Romelu Lukaku vs Alvaro Morata 2017/18

breakout67 said:
The mark of a world class striker is the ability to pull the rabbit out of the hat, the ability to get shots on target from difficult situations. To handle high pressure situations.

Lukaku and Morata can't drag their team over the line like a Suarez, Ageuro or Ronaldo. They are missing that X-factor.
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Morata has the ability to do outrageous things. His biggest weakness is his inconsistent finishing.
 
Infordin said:
Morata has the ability to do outrageous things. His biggest weakness is his inconsistent finishing.
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You showed a solo run in a game where they lost!

Lukaku and Morata can both do outrageous things, but they are simply below the level of players that are so good they they are the difference.

How many times have players like Ronaldo and Aguero tore a team to shreds with their quality...i've lost count.

One young striker I see with that ability is Harry Kane, he is in my opinion on his way to be world class.
 
coolredwine said:
Understandable because of 3 glaring mistakes. We paid 75M, but not for this.
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i won't judge him for first 2 mistakes. he isn't defender , not really trained to defend from set pieces and clear the ball well , was very unfortunate in those situation

why he shot straight to ederson face bothers me lot more.
we bought a 75M poacher who isn't clinical enough in front of goal....
 
Antonedwin said:
i won't judge him for first 2 mistakes. he isn't defender , not really trained to defend from set pieces and clear the ball well , was very unfortunate in those situation

why he shot straight to ederson face bothers me lot more.
we bought a 75M poacher who isn't clinical enough in front of goal....
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You don't need training to be able to clear a ball.
 
SS said:
You don't need training to be able to clear a ball.
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but it wasn't his main job , he was actually doing well by positioning himself to clear that ball in city 2nd goal because there is 1 city player lurking behind ready to strike ball , he was unfortunate

his main job is to score a goal, there was a huge space on ederson right side to shot at and he bottled it yesterday, that's my only concern
 
Lukaku is suffering from our overall style of play, generally there's about 40 yards between our MF and him, and he's generally on his own up there.

Our wide players generally pick the ball up inside their own half, due to their defensive duties so can't combine with him effectively.

In games where we actually manage to get some players within 20 yards of him I think he's shown some great vision and link up play.

All that said, he has the first touch of Jimmy Saville, which you don't expect for £75m
 
breakout67 said:
You showed a solo run in a game where they lost!

Lukaku and Morata can both do outrageous things, but they are simply below the level of players that are so good they they are the difference.

How many times have players like Ronaldo and Aguero tore a team to shreds with their quality...i've lost count.

One young striker I see with that ability is Harry Kane, he is in my opinion on his way to be world class.
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Kane is hardly young anymore and is already world class. There are only about (maybe) 3 or 3 strikers who are in his category based on what he has done over the past 3 and a half years. Only Lewandowski, Cavani, and Higuain have put up better numbers among out and out strikers.
 
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Raoul said:
Kane is hardly young anymore and is already world class. There are only about (maybe) 3 or 3 strikers who are in his category based on what he has done over the past 3 and a half years. Only Lewandowski, Cavani, and Higuain have put up better numbers among out and out strikers.
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Kane is IMO different level to Lukaku and Morata. I won't call him world class, because he has not led his team to big trophies, but if you call him world class then that is fair.
 
breakout67 said:
Kane is IMO different level to Lukaku and Morata. I won't call him world class, because he has not led his team to big trophies, but if you call him world class then that is fair.
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You don't have to lead your team to big trophies to be considered world class, especially if your team isn't one of the traditional big four clubs in the world's most competitive league. Kane has been banging in the goals at a high enough level for a protracted enough period of time to where we can safely call him world class. There are less than a handful of strikers who can match his finishing quality.
 
Infordin said:
Lukaku is a slightly better goalscorer. Morata is a significantly better footballer.
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That’s just wrong. Have seen nothing from morata to show he is a better footballer. He just gives you the impression he is but he is just as bad in a lot of areas.
 
Another typical header from an Azpi cross. That combo is deadly and Morata is proving himself to be a top signing. United got the wrong man in Lukaku.
 
Bedrocan8 said:
Another typical header from an Azpi cross. That combo is deadly and Morata is proving himself to be a top signing. United got the wrong man in Lukaku.
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Got the right man with Matic unlike Bakayoko, so let’s call it evens.
Lukaku is a top striker and 15 goals in 24 games is a good return. Of course he can improve and I’m sure he will, but the wolves are circling and need something to moan about.
 
Bedrocan8 said:
Another typical header from an Azpi cross. That combo is deadly and Morata is proving himself to be a top signing. United got the wrong man in Lukaku.
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Lukaku has scored more goals than Morata this season
 
Bedrocan8 said:
Another typical header from an Azpi cross. That combo is deadly and Morata is proving himself to be a top signing. United got the wrong man in Lukaku.
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As much as I like Morata , he wouldnt have done any better here especially with little service he would have got. Morata is bet with headers and who here would give him crosses, Lukaku doesnt get so Morata would have been a victim too. Morata v. Lukaku at this stage looks a forced comparison as both of them are doing well. ALos, it's not like Lukaku is not assisting. He should have had 3 assists alone against Leicester.
 
Bedrocan8 said:
Another typical header from an Azpi cross. That combo is deadly and Morata is proving himself to be a top signing. United got the wrong man in Lukaku.
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Lukaku is playing how posters thought Morata would play and vice versa so this place should be happy with who we got?
 
charlenefan said:
Lukaku has scored more goals than Morata this season
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It's Morata first season in the PL, Lukaku is already PL proven. United is second in the league, ahead of Chelsea and scored nearly ten goals more.
Lukaku played 1.800 minutes in the PL, Morata only 1.271 minutes. Both have 10 goals and 4 assists.

Morata is the better deal so far, the better striker in general.
 
Robbie Boy said:
Not overly sold tbh.
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Yeah me neither, very good striker, still young but wouldn't say Chelsea are stronger in that position with Morata in the team than they were with Costa last season.

As said though he's still young, so good chance he's going to get better and go up another level.
 
Raoul said:
He's one a significantly better pace than Costa was last year while playing far fewer minutes. Chelsea do have fewer points which one could argue may be because Conte is not playing Morata nearly enough.
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That's just 1 element though, wouldn't say he's a better finisher than Costa and Costa's more powerful, bullied defenders more and was an all-round cnut. I think a lot of defenders would prefer coming up against Morata than Costa.
 
Number1 said:
That's just 1 element though, wouldn't say he's a better finisher than Costa and Costa's more powerful, bullied defenders more and was an all-round cnut. I think a lot of defenders would prefer coming up against Morata than Costa.
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He clearly is a better finisher since he has a far better goals to minutes ratio and is on pace to grab more assists. Costa appeared to be more of an effective bulling player, but the numbers simply don't support that he was overall more effective. Moreover, Morata has a much bigger upside given that he is 4-5 years younger and only just entering his prime career years.
 
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This was meant to be the question of the season. In reality, they've both been "fine," not awful but not exceptional. Shown glimpses of class, but overall the pair are comfortably in Kane's shadow and no one really cares about either of them.
 
Raoul said:
He clearly is a better finisher since he has a far better goals to minutes ratio and is on pace to grab more assists. Costa appeared to be more of an effective bulling player, but the numbers simply don't support that he was overall more effective. Moreover, Morata has a much bigger upside given that he is 4-5 years younger and only just entering his prime career years.
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Defiantly agree with that. I do think Costa had to go because he caused problems off the pitch too.

I think Costa (on the pitch) was close as Chelsea was going to get to cloning Drogba, whereas Morata as more grace to his play and better on the eye (similar to Torres at Liverpool).

I think he could be come that kind of player in a season or 2.
 
Morata does one thing much better than Lukaku for me and it's clear. When a cross is directed at either of them, Morata is always in full flow in order to get ahead of his defender and Lukaku is either not moving/in a bad position/ has terrible jump timing.
 
Morata is older....not sure any of the big 3 striker signings justify the new price tags, or well maybe the price tag for a 1 in 2 more or less striker is just insane now.

All in for Kane.
 
kouroux said:
Morata does one thing much better than Lukaku for me and it's clear. When a cross is directed at either of them, Morata is always in full flow in order to get ahead of his defender and Lukaku is either not moving/in a bad position/ has terrible jump timing.
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One thing Morata does better is that he doesn't help the opposition score goals unlike Lukaku. That is enough for me!

Give Lukaku one more season. If he doesn't cut it, and I suspect he won't make the grade, we need to be ruthless. Perhaps 2019 is the ideal time to bid for Kane.
 
SalfordRed18 said:
This was meant to be the question of the season. In reality, they've both been "fine," not awful but not exceptional. Shown glimpses of class, but overall the pair are comfortably in Kane's shadow and no one really cares about either of them.
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Yeah - The conversation has been about other players this season.
 
Neither is a good enough for a team that is looking to reach the pinnacle of football. As the only available choices during the summer, it was a tough one. Lukaku was more proven in the league but his flaws were obvious. Morata has more to his game but misses something that top strikers possess. Ultimately, I don't think Morata was too big a miss of us or too big a gain for Chelsea. Both teams would need upgrades at some point of time if they want to be the best.
 
charlenefan said:
Lukaku has scored more goals than Morata this season
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And yet united fans are thrashing him, left, right and center where as the chelsea fans are decently pleased with him.
No one said Lukaku is not a good goalscorer. But thats exactly where the ball drops with him. His all round play is next to atrocious. Morata is a light years better player.
 
didierforever said:
And yet united fans are thrashing him, left, right and center where as the chelsea fans are decently pleased with him.
No one said Lukaku is not a good goalscorer. But thats exactly where the ball drops with him. His all round play is next to atrocious. Morata is a light years better player.
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Lukaku's all round play is not atrocious, it's good enough just that he can't play with his back to the goal.

Regarding praising, there isn't a single ManUtd player who doesn't get criticised here and that's including SAF.
 
didierforever said:
And yet united fans are thrashing him, left, right and center where as the chelsea fans are decently pleased with him.
No one said Lukaku is not a good goalscorer. But thats exactly where the ball drops with him. His all round play is next to atrocious. Morata is a light years better player.
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I guess you haven't been watching him this season.
 
kouroux said:
Morata does one thing much better than Lukaku for me and it's clear. When a cross is directed at either of them, Morata is always in full flow in order to get ahead of his defender and Lukaku is either not moving/in a bad position/ has terrible jump timing.
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Well given the fact that most of our crosses rarely make it past the first defender, Lukaku would have to get ahead of 2 maybe 3 defenders. Morata's movement is a lot better though, but in terms of overall talent I'd say they're equal. Don't think Morata would have been any better or worse.
 
roonster09 said:
Lukaku's all round play is not atrocious, it's good enough just that he can't play with his back to the goal.

Regarding praising, there isn't a single ManUtd player who doesn't get criticised here and that's including SAF.
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Well if you think a poor first touch, no vision, no aerial presence, lack of movement is good enough, then so be it.
Dont get me wrong, there is no doubting his goal scoring ability (which i keep repeating). But imo, he is a poor all round player.
 
Zoo said:
I guess you haven't been watching him this season.
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I have. And other than assisting oppositions, he does not seem to be doing much, is he? When the goals dry, he is next to useless pretty much every game
 
didierforever said:
Well if you think a poor first touch, no vision, no aerial presence, lack of movement is good enough, then so be it.
Dont get me wrong, there is no doubting his goal scoring ability (which i keep repeating). But imo, he is a poor all round player.
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Looks like someone is going by the twitter videos.
 
didierforever said:
I have. And other than assisting oppositions, he does not seem to be doing much, is he? When the goals dry, he is next to useless pretty much every game
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He literally set up two 1v1s against Leicester.
 
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