Romelu Lukaku | United confirm deal subject to medical and personal terms

How do you feel about the imminent signing of Romelu Lukaku?

  • Muppetastic!

    Votes: 456 20.6%
  • Happy enough

    Votes: 1,222 55.2%
  • Ambivalent

    Votes: 370 16.7%
  • Disappointed

    Votes: 112 5.1%
  • Oh please god no!

    Votes: 54 2.4%

  • Total voters
    2,214
Status
Not open for further replies.
One thing I have to say I'm very impressed with about his is his self belief. While signed for Chelsea he was adamant he wanted to go on various loans to get the minutes, he even went to sign for Everton despite Chelsea trying to keep him simply because he thought it was the right move for his career. It's paid off for him brilliantly. He must have in his mind been convinced that his chance will come at a big club again. Just hope he works on his touch while with us.

Edit: we should re-hire Berba as Lukaku's personal coach
 
Hearing some interesting stuff on the Lukaku deal this morning.

Apparently the Lukaku fee is so complicated that it's difficult to explain. Almost impossible to put a figure on.

It is likely that it could - all in - cost slightly less than £100m...but United won't pay anything near that. There is a write-off of quite a lot of money...a fee for Rooney (which will be classed as 'free' but actually isn't) a write off of money still owed to United from Everton for the signing of Schneiderlin as well. There are also add-ons that can be paid if United win one league title in five years, two league title sin 5 years, three league titles in five years. More fees depending on our CL finishes in the next 5 years and also more money depending on individual goals Lukaku scores over 5 years as well as where he finishes in Ballon D'Or reckoning over next 5 years. The entire fee could be reported as almost 100m or could even be considered as low as 55m.

Even if we do pay slightly less, we are agreeing with Everton's valuation of 100m for Lukaku, making him a 100m player.
 
Why is it? And why is he ['good looking']? And does it matter?

Ultimately it doesn't matter, but I think the sentiment that Pogba won't be able to get a girlfriend because he has an outgoing flamboyant personality was wrong.

He obviously has a lot going for him. Looks are subjective, but anyway...
 
Who is Jose's 1st choice striker ? Lukaku or Morata ?

Morata was more than likely our first choice but then Woodward probably had some kind of premonition that Real Madrid are just wasting our time and decided to go with Lukaku.

It could also be that Jose would rather have his 2nd targets at an earlier stage rather than getting Morata at the end of August.

Have we ever announced a deal being full completed with interviews and stuff on a Sunday?
 
We just need Perisic (competition at LW for Martial and someone who brings a different element on the wing) and Fabinho (Carrick's future/soon to be successor CDM) now and we'll be good to go in terms of genuinely competing for the league.



---------------- Lukaku (Marcus)

Perisic (Tony) ----------- Mkhi (Lingard)

------------ Pogba (Mata)
------------------------- Herrera (Fellaini)
---------------- Carrick (Fabinho)

Shaw (Darmian) --------------- Valencia
-------- Bailly (Blind) - Lindelof (Rojo)

------------------ DDG (Romero)

Others: Pereira, Young, TFM, Tuanzebe + most likely one or none of Jones/Smalling



...like the threat this potential group (please just get Fabinho and Perisic officially inked) would pose to opposing teams in the league. There's definitely a variety of players who'd offer different dynamics for the club when called upon. Like that diversity and will give Mourinho many options to mix and match versus teams on any given night.

Obviously this isn't a final product or anything as José is still continuing to build the next nucleus of this club along with the others he's already bought in. Give it 2-3 more transfer windows and he'll have the framework done with in terms of the core of the team and at that point United will truly be moving full steam ahead. Not that this roster isn't adequate enough to be moving full steam ahead in its own right or anything - it's more than competitive to be a title contender; more so just mentioning it's still in the developing stages and will need a bit more time to get the remaining key pieces in order to be a true finished product, when United will be legitimate contenders not just in England but Europe and a side to be reckoned with. Surely an exciting time to be a United supporter, future looks bright to say the least :drool:
 
It's a £75m fee less Morgan and Keane monies owing meaning it's £52.5m to Everton in their bank account.

It's still a £75m fee. Plus the potential add-ons.

Everton are insistent that Wayne is worth £25m so that they can call it £100m as that's the so-called asking price.

Even if we hadn't got Rom, we'd have still let Wayne go for nowt. So that cost being factored into the deal is rubbish. It's a significant P&L benefit getting him off the wage bill.
 
Morata was more than likely our first choice but then Woodward probably had some kind of premonition that Real Madrid are just wasting our time and decided to go with Lukaku.

It could also be that Jose would rather have his 2nd targets at an earlier stage rather than getting Morata at the end of August.

Have we ever announced a deal being full completed with interviews and stuff on a Sunday?

Doubt it. Apparently this deal has been going on since April.
 
Rom:

"When Manchester United came calling I didn't have to think twice, my mind was already set. I gave my word and I don't look back.
 
Hearing some interesting stuff on the Lukaku deal this morning.

Apparently the Lukaku fee is so complicated that it's difficult to explain. Almost impossible to put a fee on.

It is likely that it could - all in - cost slightly less than £100m...but United won't pay anything near that. There is a write-off of quite a lot of money...a fee for Rooney (which will be classed as 'free' but actually isn't) a write off of money still owed to United from Everton for the signing of Schneiderlin as well. There are also add-ons that can be paid if United win one league title in five years, two league title sin 5 years, three league titles in five years. More fees depending on our CL finishes in the next 5 years and also more money depending on individual goals Lukaku scores over 5 years as well as where he finishes in Ballon D'Or reckoning over next 5 years. The entire fee could be reported as almost 100m or could even be considered as low as 55m.

The whole thing doesn't sit right with me. The Star this morning claims Chelsea were 'never serious players' in the transfer, but merely keen to demonstrate to the manager their credentials as potential big spenders. This could be Stamford Bridge briefing like mad, but we're told they matched United's bid in every particular except the agent's fee, which they refused to provide for, although £10M is hardly enormous by modern standards. Players are easily influenced furthermore. Chelsea must have known that in the modern game you pay agents' fees or you don't get the player. Penny-wise and pound foolish? I'd ask a more cynical question: why submit a bid one might think was almost designed to fail?

Robbie Fowler has said the deal smacks [and who knows more about smack than R. Fowler esq.? (yes I know it was mainly cocaine but that would ruin the joke)] of last minute desperation. I'm not sure he's wrong. I too don't get why he would take up again with a player he sold because he 'wasn't ready' to lead the line at Chelsea yet who retains many of the faults that caused his departure in the first place. If Lukaku's ambition to be the best in the world isn't just talk he has to sort his game out and fast. Jose believes he can turn base metal into gold perhaps. Good luck to him. For my part I remain to be convinced.

Something not kosher about this business.
 
Last edited:
Doubt it. Apparently this deal has been going on since April.
That would be the case for any target. The groundwork for signing a player would have been done be it target A, target B or target C. April makes sense since Jose gave his list of players 2 months before the end of the season.

So if for example you are trying to get target A and it fails, you already have contact with target B going on.

Unless Perez was saying the truth and we never even bid for Morata.
 
Even if we do pay slightly less, we are agreeing with Everton's valuation of 100m for Lukaku, making him a 100m player.


Kind of...except so much of that 100m is dependent on things that happen in the future...such as 'will he win ballon d'Or? Will he score 25+ goals every season over the next 5 years (or will he do that three times), will we get to a CL final, win a CL? Get to three quarter finals? Win a EPL? Win four EPLs? If the 98m is paid, it's because he ticked every box we would want him to tick in order to become a 98m player.
 
Hearing some interesting stuff on the Lukaku deal this morning.

Apparently the Lukaku fee is so complicated that it's difficult to explain. Almost impossible to put a figure on.

It is likely that it could - all in - cost slightly less than £100m...but United won't pay anything near that. There is a write-off of quite a lot of money...a fee for Rooney (which will be classed as 'free' but actually isn't) a write off of money still owed to United from Everton for the signing of Schneiderlin as well. There are also add-ons that can be paid if United win one league title in five years, two league title sin 5 years, three league titles in five years. More fees depending on our CL finishes in the next 5 years and also more money depending on individual goals Lukaku scores over 5 years as well as where he finishes in Ballon D'Or reckoning over next 5 years. The entire fee could be reported as almost 100m or could even be considered as low as 55m.
What matters is the fee that goes on the books. Lukaku's worth
 
The whole thing doesn't sit right with me. The Star this morning claims Chelsea were 'never serious players' in the transfer, but merely keen to demonstrate to the manager their credentials as potential big spenders. This could be Stamford Bridge briefing like mad, but we're told they matched United's bid in every particular except the agent's fee, which they refused to provide for, although £10M is hardly enormous by modern standards. Players are easily influenced. Chelsea must have known that in the modern game you pay agents' fees or you don't get the player. Penny-wise and pound foolish? I'd ask a more cynical question: why submit a bid one might think was almost designed to fail?

Robbie Fowler has said the deal smacks [and who knows more about smack than R. Fowler esq.?] of last minute desperation. I'm not sure he's wrong [put aside the obvious objections and Fowler's links to Liverpool]. I too don't get why he would take up again with a player he sold because he 'wasn't ready' to lead the line at Chelsea yet who retains many of the faults that caused his departure in the first place [scoring when the team is all ready in front or on top; drifting in and out of play as if his mind's elsewhere; indifferent record against top clubs (it's goals against the bottom feeders than determine the destination of the title I realise but if Lukaku's ambitions to be the best in the world aren't just talk he has to sort that part of his game out and fast]. Jose believes he can turn base metal into gold perhaps, and good luck to him. I remain to be convinced.

I'm probably wrong but something doesn't feel kosher about this.


From what I understand - and I've only learned this in the past 72-hours; Lukaku was always United-bound this summer. But United din't want to announce Lukaku until they'd cut a deal for Matic, because they knew teh Lukaku announcement would hurt Chelsea. They wanted to secure Matic before announcing they'd gazumped Chelsea for Lukaku.

But Chelsea's slowness in getting Bakayoko signed before releasing Matic frustrated Mouirnho and he eventually told Woodward to just secure Lukaku and get it done. But Lukaku was always Mouirnho's first choice.
 
What matters is the fee that goes on the books. Lukaku's worth


Yeah, but we won't know that until 5-years down the line. It's similar to how we are paying for Martial and a lot of the Pogba deal is dependent on future achievements too.

It's the Woodward way of negotiating. It looks expensive but is truly only really expensive if the players and our team achieve certain goals over the entirety of their contract.
 
Anyone who thinks a circa 100m transfer can suddenly materialise last minute out of desperation is off their fecking head on whatever Fowler was snorting :lol:
 
Ultimately it doesn't matter, but I think the sentiment that Pogba won't be able to get a girlfriend because he has an outgoing flamboyant personality was wrong.

He obviously has a lot going for him. Looks are subjective, but anyway...
He said in an interview he doesn't have time for a gf right now and is not looking for one atm. Said the only woman of his life is his mum :D

It's impossible not to like him
 
Similar age and met while is a similar position in life? How do people make friends?

What I heard is that they first met when United played Chelsea years ago and they both were young lads who didn't make the squad so they hung out.

And they have the same agent. Got to be big part of it.

Edit: I see this has been pointed out above.
 
Even if we do pay slightly less, we are agreeing with Everton's valuation of 100m for Lukaku, making him a 100m player.
If we are writing off money owed to us from Schneiderlin (probable) and/or Keane (probably not), then yes that should be included in Lukaku's valuation. But if they are including a fee for Rooney then that shouldn't be, as there was no way we were ever going to get a fee for him in reality. Also I would say any add-ons based on significant milestones such as us winning titles or Lukaku reaching significant personal tallies such as golden boot shouldn't really be included in it either.
 
Chelsea got complacent. Looks as if their strategy, presumably thinking they'd be the only ones in the hunt, was to leave it late and pressurise Everton into buckling on the price.
 
If we are writing off money owed to us from Schneiderlin (probable) and/or Keane (probably not), then yes that should be included in Lukaku's valuation. But if they are including a fee for Rooney then that shouldn't be, as there was no way we were ever going to get a fee for him in reality. Also I would say any add-ons based on significant milestones such as us winning titles or Lukaku reaching significant personal tallies such as golden boot shouldn't really be included in it either.
If Rooney's part of the deal, than of course rooney's valuation should matter. Same as the add-ons, though those would only be added once triggered

Actual payments don't really matter. You could have agreed with everton to pay them in £1M installments in 75 years, Lukaku's still going on the books for the agreed initial fee
 
That would be the case for any target. The groundwork for signing a player would have been done be it target A, target B or target C. April makes sense since Jose gave his list of players 2 months before the end of the season.

So if for example you are trying to get target A and it fails, you already have contact with target B going on.

Unless Perez was saying the truth and we never even bid for Morata.

I get that, I'm just going off of Lukaku's recent quotes. He himself said in late May I think, he knew where he was going. In today's quotes from him, he said he gave his word and honoured that word. So I'm guessing Morata was a smokescreen or a back up option.

Either way, I reckon Lukaku was numer one target...after AG.
 
I get that, I'm just going off of Lukaku's recent quotes. He himself said in late May I think, he knew where he was going. In today's quotes from him, he said he gave his word and honoured that word. So I'm guessing Morata was a smokescreen or a back up option.

Either way, I reckon Lukaku was numer one target...after AG.

I don't think AG was ever meant to play as the front striker. We would have gone for him AND a striker, if not for Atletico's transfer ban.

Agree that Lukaku was our first choice for striker, i think it was reported early June already that he was number 1 target.
 
The interview with ESPN was great. Really liked his mentality. Him and Pogba will be the integral part of our team next season.
 
One thing I have to say I'm very impressed with about his is his self belief. While signed for Chelsea he was adamant he wanted to go on various loans to get the minutes, he even went to sign for Everton despite Chelsea trying to keep him simply because he thought it was the right move for his career. It's paid off for him brilliantly. He must have in his mind been convinced that his chance will come at a big club again

Very similar to Pogba, especially moving to another club because it was the right move for his career (Pogba moved to Juve).

Would you say this is down to their agent? (they are both signed under Raiola)
 
If Rooney's part of the deal, than of course rooney's valuation should matter. Same as the add-ons, though those would only be added once triggered
Who sets Rooney's valuation though? Everybody expected us to simply let him go for free, so to claim that he's somehow adding 15m or so to the price doesn't make sense. Hell, if we are paying half of his wages as some people are reporting then if anything that should go the other way and lower Lukaku's valuation by whatever we are still paying Rooney over the next year or two. I personally wouldn't agree with doing that, but equally I wouldn't agree with including add-ons requiring significant milestones. Basic milestones like us playing in the CL or Lukaku scoring 20 goals a season or whatever - yes. But significant milestones that can only be reached if everything goes well (which of course we hope it does) shouldn't be. They are too 'iffy' whether they are reached or not.
 
How did ESPN even air that interview? Doesn't MUTV usually always have the right to air the first interview with the player after signing him?

 
I don't think he's the right signing for us because of his technical limitations but he's here now so what can you do.

We'd be wise to try and get a fullback who can actually cross the ball to make the most of him though.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.