Think we are at that point already.
He's been so bad in the last two games even his hardcore fans on here admit he should be dropped.
Rooney is finished
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Think we are at that point already.
He's been so bad in the last two games even his hardcore fans on here admit he should be dropped.
It's only curious if you give too much weight to the odd moment here and there. All pro footballers do something decent from time to time.
Better to judge a player on how he performs most of the time.
I watched him in the reserves last season and he didn't stand out one bit. So tonight should be no surprise.
SAF saw the writing on the wall 4 years ago, and would have sold him back then if he'd not retired. Rooney was never world class..proved that with England, never had a decent game in a tournament part from 2004. No footballing brain, just plays on instinct but I'm afraid that's gone and all that keeps him motivated these days is 300k a week .
Jose keeps playing him to the point he becomes so useless, and everybody turns on him.
Then when he finally drops him, there is celebration and no mutiny.
Then when he finally drops him, there is celebration and no mutiny.
I don't quite buy the idea that he's not an intelligent footballer. He always has been. I just don't think he's motivated and engaged the way he used to be. Whatever the reason I think he's done
He was never world class we all know that. I don't think he was professional enough to push himself to the next level. He always has been overweight and not really treated himself like an athlete.
I'm a big critic of Rooney but even I think it's harsh to say he was never world class.
The 2009/2010 season he was unbelievable. That injury in Munich really was the beginning of the end, as daft as that may sound.
The 2009/2010 season he was unbelievable. That injury in Munich really was the beginning of the end, as daft as that may sound.
I think he might have been from 06-09. He's gone backwards since though.
09-10 was the season where he really discovered his love for passing it to Valencia and sprinting into the box, and that's the bulk of what he's been doing since.
How can your argument be "He always has been"? Rooney isn't a dumb footballer but he isn't an intelligent one either.
He was only world class for a season or two. That is pretty much true unless you're a fanboy.
He's never been rated properly by top teams in Europe since 2011-12 or so.
I'd agree with that yeah.
I don't even think his all round game was very good in 11/12 to be honest. He scored a load that season though so yeah maybe other top teams still rated him back then.
Exactly.
That's rubbish. In his earlier days he was used in all sorts of positions and played them all brilliantly. He had a brilliant ability to find space, excellent vision and he was very good at figuring out where he needed to be defensively when things broke down. He was a brilliant footballer in his early 20's. He was also a very selfless player who would run his socks off and would do anything for the team
Let's not rewrite history just because he turned to shite in recent years.
He's not good any more, but he should stay on and give the benefit of his experience to the young players. He can give lessons such as:
- using transfer requests to extract massive new contracts from the club
- leaking stories to the press in such a way as to strengthen one's own position while undermining others
- overeating
What positive effect does he have now? He's crap on the pitch and a terrible example off it. If China won't bite I'd be inclined to just pay up his (ludicrous) contract and move on.
- using transfer requests to extract massive new contracts from the club
- leaking stories to the press in such a way as to strengthen one's own position while undermining others
- overeating
What positive effect does he have now? He's crap on the pitch and a terrible example off it. If China won't bite I'd be inclined to just pay up his (ludicrous) contract and move on.
Was at the game tonight, expecting the performance we all saw. He's finished, he has been for the best part of 2 and half years, and tonight against league 1 opposition still managed to be the one player that looked the most out of their depth. Very very poor.
That cost us at least £65m in wages. God knows how much more it has cost us in terms of having him in the squad and underperforming, prize money, CL money, sponsors etc
Absolutely. Not to mention hindering the progress of quality strikers, tens and midfielders. Shame on you ed woodward and david moyes
Ok, maybe that was the wrong sentence. I do think he was an intelligent footballer in his younger days. As a teenager and in his early 20's he would have been above average in that regard. He just got arrogant and stopped learning over the last few years.
Nope.
His best years he was playing on instinct. He was reacting to what was happening and he had the energy to execute. He is extremely naturally gifted.
However he has never been an intelligent footballer
We'll that's a bit stupid. In his early years his instincts tended to lead to him making good footballing decisions. That's basically what footballing intelligence is. The ability to react and consistently make good decisions quickly in a match situation. What do you think makes an intelligent footballer?
You know The Simpsons gag - are we there yet? Repeat infitum.
Has he left yet?
Has he left yet?
Has he left yet?
Until he does, we're all Sideshow Bob's stepping on rakes.
Has he left yet?
Has he left yet?
Has he left yet?
Until he does, we're all Sideshow Bob's stepping on rakes.
The simple fact that you think that he was only intelligent when young tells you everything, he isn't and wasn't. He was enthusiastic and inventive but his understanding of the game was limited, a lot of people wanted to see him control himself instead of running around everywhere, making stupid fouls and getting booked for no good reasons.
What was the mood among the away fans about him?
Bingo! In how many minutes or games? The defender he went past probably didn't even think Rooney would try something like that, and was taken by a huge surprise
Michael Owen offered more in his time here than Rooney currently does & he was a year older in his last season.
He certainly had plenty of graft and determination, but it manifested itself in a haphazard, headless-chicken fashion. Ferguson appeared to drum much of that out of him, as he wanted Rooney closer to goal rather than tearing around the pitch, making tackles in the right-back position and risking bookings/injury.
Generally, when given a tactical duty to perform, he shirked his responsibilities.
You think having a bit of a fire meant he wasn't an intelligent footballer? Lots of intelligent people in any sphere of life have tempers they struggle to control. What you're talking about is emotional intelligence not football intelligence there.
In terms of tactical awareness and natural football intelligence Rooney was miles ahead of most young players. He was able to slot into premier league football at 15 ffs. When Ferguson signed him at 18 he said he didn't need coaching, that he already understood the game.
I guess these sort of posts are to be expected in the "Rooney is finished" thread. Work away
Rooney's best position is the one he's not currently playing in
Rooney was miles ahead because he had more experience than most young players at the same age, because he was physically mature way sooner. They surpassed him later, with more experience.
As for your question, the answer is no. I think that Rooney wasn't particularly intelligent, he wasn't dumb either, just average.
the bench?
If he plays vs Leicester, the meltdown on here will be immense. Surely he won't start that game?
I've been trying to make ppl notice many many performances like tonight and the Watford game for years now, but generally all I got was accusations of being negative/pessimistic and of course the classic "you've got an agenda". No I just have f*cking eyes.
No if he's playing as a striker then its no 10. If he plays as no 10 then its CM. If he plays as CM then its evident why he's failing since he's a striker
Other players would get slated in the media and eventually dropped if they played poorly though whereas Rooney was untouchable no matter how poorly he played. I think this frustrated ppl alot.
I don't know if that's true, more have been turning of late but the media only went for him after the watford game. I've been calling his bad performances since I joined, never gotten stick for it and seen plenty of the same. This place is a beacon of reality compared to places like r/reddevlls or some of the matchday cammers.
Or indeed anywhere else where Rooney's intelligence and tactical discipline is brought up.
The only place we haven't tried him.
Rooney's contributions against City and Hull are still being overplayed. He didn't "drive us on" any more than anyone else did vs Hull, he provided a great moment at the end of the game but apart from that where was this "drive" evident? Personally I'm shocked that some people are saying he was good against City, thought he was one of the worst offenders in terms of giving the ball away, particularly second half when he kept launching free kicks into Bravo's hands.
For me this has been a huge step in the process of removing Rooney from being a consistent first team starter. Mourinho played him in the position he said he fancied Rooney in before the season started and said three times in the pre-match interview that he wanted goals from Rooney. He won't face an easer opponent to show he's still got something that resembles a footballer in him for the remainder of the season, and yet he failed to deliver in spectacular fashion. Playing the full 90 minutes today will further justify dropping Rooney from the squad against Leicester and from there it won't take long before Rooney is only featuring in cup games.
Of course, if he actually does play on Saturday, all the hope that I've built up today will come crashing down and I'll start thinking about writing off this season already. Monumental few weeks for Mourinho now, as he'll never have a better chance to get rid of his biggest problem. If it doesn't happen the various conspiracy theories about Rooney's contract will look more and more likely.
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