Rooney is finished

Is Rooney done at the required level?


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I know:rolleyes: God help the club if we give him an extension.
I will literally be done with the club and possibly football if that happens. Rooney is worse than Moyes, here, I said it.
 
The thing is if he's on the bench he will cause problems for us with the press and distraction. If you getting rid of him it has to be a total severing of ties.
 
Time to let other players have a chance to take his place. He is not a creator nor he has the instinct to make good plays anymore.
 
It was below his usual bad performances. Though the lines are getting blurred at the moment to be honest.

Just a standard Rooney performance where he offers absolutely nothing to the team and breaks all our counter attacks.

There was a moment where were attacking, with Zlatan charging into the box, and the ball went out wide on the right to Rooney in acres of space, and he chipped his cross about 20ft in the air and behind the goal.

Imagine watching a toddler that got 3 hours sleep last night trying to play football with pork belly sellotaped to each foot.

OK. Sounds crap.

People say he is good for us commercially, yet he is putting some fans off watching and following United. He becomes a squad player from today and gone in Jan/summer.

I don't know about that, I now have to watch this match as I've missed it and want to see just how bad he was.
 
I don't think dropping Rooney would cause all that furore amongst the press. There have been plenty of articles recently about him not being the player he was. I think the bigger problem would come from the dressing room where apparently he's still quite popular.
I don't think the dressing room will care. They will be more concerned about winning matches and not having a liability in the team I think
 
Absolutely no doubt in my mind now that he's not a United level player. Hell he's not even a PL level player any more.

Ruined so many attacks today with his poor touch and passing.

Mata/ Mickey are much better options for his position. I hope Jose has realised that after today.
 
Whoever we buy, whatever we do, we still end up shite. Whatever players or managers we change, the common factor is a skipper Rooney playing crap. I know correlation ain't causation, but...
 
The Rooney of old would have got hold of a game like this by the scruff of its neck. Todays Rooney is one who is a major part of the problem. Big difference.
 
I don't think Rooney is actually overweight. To me he looks like someone who was powerfully/built, tried hard to keep weight off and as a result his power has drained away.
 
I think he has a clause in his contract. I thought it was shite but I think it's the truth now.

No other explanation.
What can that be though? There cannot be a clause that says that Rooney must play in the games. What happens if the manager drops him? The contract gets void (lets hope so)? We have to pay him some money (we are doing that with Schweinsteiger and we have a lot of money)? The universe is not going to destroyed, neither the ownership of the club will be transferred to Rooney if we don't respect that clause, if it exists. Anything other than those two effects and we should take the hit and disrespect that clause.
 
Just what the cafe needs another Rooney post. I haven't seen the game but one thing more annoying than rooney is the obsession with creating another Rooney thread
 
Rooney has been past his best for 4 years. Like the last few years, he will hit a good patch and score something like 6 in 6, but he is really struggling to keep up with the game. Maybe it isn't a bad idea to have a player of his experience and influence in the squad but he shouldn't be considered the key player he was all those years ago.

Our problems do go beyond the question of how well Wayne plays but we should be building a team without Rooney as the centre piece. I know it's not a direct comparison but Ruud Van Nistelrooy had a hold too, but he could limit our play just like Rooney is doing now. When Ruud went, it somewhat released our game and we went on to do well.
 
I just don't know why it isn't worth trying to bench rooney and play Herrera and seeing what happens.

We REALLY NEEDED that Feryernood game to have gone better, and it would have offered Jose more choices.
 
Yes, for feck sake. He's been finished since Ferguson dropped him against Real.
 
What can that be though? There cannot be a clause that says that Rooney must play in the games. What happens if the manager drops him? The contract gets void (lets hope so)? We have to pay him some money (we are doing that with Schweinsteiger and we have a lot of money)? The universe is not going to destroyed, neither the ownership of the club will be transferred to Rooney if we don't respect that clause, if it exists. Anything other than those two effects and we should take the hit and disrespect that clause.
I don't know. It's getting ridiculous. Moyes gives him a contract, LVG says my captain will always play and now Jose is shoehorning him in every game.

It's completely crazy.
 
I will literally be done with the club and possibly football if that happens. Rooney is worse than Moyes, here, I said it.
I can't be done with the club - even if we get relegated :lol: - but I think us fans need to find a way for the powers that be to understand that most fans want this sorted out. How to do this I haven't a clue.

I saw this (along with others) when he got that contract extension. I understand we were in a pickle at the time, but 5 1/2 years?! And God knows what clauses were put in to favour Rooney. It's an unbelievable own goal by United.
 
It's also Mourinho's fault for not knowing better, he's had some incredible #10's in Sneijder, Ozil, Lampard etc. Rooney is nowhere near this quality. I thought when we bought Mkhitaryan/Pogba and Zlatan it was going to be the end for him, but here he is. Even Pep could get rid of Joe Hart to enforce the way he wants to play football.

He's watched him for months when he was sacked from Chelsea, he's underperformed for United whilst he's been in charge. Pretty disappointing from Mourinho.
 
Legitimately thought this was an old thread that had been bumped. Yes, he's done. Has been for a while now.
 
I wonder if hair loss medication has ruined him. I know that sounds ridiculous but if you look into it, it's really not that crazy. For some people it effects them mentally and physically as it lowers DHT which is a powerful androgen hormone. For people who have bad side effects from it, it's like the opposite of taking steroids. Some say they are weaker in the gym and can't think as effectively. Rooney has looked physically and mentally different for a few years now. He declined so quickly at a young age. He's not like Michael Owen who had some terrible injuries. Rooney seems to have lost his touch, it's as if his focus is no longer there.

He's on Propecia? http://propeciahelp.com/ <-- May not be that ridiculous.
 
Elaborate please. I'm interested.

I've seen similar said by a lot of ex-athletes regarding Rooney. We all know he got a lot of stick for being a bit chunky when he was a teenager, and I think he's someone who would naturally be a bit of a porker if it wasn't for the fact that his day job was being a professional athlete at one of the world's top sporting organisations. A combination of him bursting onto the scene at the top level at such a young age, and basically having to make extra effort to stay in shape, something you'd think would just sort of happen, means he's sort of physically done by the time he's 30, rather than 35ish like many others.
 
He was horrendous but at the very absolute least he showed balls. He should be dropped but the rest of them need to show some fight. They're not talented enough to play without any fight.

What does that even mean? That's brave lion talk. He showed no balls whatsoever, whinging at Michael Oliver all game doesn't take balls.
 
Well mate, I am as calm as one can be after 1:3 defeat to Watford. Anyway, I can't fathom that anyone can force Jose fecking Mourinho to start a player because of commercial value. And it is completely different question, what amount of that is left in said player?

Forgive me for the prickly reply. Everyone's a little bit pissed off at the moment, I guess.

True. But this just makes Mourinho look inept, doesn't it? And Rooney's commercial value? It's only going to go down the more matches United lose and the more pathetic individual performances we see from him.
 
33/40 passes.
0 chances created from open play (2 from his 9 corners/free kicks)
27 of his 33 successful passes were either backwards (15) or square (12)
0 through balls
0 clear cut chances created
0 tackles attempted
0 take ons
0 shots on target
1 shot off target
1 interception
1 block
0/1 aerial duals
1 foul committed
1 foul drawn.

Awful, awful stats. Not even his biggest fanboys can defend that.

Btw, where did you get the stats from? Interested to see the stats for other players
 
Awful, awful stats. Not even his biggest fanboys can defend that.

Btw, where did you get the stats from? Interested to see the stats for other players

The fourfourtwo app, they get them from Opta.
 
Elaborate please. I'm interested.
There's nothing to elaborate really. He looks no different physically than day 5 years ago. But he plays like someone five years older than he actually is.

All his power on the ball is gone. He gets dispossessed so easily now.
 
I don't think Rooney is actually overweight. To me he looks like someone who was powerfully/built, tried hard to keep weight off and as a result his power has drained away.

He's always looked like that, even at his peak he looked bigger than everyone else. I even remember our fans singing about him being a fat bastard when we played Everton before he signed for us, when he was tearing defences apart.

I agree, that explosive energy he had earlier in his career, where he'd bully himself past players, is totally gone, and he's shown he's not capable of playing a mature midfield role, which does make his inclusion in the team pretty much pointless.

I'm not as vitriolic about him as some others are, I do believe he gives his all when he plays for us, he's just not that good anymore.
 
What does that even mean? That's brave lion talk. He showed no balls whatsoever, whinging at Michael Oliver all game doesn't take balls.

He showed fight. He carried on trying (and failing) even when he played passes that a sunday league player would be embarrassed about. The rest just go into their shells when the going gets tough. They're a fecking embarrassment.
 
I've seen similar said by a lot of ex-athletes regarding Rooney. We all know he got a lot of stick for being a bit chunky when he was a teenager, and I think he's someone who would naturally be a bit of a porker if it wasn't for the fact that his day job was being a professional athlete at one of the world's top sporting organisations. A combination of him bursting onto the scene at the top level at such a young age, and basically having to make extra effort to stay in shape, something you'd think would just sort of happen, means he's sort of physically done by the time he's 30, rather than 35ish like many others.
That's even worse than I thought and I was already aware if him being closer to 35 rather than Hus real age. So you telling me just the sheer effort of staying in football shape has made him age even quicker physically?
 
33/40 passes.
0 chances created from open play (2 from his 9 corners/free kicks)
27 of his 33 successful passes were either backwards (15) or square (12)
0 through balls
0 clear cut chances created
0 tackles attempted
0 take ons
0 shots on target
1 shot off target
1 interception
1 block
0/1 aerial duals
1 foul committed
1 foul drawn.
Jesus Christ.
 
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