Lukaku didn't get nearly the respect he deserves, considering his scoring record and age. His technical ability is underrated imo. I think Martial has a higher ceiling but Lukaku is probably already the best striker in the league not named Aguero. And Shaw...no, not even before the injury and even less now that we don't know what he'll be like after.
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I'm basing it on god given talent, those two are the real deal.
This. We don't need a striker next season unless we lose Rooney which we wont. We need to let the youngsters go again.
We need a world class right winger and a world class CM. That's about it.
He is just made for the Premier League and doesnt rely heavily on excellent service. I like his goalscoring record. While there are no certain things in football, with Lukaku i have a feeling he just will never be a flop, for whoever he plays. Same could be said about Kane.
Lukaku as a teenager was one of the highest rated in the game, so tough to say he's any less of a player than Shaw or Martial on god given talent. With the addition of having proved his quality since especially in the PL, I would still rate him higher as a player at this point.
Maybe you are right. It's just that the games I have seen of Lukaku, he also drop a bit and link up with the attackers. He hasn't been too static in the plays I have watched. He is a beast in the area, he can protect the ball and even I have seen more assists of him than Kane.
IMO Lukaku is going to change club in the summer and we don't have a striker like him. Also, he would be cheaper than Kane.
But at the end, it also depends on what happens with Rooney. If we play with a Wayne behind the main striker, it could slow down our play. I could be wrong but that's my feeling.
Most of us have seen his goals this and last season but it's the build up and hold up play that stands out most to me. We lose the ball so often in the final third and that would be an instant benefit for us. Recycling possession for Martial, Mata, Memphis, Lingard, Rashford etc. Then the bonus of goals and direct running and a last defender through ball prescense. That video has a lot of filler mind.
So on talent, you think Lukaku is below Shaw and Martial?
He wants to play in the Champions League not Europa
There's no hard fact to justify who makes the more gifted footballer. That's a matter of opinion, so let's agree to disagree then.
I think that's up for debate, but fair enough.
I don't think we should let the emergence of our young players halt any bid for Lukaku. If we're to get back to where we need to be we need top strikers, and the odds that any of Wilson, Rashford or Keane will become top class just aren't good enough to justify not signing somebody else.
I don't think we should go for him either. We have seen this so many times, players that are average in the PL and then find a season where they perform on an OK level and are all of a sudden going to play for a top team. It don't always work out, just ask Liverpool.
I think Lukaku is a small team forward, the kind that will get a lot of chances because other teams play their whole team against them and he's most of the time only need to get pass 2 defenders by running. It's a totally different thing when the bus is parked in the box and you need to play your way through.
However, Everton are easy to bargain with and should we get a price of 15-20m euro accepted he should be taken under consideration.
I think Lukaku is a small team forward, the kind that will get a lot of chances because other teams play their whole team against them and he's most of the time only need to get pass 2 defenders by running. It's a totally different thing when the bus is parked in the box and you need to play your way through.
However, Everton are easy to bargain with and should we get a price of 15-20m euro accepted he should be taken under consideration.
I can honestly say bar the top 5 teams, every team that comes to Goodison put the whole team behind the ball. It's been this way since Moyes last season. They would be mad not these days as Martinez can't seem to do anything about it and we get killed on the counter.
It's just a bunch of lazy narratives that seem to hold true for other players in recent years - Benteke, Fellaini etc... But I think Lukaku is a tier above that. Like somebody above called Lukaku a 'target man' when it's clear that he's at his best joining in fluid attacks; for his stature he has actually struggled for Belgium a lot in playing as the so called target man when Wilmots shit on a stick football turns a bit hoofball-ish.
I think people just look at his physical presence and think he plays as a target man. His dribbling, playing on the shoulder but dropping deep to link also and even drifting wide are not the traits of a target man. I'd know, my hero was one.
Personally I think he wants PSG
Champions League club, always winning a trophy and he also speaks the language.
Like a few posters have said 'we might get not be in the champions league next season'. Can't see him moving to anyone else but PSG, City or Us in that order.
Champions League club, always winning a trophy and he also speaks the language.
Like a few posters have said 'we might get not be in the champions league next season'. Can't see him moving to anyone else but PSG, City or Us in that order.
He still has his flaws, but his conditioning and first touch have greatly improved over the past year or so.
His physicality and brute strength will ensure that he is always a threat. We would need to play more direct football to utilise him.
His physicality and brute strength will ensure that he is always a threat. We would need to play more direct football to utilise him.
No you are right, I think you have to get service up to him more than some of the other options, but his game has more in that than the traditional big man #9.
I don't think we can get Kane in truth and I agree Lukaku will move clubs this summer.
Rooney is a huge weight around the teams neck, if his role is anything but riding the bench next season we wont be doing much better no matter who we buy.
Really hope we don't lash incredible sums on him this summer.
I can see him quickly becoming a figure of abuse as a lump up front. I'd probably stick with Rashford and Martial interchanging with Rooney to be honest
I can see him quickly becoming a figure of abuse as a lump up front. I'd probably stick with Rashford and Martial interchanging with Rooney to be honest
City? I think we have a better chance of signing him than City to be honest.
PSG I think would be the most likely to pay £60m or whatever, and I also think Lukaku would join utd, or City tbh.
Also reckon he would re-join chelsea if theyd play him, he does support them afterall
Also reckon he would re-join chelsea if theyd play him, he does support them afterall
Surely he wouldn't sign for City? Whole reason he left us was out of desperation to be the main man which he obviously wouldn't be there. United are really his only option if he wants to stay in England.
I'd be really hesitant to pay the required sum to get him, tbh. On his day he's unplayable but when he's having an off game he's shockingly poor at times. His touch is like a tackle and has barely improved at all in years. Really frustrating player.
Upside is that he scores loads even when surrounded by average players at Everton and WBA. Surely he'll score even more with much better players feeding him.
I'd be really hesitant to pay the required sum to get him, tbh. On his day he's unplayable but when he's having an off game he's shockingly poor at times. His touch is like a tackle and has barely improved at all in years. Really frustrating player.
Upside is that he scores loads even when surrounded by average players at Everton and WBA. Surely he'll score even more with much better players feeding him.
Papers are saying Conte wants him back.
Agree with this. He's a very good striker and we've sorely lacked a striker with proper physical presence up top for awhile now. However, I'm not convinced by the idea of spending 60 million on someone who isn't technically great on the ball. For 60 million you generally want someone who even though a day when the goal or assists aren't flowing has the all round game to influence things.
That's often not true though, just look at Bony for example. The top teams usually play against deeper sitting defenses and more compact midfields with less space awarded to the strikers. Often the top teams also can't focus on the strengths of just one player and therefore don't set up in a way that gets the best out of a limited striker. Especially ones, who lack the technical ability to link-up well with their teammates in these situations, can be exposed. Of course it doesn't have to be that way. The player might step up, improve his technique or his movement and reading of the game in tight areas might be better than you realised before. But the idea that 'better service at top teams equals more goals for limited midtable strikers' has often been proven wrong, in fact it's often the exact opposite.
I don't watch enough of Everton to judge Lukaka, so it's not meant as a criticism of him. It's more a general point.
My thing is if we brought in a Lukaku or a young striker, that means Martial is staying on the left for the foreseeable future. I think Martial will realize his fullest potential being a number 9. So I'm not fully keen on the idea, plus we have to think about Rashford and his fit into the team going forward as well.
If you were to pick a starting 11 out of Everton and United. It would be a close run thing in numbers. Coleman, Stone, Baines, Barkley, Lukaku would all be shoe ins just now and a few more names you could argue. We are not loaded with quality at United right now. Darmain, Rojo and Mata are starters for us plus Rashford is a kid but he starts every game now. The way our squad is a mess imo.
We should get a quality left winger to rotate with Memphis/Young and move Martial up top with rashford as back up. No need for another striker.
Yet we're 15 points ahead of them and beaten in both league games this season. Close run thing indeed.
Also, in what universe does Stones ever start ahead of Blind?
I was thinking this too, during the game, and it kept me from being furious at how little we created. I think it would be:
-------------Lukaku-------------
----Martial-----------------------
---------Barkley-Herrera--------
------McCarthy-Schneiderlin----
Baines-Blind-Smalling-Coleman
-----------De Gea---------------
with the fullbacks playing very high up the pitch. Maybe Mata or even Deulofeu on the right instead of whichever of the 4 midfielders is struggling most.
Stones and Barkley are currently more potential than ability, and I wouldn't have them over Mata and Blind. Baines is now a bit injury prone. Coleman and Lukaku would get in.
I do like Lukaku, but I must say it's a bit worrying how poor he was against us in both games this season. In the first match I could say 'fair enough' as he was up against Smalling at his best, but in the second he should have done more. Yes Blind had a great game but, no offence to Blind, Lukaku should be bullying the feck out of him. I guess even the best have their off days though.
He is very streaky and I prefer Kane, but wouldn't complain if we got him of course, hes a very good player.
Incredible how every year people overrate certain team over ours. Fecking Everton is in 12th place, behind WBA and on par with Bournemouth, but yet lots of people here would gladly have half of their players in our squad for big money.
Can't remember Kane ever playing particularly well against us either. I'd take either of them in a heartbeat, so I'm not sure it's that big a deal.
José has always had/wanted a powerful, pure #9 up top so can't really see him playing Martial as your main striker. Think he'd absolutely love Harry Kane but that won't be possible.
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