ronaldo he wasn't an addition, what i am talking about is why buy tevez and berba and shift rooney outwide rather than buying someone outwide and playing rooney in middle. The fact is once rooney started coming into his prime we kept buying newer strikers and barring hernandez none were bought to compliment or assist rooney but rather mostly as direct substitutes in his position, to me atleast it seems like SAF did not consider rooney good enough to be the top guy, and that for me is a deal breaker for him being called worldclass.
Naaah, never world class. But he was one of the top players of PL, even its global face especially after CR left.
after the season RVP won us the league it got to a point the only time they would complete a pass to each other were the kick offs starting each half. After a CL game RVP even moaned on camera that people 'are taking up his spaces on the pitch'
Rooney-Wants to stay next season. Jose-Well sorry Wayne, I don't want you too.
Christ, this is such semantic codswallop. Coming soon, the debate on the definition of world class.
So he was brilliant during entire seasons, but yet "inconsistent"? I'm just going to have to move on from this one. No offence intended.
Why don't you try reading the many posts arguing the same thing as me since you quoted me, and if you don't think he's always been inconsistent then you're definitely one of the few who thinks that way.
People going on about revisionism need to realise it works both ways, yes he was great but he never reached the heights we all expected, very close but not close enough.
I'll leave it there Simon.
A bit much, don't you think?
Was there actually a buyer though? He threatened to leave, but was it like the time that City were actually in for him?
If Rooney stays and we have a rotten summer transfer season, my guess is Mourinho will be entitled one more year to bring United to its grandeur. Rooney is excuse enough, almost.
Yeah there were strong links to Chelsea which Jose confirmed at the time.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/23350316
Well he didn't threaten to leave, he actually wanted to leave and asked to do so. There's a difference the club convinced him to stay, the contract he signed in 2014 was for the same basic wage that he was already on.
The City links in 2010 were media created nonsense in my opinion. Mancini said at the time there was nothing in it.
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