You'll have to admit that Lukaku is not a top class allround striker at some point. It's not about form. And stats don't tell the whole story.
I actually think Lukaku is developing his build up play at United. Notably improving.
Romelu Lukaku vs Alvaro Morata 2017/18
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I actually think Lukaku is developing his build up play at United. Notably improving.
To be honest, I haven’t been overly impressed with either of them.
You'll have to admit that Lukaku is not a top class allround striker at some point. It's not about form. And stats don't tell the whole story.
These things can change very quickly. It wasn't but a few months ago where every muppet in the house was sobbing endlessly about Lingard, his performances, his wages etc.
A couple of goals doesn't make Lingard a United starting XI player. And Lukaku's 11 goals in 10 games or whatever it was didn't convince me we'd made a good buy. His allround play wasn't impressive even while his stats as a poacher was great.
Lingard is clearly a much more effective player this year. And its not "a couple of goals either". He has nearly doubled his goal total from last year and we are only half way finished. His detractors have all but vanished in recent months.
As for Lukaku, he will come good. I expect him to finish with about 30 goals and show more glimpses of the player he's capable of being.
Lukaku was first choice from both sides imo. Utd won that battle for Lukaku so Chelsea didn't have any other option... Time will tell who got better player, it's still early, for now morata is better imo
Oh dear, have seen so many stupid posts but this one take the biscuit. Running the channel doesn't help? Better stick to posting goals and assists, that's the simple thing you can post. Other points are too complicated for you.
Which idiot came up with what ideal Jose striker should be? Milito was great at running channels and Jose had most success with him leading the line. Drogba is lazy comparison and I don't expect any better from simpletons like you who think tall black Chelsea striker means should be compared to Drogba when both can't be more different players.
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I was talking about Lukaku. Morata's probably good enough I agree.
All of this is coming from the genius who thinks lukaku's hold up play is great!!!
Give it a rest bro. All you can do is speculate and put Over the top arguments. Nothing else. Anyone with 2 eyes and a decent footballing brain can see the shambles that lukaku's hold up play and general play is.
You don't even know what you are arguing about. It was about all-round play, not hold up play.General play does not equate to all round play? Oh i forgot you are the dude who took offence on "great" and "very good".
indeed.General play does not equate to all round play? Oh i forgot you are the dude who took offence on "great" and "very good".
You think all-round play and hold up play are same? Well that settles then.
Again why are you changing it to general play even you are on about hold up play?
Oh dear godd!!!!
"Anyone with 2 eyes and a decent footballing brain can see the shambles that lukaku's hold up play and general play is."
HOLD UP PLAY AND GENERAL PLAY
GET THAT? Can you read? Comprehend... FFS, this is just atrociously stupid
My bet is on Lukaku. Goals are the most important thing when coming to strikers. Lukaku's goal tally in United will be better than Morata's in Chelsea
Coming from you is a surprise. You want me to quote your first post before you kept on moving goal posts?My first post
"And yet united fans are thrashing him, left, right and center where as the chelsea fans are decently pleased with him.
No one said Lukaku is not a good goalscorer. But thats exactly where the ball drops with him. His all round play is next to atrocious. Morata is a light years better player."
So now wait a minute, are you confused between "All round play" and "General play" just like you were between "great" and "very good"
Moving goal posts indeed. As soon as you feel you have nothing to say and contribute, you start bringing semantics in the picture. Awww.. feel for you buddy.
My first post
"And yet united fans are thrashing him, left, right and center where as the chelsea fans are decently pleased with him.
No one said Lukaku is not a good goalscorer. But thats exactly where the ball drops with him. His all round play is next to atrocious. Morata is a light years better player."
So now wait a minute, are you confused between "All round play" and "General play" just like you were between "great" and "very good"
Moving goal posts indeed. As soon as you feel you have nothing to say and contribute, you start bringing semantics in the picture. Awww.. feel for you buddy.
Noce try. Your first post that I replied to.
I didn't even say his hold up is good, I said that's his weakness but his all round play is good. Now you are quoting different post to prove your point.
Anyways since you are banned, good day.
Sure it is, but it's not such an overwhelming factor. It's not like they'll have big gap between them either. I'll take a striker with an all-round set of skills scoring a few less any day. Costa, for example, usually only scored 1 goal in a game and rarely padded his record against the lower teams. So he made a difference across more games than most strikers, and he created so much for others (directly and indirectly).
Exactly that really, what good is a couple of extra goals across the season (guaranteed against teams outside of the top 6 too), when your striker has an inferior touch, inferior passing, is worse in the air and has a very low footballing IQ.
Lukaku vs Morata
1. Goalscoring: Lukaku imo is the better player infront of goal, shooting wise. Aerial ability, i would say they are more or less identical but Morata edges out as he seems to be much more clinical with his head.
2. Link up play: Lukaku's link up play have improved a lot. I don't see why he is inferior to Morata in that sense.
3. Hold up play: Morata edges out here since he is much better with his back to the goal. However, let's not forget that Lukaku has a good turn in him.
1. Goalscoring: Lukaku imo is the better player infront of goal, shooting wise. Aerial ability, i would say they are more or less identical but Morata edges out as he seems to be much more clinical with his head.
2. Link up play: Lukaku's link up play have improved a lot. I don't see why he is inferior to Morata in that sense.
3. Hold up play: Morata edges out here since he is much better with his back to the goal. However, let's not forget that Lukaku has a good turn in him.
Lukaku is supposed to be a serious student of football. Apparently he never stops watching footage and studying techniques. It was always one of the reasons I was excited about having him at Chelsea.
Exactly. IIRC Henry also said the same thing.
Odd I don't ever feel like that through watching him.
His decision making I wouldn't regard as great or one of his strengths, quite often he will appear to be on a different wavelength to his team in regards to movement. Then there's the offside moment I'm sure we all remember when he went for the ball and was the only person in the stadium who would've done so.
This isn't a Lukaku Bashing post either just curious, his physical attributes are exceptional and that is what he uses to be successful beat players and score goals, i.e hes quick and strong. But to expect him to take his game to the next level for me would require the technical ability to improve a lot which I don't see happening.
Whereas with Morata his flaws at the moment being he goes too ground too, and how clinical he is I see changing seeing as he has only played in the prem for 5/6 months.
That's clearly wrong. Check his all goals, there aren't many goals where he used his physical attributes to score. He scored goals because of his movement.
Seriously I feel like all the Chelsea fans haven't watched him play at all or they are just bitter because he signed for ManUtd, which is odd as they have signed Morata who is also very good player.
All his goals last season, check how many times he used his movement and positioning to score goals rather than using his strength.
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His movement is helped by his pace (Physical Attribute) and Ariel (Strength). I wanted him to succeed because most Chelsea Fans saw him as the future Drogba when he came, and I could guarantee with relativize ease that I've watched him play more games than you have obviously being interested in his loan development.
I think he is a good striker definitely by no means am I saying he's not. But this is a Morata v Lukaku thread so I am comparing the two where I feel Alvaro wins in every department bar pace and finishing. My original point was its a lot harder for a player to develop natural ability than it is to add a physical aspect to there game.
One of the plus's of both deals for you guys was the fact Lukaku had been used to the prem for (3?) years maybe so he would start at an advantage and was used to the league. He was also used to being in a team with poorer quality service again so his performance would increase. So far they have been similar, Morata has scored a few big goals in big games however and Lukaku has not.
A lot of things people seem to be bypassing in the league also when they say "But they've scored the same amount of goals" is Lukaku has actually played over 400 extra minutes also so that will skew it slightly.
As for the chelsea fans being bitter, I feel its crazy if so. On shed end and just generally chelsea twitter everyone is extremely happy to have morata.
This adds to why I feel Morata is/will be the better player overall and the better investment.
The most underwhelming 'vs' ever.
Bold part doesn't make any sense at all. Everyone relies on their physical attributes to even walk. Move (physical), lift your leg (Strength).
Morata scored big goals? Apart from goal against ManUtd he didn't score or assist against Spurs, City, Liverpool, Arsenal.
Lukaku assisted winner against Spurs.
Not sure underwhelming but most biased vs for sure. People think Morata as some Bemzema Higuin hybrid going by their posts about his overall game.
As someone pointed out earlier, the only reason there's even a 'vs' is because they were signed in the same window and both clubs were apparently interested in both players. That's where any similarities start and end.
I agree that Morata is being hugely overrated while Lukaku is being spoken about as some donkey incapable of kicking a ball. I was, and am, a massive Lukaku fan and desperately wanted us to sign him, but I feel he's been hot and cold and I expect him to show a-lot more of what he can do. I would have happily taken Morata but he's not been too great himself, either despite people trying to make out otherwise. I think both players are capable of better than they've shown but the notion that Morata has been far superior is farcical.
Spot on with everything.
By physical attributes I mean pace and strength both of with apply to the above not sure what' so difficult about that.
He scored against atletico as well and he barely played the city game. So again compared to lukaku his record is better, lukaku is yet to score a goal in a big 6 games and quite frankly hes been shite in some of those games too.
I'm starting to worry he is a bad student. Or maybe he skipped Defensive Headers 101.
If Lukaku had service, he'd score a lot more goals.
Although that’s true, it’s on his part too. Did you see that sitter after a really good cross vs Southampton?
Meh, same thing different poster. If having to score free header after positioning himself in great positions is relying on physical attributes then please tell me a player who don't rely on physical attributes?
Lukaku scored against Madrid.
Morata also relies on physical attributes to score goals. Do you disagree with that?
Morata also missed a sitter, in fact too many easy chances too. No one gives a shit because he plays for Chelsea.
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I find it funny how people can think that a guy with no touch, passing or iq can score as many goals as lukaku has for mostly mid tier sides. Laughable statement I mean you make it sound like any good athlete can just do what lukaku has done when the whole continent is full of great athletic forwards who can’t sniff his record. In reality it takes a ton of iq and clever movement to get into the areas he gets to. He’s not just ramming down midtable defenses it’s insulting to say he has no iq
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Great post. The success he got as a footballer is not for someone without those things you mentioned. Laughable really how the caf said about Lukaku.
But my point is that's all he has, a lot of good strikers rely and utilise there physical abilities, but then they actually have talent on the ball in terms of vision, touch, footwork close control etc.
Agreed Morata is not clinical enough, probably the biggest weakness in his game, his movement is clever though and he doesn't go through games anonymous having hardly any chances. His lack of scoring will tend to be through the fact he has missed chances rather than him not being involved.
No one probably gives as much of a shit due to the fact every neutral knows Lukaku is there to score & Morata can offer more to a team than just goals.
Its also probably because the media fell for the hype of this being a 2 horse Manchester race this year and the expectation rose every week both through the media and on here, until everyone has realised your in the race for top 4 just like the other 5 teams.
Says it all.
Before Lukaku was ManUtd player:
Go and check the video in Lukaku thread and see how many chances he has created. This shitting on Lukaku and overrating Morata is getting pathetic now.
Morata is praised for missing chances now, saying at least he is involved
Lukaku and Morata plays same number of passes (lukaku slightly more than Morata), same number chances created, same number of dribblers completed per game. On top of that Lukaku wins more than double aerial duels and at better win %.
Morata also averages more unsuccessful touches and dispossessed than Lukaku. It's just you see what you want to see, simple as that.