That's north of £31m.
Rooney - Wants to stay next season
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He does have technique and his reading of the game is miles better than MLS defenders. Keane tore the mls apart while being physically worse than Rooney. Defoe also barely broke a jog while over here. A premier league strikers positioning and runs are just way above a mls defenders mind and they can't keep up.
I dont expect him to suddenly become a great player again just because he might work hard and get fit. But I dont think its impossible. If he wants to try, fair play to him. I would expect him to still fall short of the required standard to get picked, but I also think if by some miracle he did get into great shape and did start playing well for us, he should be picked on merit.
Its the flipside of the same coin where I thought he shouldnt be getting picked when he was an automatic starter but wasnt playing well. People shouldnt be picked - or not picked - based on reputation, but on what they offer at any given moment. If he is determined to stay, let him work his arse off and get into the best shape possible and be an option. And then if he doesnt get picked still, fine, but at least he is being professional and doing his best for the club.
Its the flipside of the same coin where I thought he shouldnt be getting picked when he was an automatic starter but wasnt playing well. People shouldnt be picked - or not picked - based on reputation, but on what they offer at any given moment. If he is determined to stay, let him work his arse off and get into the best shape possible and be an option. And then if he doesnt get picked still, fine, but at least he is being professional and doing his best for the club.
I also think a significant part of Rooney's problem is rustiness. If he went somewhere where he was playing regularly I think his touch would improve. Not to the standard we need here, but certainly to a standard that is way higher than 90+% of his peers in MLS.
No he doesn't. He can not trap a ball, he can't make a 10-15 yard pass, he sure don't have bag of tricks, when was the last time he won an actual header? Or winning a sprint race? Or popping up from somewhere to hit a goal?
That's all long gone.
I saw this too, from daily mail and also an article from the sun. I'm just saying both 1 and two year left has been reported. So I'm wondering if it's certain that he has only 1 year left.
I think his main aim is to try and milk his fading career till the very end.
Well if he's staying he's going to get that anyway.
At least if he leaves he won't be taking up a spot on the bench
He doesn't have to be in the squad just because he's still here. Assuming it's accurate that he can't find a move it makes no sense for the club to fork out a lump sum of £31m now rather than just paying him monthly for the next two years.
That goes without saying. But by working hard he might be able to extend his playing career a little longer, which will mean more cash.
Its even possible, if you think about it, that a pay cut now - as long as it wasnt too extreme - could help facilitate a move to a club where he could play regularly, thereby improving his performances (we all know most players do better when they play regularly, and Rooney more than most) and extending his career for a few extra years, which would mean more money in the long run. Conversely, maybe milking his current United contract until the end, but languishing in the reserves, means he will fade into obscurity and end up attractive less lucrative offers next year (or heaven forbid the year after).
Also, if he just hangs around doing nothing, collecting his salary and not playing, does that jeopardise his relationship with the club? Does the club definitely then take him on as an ambassador once his playing days are over? I assume so, and in fact the original reports made it sound like that was already all agreed and in place. But you have to assume Mourinho and Woodward will be hugely frustrated paying him all that money, it might create some friction there.
He would have to reduce his pay by 2/3 for the likes of stoke etc to think about giving him a year. As long as he isn't taking up a place on the bench then he can hang around the club for one more year.
The club have plenty of ambassadors, i would be more than happy if he moves on completely after that.
Many think that modern players do not have to worry about money once they retire. That is correct but only shows half of the story. People like Rooney get rich in their early teens. By the time they retire, their lifestyle would have adapted to that environment. Its very difficult for a 33 something to suddenly lose his main source of income. That means cutting over perks that they had grown used to for so many years much to the embarrassment of peers who can still enjoy that lifestyle. No wonder why its becoming increasingly difficult to push players into retirement even though its evident that they are finished.
Now lets return to Rooney. I don’t think that he is as stupid as many think. Even if he is that stupid, I am pretty sure that he surrounded himself with enough people around to give him sound advice. His decline wasn’t the result of a freak injury that cut his career short. It’s been a painful decline which was constant irrespective of the manager managing him. If LVG or Mou couldn’t get him back in shape then no one will.
He also know that once he leaves football he wont be able to make money from football anymore. He would look silly as a pundit and he lacks the affection that he needs to be offered a coaching job at United. If there’s a vacancy and United decide to let sentimentality take over better judgement then surely that job won’t end up to Rooney. There’s an endless list of former players/former United employees ahead of him most of whom were more loyal to the club and have a better grip about coaching then he is. Giggs, Phelan, Gaz and even Joyce might be interested in a job with United and sure as hell they'll get a precedence over Rooney.
That means that Rooney can’t care less about his legacy as he is perfectly aware that it will lead him to nothing. His only aim will be to squeeze as much money out of his fading career as possible. If United want him out then they have to pay the remainder of his contract in ful. If they refuse, well, he will remain here, do enough not to be fined and get his pay cheque. That’s exactly what he did last season. Either way he will make sure he'll make as much money as possible and that means squeezing every single £ from United and ending up as a free agent were he can negotiate a better deal afterwards.
Don’t expect him to work ‘hard’ though. As said before, he probably knows by now that it is pointless. If it wasn’t the case then surely he wouldn’t get caught up in that binge drinking incident that jeopardised his career with England (ie the only team, Rooney had always showed unwavering loyalty too).
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I would imagine youre right about him taking financial advice and I imagine they will have encouraged him to make all sorts of investments that will provide him with a steady income in his retirement. He could have a portfolio of real estate that can deliver rental income or any number of other stuff. Its much easier to stay rich when you already are than get rich when you are poor. Of course you can make investments that blow up and lose all your money, but you protect yourself against that by diversifying. Honestly, Rooney has enough money that I dont think he needs to be too worried about his future. Plus, something I mentioned in a previous post, the original stories that came out when he signed his current deal all talked about a future ambassadorial role for the club like it was already agreed. Something like that wont come close to matching his current earnings, obviously, but it will pay him something.
At the end of the day he always has those tried and tested options available to all struggling former celebrities: voice overs for ads, which pay handsomely, and, as a last resort, he can do Im A Celebrity Get Me Out Of Here.
I don't think we'll see him begging in the streets anytime soon. Having said that his main income comes from being a player. I doubt he's got the skills to be a decent pundit or coach and lets face it, the ambassadorial role pays next to nothing when compared to the salary garnered from playing football. The wisest option for him and his family from a purely financial perspective is to stick to his 1 year contract and then negotiate a decent deal with a new club next season as a free agent.
what a depressing thread title 
Agreed. Especially if, as @edgar allan was saying above, a move now would slash his income by 2/3.
Though I still think he could do better than that if he was willing to move to the US, and as I said before I dont believe he hasnt had lucrative offers from MLS - though of course there is no way to know one way or the other.
fair enough, didn't think anyone would match his wages.
its not really a bad thing, he is a decent enough back up player.
its not really a bad thing, he is a decent enough back up player.
United want him out. However they don't want to piss him off as he has every right to stay here for another year on full salary. The man can make a nuisance of himself + he's got enough mates in the media to make United look bad. From a purely financial perspective Rooney would ideally want United to pay him the remainder of his contract in full. That will mean that he'll be free agent at age 31 which will help him get a better deal elsewhere.
Assuming Rooney does have viable offers then the wisest option would be for United to pay him half of his remaining contract and let him go. Its a win win situation for everyone concerned. United will save few months of contract, Rooney would leave United with some shred of dignity and he could sign a new contract with someone else as a free agent. HOWEVER, that's assuming that Rooney does have viable offers. Lets not forget what happened to Parker whom United allowed to leave on a free out of respect and which ended up ruining his career.
I guess the question Im trying to get my head around is what does sitting on the sidelines at Old Trafford doing absolutely nothing for another season - so a season and a half in total - do for his value next year? To his marketability? To his prestige? How much money will clubs offer him next year, relative to what they would offer him this year? I dont know how quickly that kind of intangible value deteriorates. But it would surely have an impact. By then there might be all sorts of negative associations, if he is just seen as a lazy money-grabbing mercenary who was happy to sacrifice one of his few remaining years not playing. That's not even getting into the on-field impact. If he spent next season actually playing he will presumably be a better player next summer than he will be if he barely plays any competitive football for a whole season.
Very valid points. Maybe in his mind, he is completely done. Else, he wouldn't come out with these contradicting messages. He just wants to get those extra few millions and enjoy the rest of his life.
I think he's done. I'm sure United would have sold him for a nominal fee (a la Evra), much bigger financial impact to have his wages off the book. Might take 1 more season for 300K then 1 year at Everton on a pay as you play deal or something.
Most people thought Falcao was finished after his knee injury and then two atrocious seasons with us and Chelsea.
Those obituaries written for Falcao turned out to be premature. Maybe Rooney has a decent season left in him with the right set up. Just not at OT.
Those obituaries written for Falcao turned out to be premature. Maybe Rooney has a decent season left in him with the right set up. Just not at OT.
Maybe he thinks he can win his place back? It must be hard for any player to accept they're finished, especially at his age.
so now the people ranting at him for wanting him to leave... want him to leave! Anyone spot the irony? Hint: this is not a trick question
Why should he do that if he genuinely thinks so?
While it is obvious that he can't play at the levels we want him, one must be crazy to believe that he has forgotten how to play football. Or string two passes together.
Then that would be quite damning about Jose's judgement - but so far his actions have shown him to not really rate Rooney and even his words when it comes to him being a midfielder. If Rooney does try to see out his contract it will make it very challenging in pre-season for Jose--give him minutes or try to settle in his new signings and team?
To bad our requirements are far higher than just being able to play football or string two passes together.
If he wants to stay then why not? If he wants to stay then he must be happy to accept his bit part role.
Plus I have a bad feeling that United won't sign a No.9 this summer. I can see Ibra recovering and signing a 6 month contract in january to do a Larsson and propel the team to PL victory.
Plus I have a bad feeling that United won't sign a No.9 this summer. I can see Ibra recovering and signing a 6 month contract in january to do a Larsson and propel the team to PL victory.
I am not talking about Utd. It is obvious he is no longer good enough for us. People seem to believe he ll struggle in China, MLS or anywhere because he is completely gone.
Year 2021 : rooney would love to coach united, found passion in management. Knows the club inside out and loyal servant of the club.
Falcao would have continued to struggle, at the very least, if he'd stayed with either us or Chelsea. The lower intensity and pressure of Ligue 1 gave him the space and time to properly recover and created the conditions for his return to form.
Similarly, Rooney would probably do very well in the MLS. Doesn't mean we should keep him.
José's done the hard bit by phasing him out. There's no risk of him going back on that one - Rooney's time as a key player for us is over. Now there's no question we need to ship him out to free up all those wages for players who will actually get the opportunity to earn them.
He is gone though. It's quite amazing how slow of thought and movement he has become.
I really hope he shows some humility and takes whatever is on offer to him, or just retires. We all know he's finished now and dragging it out will just further embarass us and him.
Just watching his reaction to SAF telling him to run in the channels on that vid of Carrick's testimonial says to me he knows how far away he is from the required level.
Maybe we owed him the last few years. I'd say we owe him nothing more than a thanks a goodbye now. If he takes his contract and sits there for yet another year, frankly, I think he's taking the piss.
Sorry but Rooney asked for more money???? So What! He was at top of his game and got a huge deal. Tell me one person on the planet who wouldn't do the same.
Also I remember a lot of bluster about him going to city or Chelsea but I also remember every manager to a man rubbishing talk of him leaving. So did he really say pay me off or I'm going to city. I don't remember ever hearing that.
Facts are he's played for a very long time and for the large part been outstanding.
He's still an inspirational figure due to what he's achieved. Last season rashford was talking about how big an inspiration he was.
Again I'm not trying to rewrite history. We all know he's been average last couple of years but he deserves more respect than some are showing
think he desperately wants to represent England in the WC.
Wants to do the best he can for us this season.
Wants to do the best he can for us this season.
He was removed from the England squad due to lack of game time and he's not likely to increase that this season. If he wants the WC then best bet is to move.
Fellaini and Lingard are still here so clearly, our requirements are not that much higher.
And the same people are wanking themselves silly over Ronaldo's possible return and salivate over the prospect of him breaking Rooney's record for United.
It's sad that the one who DID leave appears to have more respect among United fans than the one who spent pretty much his entire top level career here.
Starting to think it is 2019 and therefore 30m , otherwise I think all parties would be more willing to lance the boil.
Ed isn't daft, we are far less £ happy these days so Rooney holds less aces than he thinks
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