True. He was world class against chelsea, city, pool, arsenal. One decent game against leicester takes away everything.
By the way, as a chelsea fan, I have watched lukaku 100 times more than you, I can assure you.
Romelu Lukaku vs Alvaro Morata 2017/18
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By the way, as a chelsea fan, I have watched lukaku 100 times more than you, I can assure you.
Great argument.
Much better than your "I have watched 100 times more than you".
For a record he was very good against Arsenal, shows how much you have watched and post nonsense going by twitter videos.
Morata is light years the better player, and better striker since almost every goal of his has directly won games. Better control, touch, balance, technique, wayyy better movement and heading. Only thing Lukaku may have over him is his 1v1 finishing, but even thats debatable.
Regarding the debate of general play, Lukaku went on a goal drought recently and United fans were as good as declaring a state of emergency. Before the Bournemouth game, Morata only got 3 in his previous 14 games yet no one really battered an eyelid because he was still on the whole playing rather well and linking up with Hazard (the fact those 3 goals were all winners probably helped too).
I won't pretend he's the perfect player, he isn't, but his overall game is streets ahead of Lukaku.
I won't pretend he's the perfect player, he isn't, but his overall game is streets ahead of Lukaku.
Lukaku need to prove his all round game. It's too much of a mess/liability at times. Morata appears a better footballer right now but I've watched Chelsea off and in this season.
It definitely is not streets ahead of Lukaku. And Chelsea’s patience with Morata would soon wear thin if he wasn’t scoring. It’s not like the team is tearing up trees whilst he’s firing blanks.
He’s afforded more time because he’s new to the league. Lukaku on the other hand is expected to score almost every game. And because fans are more familiar with him, he is less likely to be cut any slack.
If Morata’s still not scoring after the honeymoon period is up, then perceptions will change.
Should have bought Azpilicueta. CB, wing back, distribution from deep and good ol fashioned defending. He can do it all.
When's the last time one of our defenders was that effectual? Young? Lol
An example would be his involvement in our goal at Anfield, his touch and control to take it away from Henderson was something i don't think i have ever seen from Costa let alone Lukaku. Lukaku is expected to score every game for the same reason Mario Gomez had too, because it's the only way a player with so many flaws can have an inclusion justified. A big reason for going 352 this year is because Conte believes Morata and Hazard are enough threat up top.
What i don't like about Lukaku's game isn't really his lack of technique, Costa was lacking in that department too but he made a difference tactically. Costa would run channels, press intelligently and move defenses all over the shop, Rom by comparison cant/is too lazy to press properly (even his best mate Pogba grilled him for that vs Arsenal), doesn't keep defenses occupied enough with movement and running of the channels and if the rumours true that his recent non celebration's are due to some inner protest against fans criticism then that sums him up, usually i don't take much notice of story's like that but that does fit in with the delusion's of grandeur he displayed while with us.
I can’t even remember the Morata touch. It’s fair to say he’s not been particularly memorable this season. Chelsea are champions remember and standards have slipped considerably. Lukaku has at least been a part of nudging United in the right direction (and ahead of Chelsea currently), but it’s fair to say neither player has pulled up trees this season. Mourinho’s first choice was Griezmann. That’s the player United fans should lament missing out on, rather than Morata.
Your assessment of Lukaku is ridiculously harsh. His running stats are good. It’s actually a lazy argument to label him lazy. It’s the easy go-to for a striker like Lukaku when they have a barren spell. “Oh he’s doesn’t run enough, he’s not making the runs, he doesn’t work the channels.” I think the reality is he’s adapting to a new side, he’s scored a reasonably decent amount of goals, and some of his struggles can be attributed to poor service. His defensive errors of late and the glaring miss to tie the City game have put a lot of negative focus on him.
Well I did not start the "look who is just watching twitter videos" accusations, now did I?
He was great against arsenal? Oh well, must have missed that moment or 2 in 90minutes of nothing.
It's not something i have just plucked up overnight and it's certainly not something i am saying because he's having a barren run, i had those exact same criticism of him while with us and he didn't really do anything to change my mind while at Everton. Service in my opinion has always been a bit of a copout for me (especially to the length's it is used)- Diego was hardly getting world class service at AM yet thrived, Tevez and Aguero were playing in defensive Man.City sides under Mancini yet had no trouble performing, RVP in 2013 etc ofcourse im using big example's but if you are so dependent on quality service you should'nt be a United player.
In my honest opinion he found his level at Everton.
Learn to read. I'm sure you missed more than a moment. I'm sure you checked goals and assists column and thought he had poor game.
You repeat the same shit way too many times. Was proved wrong after Arsenal game, so wait for few weeks before posting the same point.Btw ManUtd fans even moaned about SAF and Ronaldo, so moaning about Lukaku didn't make Morata better, just because 10s of Chelsea fans on forum didn't moan about him. Redcafe has more than 1000 active users and many Chelsea/City fans pretending to be ManUtd fans. Of course they will moan about everything.
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Oh dear. You should watch all the chances created for those players. I seriously doubt you watched any games at all if you think City were defensive when they were among top scorers in the league almost all seasons
Lukaku has won has many games through his only goals tbh. Southampton, Bournemouth etc
And another insinuation that apparently only you watched the game. Give it a rest mate. Lukaku's overall game is sub-par. Maybe you need to take off those rose tinted goggles for once.
So first you started making things up which I didn't even say, now I'm the one wearing tinted googles.
Yeah you didn't watch, otherwise you would have known he was involved in 2 goals, not such big role in third goal but big one in second. Since goals and assists showed 0 you came here posting nonsense as that's the stat you checked before posting.
The same Arsenal game that only DDG stood in the way from their revenge for the 8-2?
Btw ManUtd fans even moaned about SAF and Ronaldo, so moaning about Lukaku didn't make Morata better, just because 10s of Chelsea fans on forum didn't moan about him. Redcafe has more than 1000 active users and many Chelsea/City fans pretending to be ManUtd fans. Of course they will moan about everything.
If we are going by that logic you are the 2nd highest scorers this season so you can't use the service excuse for Lukaku. Mancini was well reknowned at the time for playing numerous defensive midfielders plus Milner on the right wing, that's as defensive as you get for a big team.
Making things up? Whats wrong with you mate.. "Very good"/"great" is a thing for making things up for you? Seriously??!!! Now you are going to play semantics. Just give it a rest.
I saw the game. I saw Lukaku struggling to hold the ball up and give his team any respite when they were under the kosh in the 2nd half. I saw DDG having to make world class after world class saves because there was no outlet for united. Yes lukaku was completely isolated, but put a prime DD in his place and see the difference. Its imperative that Lukaku do all of those things because of the way jose sets up his teams, specially in big games. Get that?
Learn to have some respect and stop acting like you are the only one who knows football.
Yeah only De Gea stood out, Lingard who score 2 goals, Pogba who assisted 2 didn't. We scored 2 goals in 10 mins and then we dropped deeper. That doesn't even answer and say anything about Lukaku's performance. He was involved in 2 goals and that's what you want your striker for.
Re City under Mancini, he was Italian so "he is defensive" bs was used. They scored 93 goals when they won the league. City and ManUtd under SAF created plenty of chances, it's not even up for debate. Not sure what point you are trying to make as RVP, Aguero didn't score Messiesque goals week in week out. They got superb service.
Respect
I'm not calling you an idiot or some mother fecker. I'm judging your posts based on your posts. Lukaku's hold up play was very good in the first half, he was poor in the second half when he could barely even move. To add to that he was covered with 2 CBs with no supporting player. Obviously he will struggle. Again Drogba comparison which means I have to assume you never watched Lukaku play. His strength is not playing with back to goal, it's running channels. So yeah, excuse me for assuming you never watched Lukaku when you bring Drogba into discussion.
Over all play doesn't mean only hold up play with back to the goal.
Well wasn't that a reversal of some of the games Jose and United fans moaned about last season? I lost count of the amount of times he claimed you were unlucky based on the chances you missed, the saves the keeper made and the opposition scoring from their only chance/chances. If you were unlucky in those then isn't it double standards not to say you were lucky when it happens in reverse? Fair play you took 3 out of 4 chances, but play like that again in a big game the odds of BOTH a 75% conversion rate plus DDG making 14 saves are slim.
Maybe i was a bit harsh re 11/12 City title side, but the year before they were very much a defensive/percentage side who didn't create a great deal (especially in big games) remember how much crap they got for their approach at The Emirates? Or at home vs United?
First part, how is it even relevant to this thread. Maybe you should post that in Jose thread.
Second part, Aguero wasn't part of that team.
I would say Lukaku is receiving more criticism than Morata for a few reasons, but one to not forget is that he plays for United. People just don't care about Chelsea the way they do United. They don't generate the same clicks, they don't don't sell as many papers and they're not as hated universally. Hes under way less scrutiny.
For the record i wanted Morata over Lukaku in the summer.
For the record i wanted Morata over Lukaku in the summer.
Lukaku's strength is running channel, he expressed in an interview before season start of this season that, he loves running behind defenders, he loves ball to feet.Respect
Lukaku's hold up play was very good in the first half, he was poor in the second half when he could barely even move. To add to that he was covered with 2 CBs with no supporting player. Obviously he will struggle. Again Drogba comparison which means I have to assume you never watched Lukaku play. His strength is not playing with back to goal, it's running channels. So yeah, excuse me for assuming you never watched Lukaku when you bring Drogba into discussion.
Over all play doesn't mean only hold up play with back to the goal.
So, this lead to the question why JM insists on him playing back to goal, holding, or crossings, long balls?
Both are fine. Neither is as good as Kane, Aguero... hell, even Jesus might become a better striker.
Both are far away from helping their team to win the PL, the way van Persie did it.
Both are far away from helping their team to win the PL, the way van Persie did it.
There were 3 saves that was exceptional. Most other saves are ones that any half decent keeper would be expected to make
Hhhahahahhh.Respect
Lukaku's hold up play was very good in the first half, he was poor in the second half when he could barely even move. To add to that he was covered with 2 CBs with no supporting player. Obviously he will struggle. Again Drogba comparison which means I have to assume you never watched Lukaku play. His strength is not playing with back to goal, it's running channels. So yeah, excuse me for assuming you never watched Lukaku when you bring Drogba into discussion.
Over all play doesn't mean only hold up play with back to the goal.
Lukaku's strength is running the channel, where have I said not??? Are you dumb or just acting like a simpleton.
The point was and is always about his link up and hold up play. Running the channel will hardly help when your team does not have the ball, especially when you are a Jose team. Can you understand that simple thing? The comparison to Dd, is because that is what an ideal Jose striker should be (or costa, or milito). Each of there hold up and link up play is great. The point is about lukaku's hold up play, not just his comparison with DD.
Also, most teams these days play with one striker up front. So what kind of shit stupid excuse is that he had 2 CBs on him.
Both have been underwhelming.
Underwhelming or just continuing at the level they were at before, which saw them as good but not top strikers?
Lukaku's an excellent goalscorer but is not a top tier player. (And he won't be, either.) Too erratic all round play.
Both have shown flashes but nothing brilliant. I was huge advocate of the Lukaku signing but I'll admit I've been dissaponted.
People still harping on about this despite an off form and tired Lukaku still having better figures than Morata?
Just wait until Lukaku hits form (and trust me he will do)
Just wait until Lukaku hits form (and trust me he will do)
You'll have to admit that Lukaku is not a top class allround striker at some point. It's not about form. And stats don't tell the whole story.
People always compare Lukaku to Drogba, but Morata reminds me way more off Drogba than Lukaku does.
He will be more than top tier enough to successfully replace Costa. This is his first year in England and I expect him to get progressively more lethal over time.
No doubt about it.
Neither are world class but both can still improve their game.
However the only reason for the comparison is down to them moving clubs in the same transfer window...which is rather silly.
However the only reason for the comparison is down to them moving clubs in the same transfer window...which is rather silly.