Romelu Lukaku vs Alvaro Morata 2017/18

[Pete Dahh Sneak]

Thats what was said about his time at Real. Bla bla bla.

Lukaku is clearly the better striker.

Why doesn't he get the time to adjust to a different league? Especially when he's been injured twice during the season and there's so much going on with Conte and the board. Is it because he's always going to be compared to Lukaku so feck Morata?

 

[The Bloody-Nine]

Why doesn't he get the time to adjust to a different league? Especially when he's been injured twice during the season and there's so much going on with Conte and the board. Is it because he's always going to be compared to Lukaku so feck Morata?

He's always going to be compared to him in here because of the thread title. I'm sure people are more understanding in the Morata thread. Probably.

 

[Inter Yer Nan]

Lukaku's better and more consistent but Morata is a good player and I am sure if he's given time will be fine at Chelsea.

 

[walkinhop]

Both are madly inconsistent and far from the finished article.

 

[Jonno]

Holy hyperbole Batman!



The longer he’s been away, the greater he’s become to fans who’ve forgotten the player he is/was. It’s crazy.



Morata has started 19 PL games and has made 4 sub appearances totaling 75-85 minutes.

Yep, which I translate to 23 games, 10 goals. A worse record than Lukaku

 

[Pete Dahh Sneak]

Yep, which I translate to 23 games, 10 goals. A worse record than Lukaku

His 2 minute cameo vs City is worth the same as him playing 90 minutes? That’s good logic.

 

[Jonno]

His 2 minute cameo vs City is worth the same as him playing 90 minutes? That’s good logic.

Are his regular appearances off the bench when Chelsea are chasing a goal therefore affording him with attacking tactics therefore providing him with as many if not more chances worth the same as with Mourinhos more defensive tactics where Lukaku gets on average 1 chance per game?

Also good logic.

 

[Pete Dahh Sneak]

Are his regular appearances off the bench when Chelsea are chasing a goal therefore affording him with attacking tactics therefore providing him with as many if not more chances worth the same as with Mourinhos more defensive tactics where Lukaku gets on average 1 chance per game?

Also good logic.

Regular appearances off the bench = 4 times in 29 games? Two of his “regular” appearances off the bench were when they were behind. Two minutes vs Man City and 30 minutes vs Burnley when Chelsea were down to 10 men. Lukaku averages one chance per game? Stop it. You’re also going to completely ignore that Morata has basically played with Hazard behind him and 8 guys not contributing to anything offensively. That’s fine because 2 minutes = 90 minutes.

 

[GM K]

Romelu Lukaku vs Alvaro Morata?

No contest. Lukaku takes it.

Minus the shiny trophies Morata won playing as a sub in one of the most talented Madrid sides boasting of Cristiano, Modric, Ramos, Marcelo and the other galacticos, I struggle to see what Morata has on Lukaku.

 

[GM K]

I was wrong on this debate.

I still think Morata is more talented but Lukaku has the mental strength and desire to succeed, even if his technical abilities aren't the best.

Lukaku fits United more and I'm now so glad we got him instead.

I respect people who raise up their hands and say, 'Hey, I got that wrong'.

Class.

 

[roonster09]

Regular appearances off the bench = 4 times in 29 games? Two of his “regular” appearances off the bench were when they were behind. Two minutes vs Man City and 30 minutes vs Burnley when Chelsea were down to 10 men. Lukaku averages one chance per game? Stop it. You’re also going to completely ignore that Morata has basically played with Hazard behind him and 8 guys not contributing to anything offensively. That’s fine because 2 minutes = 90 minutes.

Didn't Chelsea fans argue so much that Conte is not a defensive coach and not even counter attacking team? Now Morata plays with Hazard only in the attack with 8 players contributing nothing in the attack.

 

[GM K]

Costa is in a different stratosphere to the other two. We def should have put in a cheeky bid last season. Costa did so much for that Chelsea team. Morata has the diving part down but the strength, hold-up play, vision and finishing are lacking.

I agree.At the moment, yes he is. But I will bet that by the time Romelu is 29, he will be classed above Costa at his peak. Not sure about Morata though. He certainly has the talent but he has to match that with making the right career decisions otherwise he will fizzle away.

 

[Who Loves ya Bebe]

Romelu Lukaku vs Alvaro Morata?

No contest. Lukaku takes it.

Minus the shiny trophies Morata won playing as a sub in one of the most talented Madrid sides boasting of Cristiano, Modric, Ramos, Marcelo and the other galacticos, I struggle to see what Morata has on Lukaku.

Morata is far better at sitting on the floor waving his hands with a perplexed look on his face

 

[charlenefan]

He's played every game against the top 6 except this game vs City...?



He's scored 2 goals in his last 10 appearances. If anything, I'd say Lukaku has been given the chance to rediscover his form while Morata has been injured twice and hasn't been given any playing time really since he's come back.

Are you suggesting Morata is better than Lukaku then because I think you'd be literally the only Chelsea fan with that opinion still

 

[Cracker_34]

Lukaku is the best for me, he is generous in his efforts and he does not save his fatigue. Morata is more technical but I think he plays less with his heart.​

 

[Kostov]

Costa is in a different stratosphere to the other two. We def should have put in a cheeky bid last season. Costa did so much for that Chelsea team. Morata has the diving part down but the strength, hold-up play, vision and finishing are lacking.

I think you are overrating Costa. He is a good player and excellent in what he does, but Lukaku has higher potential in my opinion albeit a different type of player. I'd rather have Lukaku with his flaws, than the despicable human being that is Costa and his footballing flaws that he also has.

 

[Stacks]

I think you are overrating Costa. He is a good player and excellent in what he does, but Lukaku has higher potential in my opinion albeit a different type of player. I'd rather have Lukaku with his flaws, than the despicable human being that is Costa and his footballing flaws that he also has.

I wouldn't say he has more potential. Potential to be what? Lukaku has over 400 professional games under his belt so is about as developed as they come. What potential does he have over Costa, as in what aspect of of football will he over take him in? certainly not aggression and physicality. Being younger doesn't mean you will surpass as I am certain Lukaku won't surpass Cristiano for example.

Winning isn't about being a nice human. Cantona was a right CNUT as was Keane.

 

[Kostov]

I wouldn't say he has more potential. Potential to be what? Lukaku has over 400 professional games under his belt so is about as developed as they come. What potential does he have over Costa, as in what aspect of of football will he over take him in? certainly not aggression and physicality. Being younger doesn't mean you will surpass as I am certain Lukaku won't surpass Cristiano for example.

Winning isn't about being a nice human. Cantona was a right CNUT as was Keane.

Potential to be a better striker for us, potential to be a better player?
Do players stop improving when they stop developing?

Is agression the only treat a striker should posses? And no Costa isn't better in physicality than Lukaku. He is just a slimy little cnut, biting, stamping and acting like an animal while trying to con the referee the first time he comes against better CBs.
Lukaku is already a better finisher than him, with much better attitude. He can improve his hold up play and heading, all skills that he can improve with application.

I'm certain Lukaku won't surpass Cristiano also, but Costa is hardly Cristiano. Costa is a despicable human being, who always tries his best to cheat, don't compare him with Keane and Cantona.

 

[Terminator]

Always preferred Lukaku from the very start and I was glad we got him. He has the mental strength and desire to succeed at this club.

 

[Sunspear17]

Obviously I would naturally defend Morata as he's a Chelsea player, but we do have to take into consideration how long Lukaku has been the main striker in the Premier League. This is Alvaro's first season in the league, and on top of that he hasn't really ever been a main striker for a club as consistent as he is now for us. I do think he should be judged on what he can do next season. I think a lot of chelsea fans were hoping and expecting him to come in and be an instant success, but unfortunately he's had a tougher time.

He has also had niggling injuries which have kept him out for a few weeks. The best way to judge how well he does is once he is adapted to the league. After having Drogba and Costa at the club, I think many fans think were hoping he would do a similar job. However, he isn't really the same kind of striker, therefore it's been more difficult to really impose himself on defenders. I mean you can see the improvement from the West Brom Lukaku to the Lukaku at Everton, albeit the improvements have been gradual, he's definitely improved on areas of his game where he was weaker.

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

Obviously I would naturally defend Morata as he's a Chelsea player, but we do have to take into consideration how long Lukaku has been the main striker in the Premier League. This is Alvaro's first season in the league, and on top of that he hasn't really ever been a main striker for a club as consistent as he is now for us. I do think he should be judged on what he can do next season. I think a lot of chelsea fans were hoping and expecting him to come in and be an instant success, but unfortunately he's had a tougher time.

He has also had niggling injuries which have kept him out for a few weeks. The best way to judge how well he does is once he is adapted to the league. After having Drogba and Costa at the club, I think many fans think were hoping he would do a similar job. However, he isn't really the same kind of striker, therefore it's been more difficult to really impose himself on defenders. I mean you can see the improvement from the West Brom Lukaku to the Lukaku at Everton, albeit the improvements have been gradual, he's definitely improved on areas of his game where he was weaker.

That was always a major concern around Morata though. He must have already played more this season than he has ever before and maybe those niggling injuries are connected to that? Maybe he's not cut out for being the main striker at a top club?

Lukaku has his faults but you know what you're getting with him. He's a guaranteed 25 plus goals a season man.

 

[Robbie Boy]

People are probably slightly overly critical of Morata due to the wank fest on here about him at one point when Lukaku was going through a barren run. Also, most Chelsea fans were smugly convinced that they had gotten the superior player.

 

[Sunspear17]

People are probably slightly overly critical of Morata due to the wank fest on here about him at one point when Lukaku was going through a barren run. Also, most Chelsea fans were smugly convinced that they had gotten the superior player.

To be honest, I think most fans flip their opinion and are fickle when it comes to players. If we had got Lukaku and Morata had gone to Utd, the opinions would likely be the opposite. It is what it is, not much fans can do about it if a club wants to sign a specific player. We are just lowly customers/supporters of a club at the end of the day. Our opinion means jack shizzle.

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

Morata is still a good player, feel some of the criticism is over the top. Deserves another season at least.

 

[Biji.Kelot]

With the way we play, it is amazing that Lukaku still has his goals.

If he plays at Chelsea, with creative oulets like Hazard, Willian, Ascensio, Fabregas, and Pedro, he may scores more than the current numbers.

Dont get any hype about Morata, even when at Juventus, he is not the main striker. And when he returned to Madrid, he only performed against weak teams. And dont forget even Madrid B team has Isco, Kovacic, Ascencio, Nacho, Lucas, and Theo to support him. Most striker will perform with that kind of talents.

Lukaku marked his name at WBA for feck sake. And then Everton. None of them considered strong clubs. But he kept elevates his games one step at a time.

Morata is like a fancy car, Lukaku is like a truck. Since the road is not always so smooth, at least for myself, i know which one i would like to choose. The Truck.

 

[Robbie Boy]

To be honest, I think most fans flip their opinion and are fickle when it comes to players. If we had got Lukaku and Morata had gone to Utd, the opinions would likely be the opposite. It is what it is, not much fans can do about it if a club wants to sign a specific player. We are just lowly customers/supporters of a club at the end of the day. Our opinion means jack shizzle.

Oh I agree. Thing is, it was a-lot of our own fans (United) that started to jizz all over Morata when Lukaku was having a rough time, instead of being in support of the player. Those fans are most likely why people are giving Morata this amount of shit, and also because all of the stupid comparisons between the two, despite them not being comparable in the slightest. Had they have been bought in different transfer windows, no on would have ever compared them and most likely, Morata wouldn't be getting the level of shit that he is.

 

[cyberman]

To be honest, I think most fans flip their opinion and are fickle when it comes to players. If we had got Lukaku and Morata had gone to Utd, the opinions would likely be the opposite. It is what it is, not much fans can do about it if a club wants to sign a specific player. We are just lowly customers/supporters of a club at the end of the day. Our opinion means jack shizzle.

Can't see it.
Morata has 5 goals since the middle of October. That's 1 goal a month since then.
That's ridiculous if you consider the busy schedule that English football has.
This forum would explode if we signed Morata. Jose would be getting tonnes of shit about it. He doesn't know how to utilise a classy footballer like Morata.
Madrid are a footballing side, no wonder he can't adapt to hoofball.
The Caf is a wasteland in that timeline.

 

[roseguy64]

I dont see why he ever returned to Real.

Wasn't leading the line at Juve. Was unlikely to at an even better club.

Because Real Madrid had his rights still or the option to regain his rights, one of the two. Wasn't a choice.

 

[Denis79]

At the moment it looks like we made the right choice going with Lukaku over Morata.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Regular appearances off the bench = 4 times in 29 games? Two of his “regular” appearances off the bench were when they were behind. Two minutes vs Man City and 30 minutes vs Burnley when Chelsea were down to 10 men. Lukaku averages one chance per game? Stop it. You’re also going to completely ignore that Morata has basically played with Hazard behind him and 8 guys not contributing to anything offensively. That’s fine because 2 minutes = 90 minutes.

Morata has 2 PL goals from the bench so better to do this @Pete Dahh Sneak:

Morata has 8 PL goals in 19 starts
Lukaku has 14 PL goals in 24 starts

So when they both start, Lukaku scores more than Morata.

Lukaku's all round play has been good enough to ensure that he doesn't get benched, unlike Morata who has been dogshit for long periods despite being fed more great chances than Lukaku*. Therefore we cannot see how good Lukaku is off the bench. Morata though, seems a good bench option.

Big chances missed (and remember, this is in less game time for Morata):
Morata 15
Lukaku 10

 

[Stacks]

Potential to be a better striker for us, potential to be a better player?
Do players stop improving when they stop developing?

Is agression the only treat a striker should posses? And no Costa isn't better in physicality than Lukaku. He is just a slimy little cnut, biting, stamping and acting like an animal while trying to con the referee the first time he comes against better CBs.
Lukaku is already a better finisher than him, with much better attitude. He can improve his hold up play and heading, all skills that he can improve with application.

I'm certain Lukaku won't surpass Cristiano also, but Costa is hardly Cristiano. Costa is a despicable human being, who always tries his best to cheat, don't compare him with Keane and Cantona.

they are about equal finishers. how much you hate Costa as a person is irrelevent.
I don't think Lukaku can become a better player but I think he could reach his level possibly.

How does one improve if you are not developing? just curious.

 

[Nick7]

I have never understood the goals to minutes argument. Especially for players that don't start every game. It's usually just a way to provide and excuse for players that aren't scoring enough.

 

[Kostov]

they are about equal finishers. how much you hate Costa as a person is irrelevent.
I don't think Lukaku can become a better player but I think he could reach his level possibly.

How does one improve if you are not developing? just curious.

It's your opinion, and I'll hold to mine. The numbers will probably go for Lukaku as a better finisher.

How much I hate Costa is irrelevant to the overrating he is getting on here. He was being described as being on another level to Lukaku and Morata. He might be on another level to Morata, but not Lukaku. Only few can be described as such player (Lewandovski, Kane, Aguero among others)

How can Lukaku reach Costa's level possibly but not become a better player? Since you alluded that Costa has superior qualities that Lukaku can't overtake.

I relate development, with development of a young player since you mentioned he has developed completely at 24. Players can improve beyond 24, and constantly in my opinion if they apply themselves in the right way and put on the work needed. Lukaku has shown the right attitude for that, Costa has shown this is it for him.

 

[Pete Dahh Sneak]

Romelu Lukaku vs Alvaro Morata?

No contest. Lukaku takes it.

Minus the shiny trophies Morata won playing as a sub in one of the most talented Madrid sides boasting of Cristiano, Modric, Ramos, Marcelo and the other galacticos, I struggle to see what Morata has on Lukaku.

That's an easy one - Morata's link up play. That's the only reason why I was able to be happy with the transfer. I was tired of watching Costa's donkey touch and poor passing.

Didn't Chelsea fans argue so much that Conte is not a defensive coach and not even counter attacking team? Now Morata plays with Hazard only in the attack with 8 players contributing nothing in the attack.

Yes, last season. I can't pretend like I know when/why Mourinho has played with 3 at the back/4231/433. Conte realized he couldn't depend on Willian and Pedro like last season and only felt comfortable playing Fabregas with 2 midfielders around him, so he did the 3-5-1-1 with Hazard allowed to roam freely.

Morata is far better at sitting on the floor waving his hands with a perplexed look on his face

Tis true

Are you suggesting Morata is better than Lukaku then because I think you'd be literally the only Chelsea fan with that opinion still

Not even close. Just wanted to point out a weird statistic and create a discussion.

People are probably slightly overly critical of Morata due to the wank fest on here about him at one point when Lukaku was going through a barren run. Also, most Chelsea fans were smugly convinced that they had gotten the superior player.

Which is why I think it's sort of ridiculous it seems to some United fans like the one's on this page that it's done and dusted - Lukaku's the better option.

Morata has 2 PL goals from the bench so better to do this @Pete Dahh Sneak:

Morata has 8 PL goals in 19 starts
Lukaku has 14 PL goals in 24 starts

So when they both start, Lukaku scores more than Morata.

Lukaku's all round play has been good enough to ensure that he doesn't get benched, unlike Morata who has been dogshit for long periods despite being fed more great chances than Lukaku*. Therefore we cannot see how good Lukaku is off the bench. Morata though, seems a good bench option.

Big chances missed (and remember, this is in less game time for Morata):
Morata 15
Lukaku 10

Morata's only been benched due to tactics though, not because he's out of form and needs the time off. I don't see much else wrong with what you said. I measured it by minutes played, you measured it by starts. I'm personally wary of chances created/chances missed stats, but I could've guessed Morata has fecked up more than Lukaku (although both have more than they should).

I have never understood the goals to minutes argument. Especially for players that don't start every game. It's usually just a way to provide and excuse for players that aren't scoring enough.

You don't understand why it's better to measure a striker using the actual amount of minutes they've played?

 

[Nick7]

If a player plays 90 minutes in a season and scores 3 goals they have a fantastic goals to minute ratio. That's how easily that stat can be skewed.

The real interesting stat here is Morata has only scored twice in the league since the beginning of December despite only being unavailable for three matches out of fifteen. Why is that?

 

[Pete Dahh Sneak]

If a player plays 90 minutes in a season and scores 3 goals they have a fantastic goals to minute ratio. That's how easily that stat can be skewed.

The real stat here is Morata has only scored twice in the league since the beginning of December despite only being unavailable for three matches. Why is that?

But that's a complete exaggeration and you know it because it's a small sample size. Stats should always be put in context. You seem to just be arguing stats are dumb?

"He's only scored twice in the league since the beginning of December". For United fans who don't watch, only care about United, that statement sounds 100% terrible. For me it's only say 90-95% terrible, because I know 3 of those games in that span were coming off the bench because he was either being rested or coming back from his second injury of the season. I'm not making any excuses for him, just letting United fans know what's going on. Especially when there have been posters in this thread (and others) who have said Morata's only scored 12 goals in 30+ games, as if he's been playing 90 minutes every game all season.

 

[haram]

Morata does have quite a good skillset to be a striker for a top team. He just isn't physical enough.

 

[cyberman]

But that's a complete exaggeration and you know it because it's a small sample size. Stats should always be put in context. You seem to just be arguing stats are dumb?

"He's only scored twice in the league since the beginning of December". For United fans who don't watch, only care about United, that statement sounds 100% terrible. For me it's only say 90-95% terrible, because I know 3 of those games in that span were coming off the bench because he was either being rested or coming back from his second injury of the season. I'm not making any excuses for him, just letting United fans know what's going on. Especially when there have been posters in this thread (and others) who have said Morata's only scored 12 goals in 30+ games, as if he's been playing 90 minutes every game all season.

This Is nonsense buddy. His goals to minutes ratio is padded by his great start. As soon as the English season set in and the opposition had a look at him he's fallen off a cliff.
His whole season seems to have rested on those first 4/5 weeks. He has been woeful since then.

 

[SER19]

For me he was never prolific (averaging 0.6 goals per game) but I imagine he won more than his fair share of points for Chelsea. When you say "more trouble than was worth", you must be speaking about trouble for CB's because that is part of his worth. He make them uneasy and puts them off their game. A real menace. He played an important role for 2 titles at Chelsea, one title at Madrid and a Spanish cup. In all those campaigns there were more glamourous teams than Costa's yet his come out on top. I bet Chelsea don't win a title for ages now he is gone.

High praise indeed , particularly to pace him so centrally to whether Chelsea win a title again or not. I think he was very good but don’t think I’d have him near a conversation about best premier league strikers ever for example.

 

[Nick7]

But that's a complete exaggeration and you know it because it's a small sample size. Stats should always be put in context. You seem to just be arguing stats are dumb?

"He's only scored twice in the league since the beginning of December". For United fans who don't watch, only care about United, that statement sounds 100% terrible. For me it's only say 90-95% terrible, because I know 3 of those games in that span were coming off the bench because he was either being rested or coming back from his second injury of the season. I'm not making any excuses for him, just letting United fans know what's going on. Especially when there have been posters in this thread (and others) who have said Morata's only scored 12 goals in 30+ games, as if he's been playing 90 minutes every game all season.

One of his substitute appearances was in between not being in the squad against Huddersfield and Everton. That's odd.

I would like to let you know I don't think Morata is a bad player. I don't think he suits Conte and is suffering because of that. I also don't think he's that good.

And yes it was an exaggeration but better goals x minutes does not make a better player. Rather a question of why he has less minutes.

This Is nonsense buddy. His goals to minutes ratio is padded by his great start. As soon as the English season set in and the opposition had a look at him he's fallen off a cliff.
His whole season seems to have rested on those first 4/5 weeks. He has been woeful since then.

His goals per minute is good because of a hat trick against Stoke, as opposed to Lukaku who has only scored more than 1 once. Lukaku has scored in more games and a higher percentage of games, if we wanna use odd stats