He sure is. If Inter had drawn last night's match who do you think would have been the culprit?Lukaku carry Conte rather than the opposite.
He sure is. If Inter had drawn last night's match who do you think would have been the culprit?Lukaku carry Conte rather than the opposite.
He sure is. If Inter had drawn last night's match who do you think would have been the culprit?
We’ll see. He worked very hard at first when he came to us.He has turned Inter into title challengers almost on his own. Brilliant player and a brilliant season from him so far. I don't think Inter will carry it on when they play against stronger sides in the league. We do miss him badly even if he played poorly last season.
We’ll see. He worked very hard at first when he came to us.
Most of those players would command 200-300 million over two transfers. (Can’t even imagine Mbappes fee)I'm sorry, but for a striker who has commanded fees over £150 million over his last two transfers, that is a terrible attempt. You're making excuses for him like he's a run-of-the-mill Championship level Leroy Lita. A so called 'world class' striker of his calibre should be burying those no problem, or at least bringing the ball down and managing a better attempt at goal.
Ask yourself this: would a Lewandowski, Aguero, Mane, Salah, Benzema, Mbappe, Dybala do better with a chance like that? Because those are the types of forwards he should be being compared with.
But you can pick any player and do a compilation of their shitty moments, it's not that hard at all. And that includes Salah, Messi, and Ronaldo. What baffles me is selling Lukaku and keeping Martial, that makes no sense whatsoever. Or maybe Martial had no takers, which is understandable.there's something enjoyable about seeing clips of his shitness knowing it's not happening with a United shirt on now. Specially considering he's a bit of a dick.
But you can pick any player and do a compilation of their shitty moments, it's not that hard at all. And that includes Salah, Messi and Ronaldo. What baffles me is selling Lukaku and keeping Martial, that makes no sense whatsoever. Or maybe Martial had no takers, which is understandable.
Martial is better than Lukaku. Hope that helps.
But you can pick any player and do a compilation of their shitty moments, it's not that hard at all. And that includes Salah, Messi, and Ronaldo. What baffles me is selling Lukaku and keeping Martial, that makes no sense whatsoever. Or maybe Martial had no takers, which is understandable.
He is a much better player but do want him to add more goals scrappy or otherwise
I agree he needs to, and I believe him expressing his frustration with those behind him midweek was a sign of a goal hungry mentality he is developing. His all-around play is so much better than Lukaku though. You can see how much more threatening Rashford looks alongside Lukaku. If he can have that type of effect on others his own individual production won't tell the whole story.
Obviously the other key is that we need the service into him and our attackers to consistently be there as it was against Partizan and Brighton.
It makes plenty of sense.But you can pick any player and do a compilation of their shitty moments, it's not that hard at all. And that includes Salah, Messi, and Ronaldo. What baffles me is selling Lukaku and keeping Martial, that makes no sense whatsoever. Or maybe Martial had no takers, which is understandable.
As simple as this.Martial is better than Lukaku. Hope that helps.
No it doesn't help at all, because it's a blatant lie and you know it. All statistical analyses of the two players have shown Lukaku has clearly outperformed Martial every season. They are both strikers so they are very easy to compare. Already this season Lukaku is ahead of Martial. I give you just a short Opta Stats summary on Lukaku (published on 31 July 2019), I hope this helps:Martial is better than Lukaku. Hope that helps.
No it doesn't help at all, because it's a blatant lie and you know it. All statistical analyses of the two players have shown Lukaku has clearly outperformed Martial every season. They are both strikers so they are very easy to compare. Already this season Lukaku is ahead of Martial. I give you just a short Opta Stats summary on Lukaku (as at 31 July 2019), I hope this helps:
"Wayne Rooney (89) (in decline), Eden Hazard (85) (not a striker), Jamie Vardy (80) (first Premier League game in 2014) and Sadio Mane (66) (First Premier league game in 2014) in the list of the competition's top scorers since his debut on August 27, 2011"
42 - Lukaku is by far and away the most potent goal threat in United's squad, having scored 42 times in all competitions since his arrival two years ago - 16 more than their next most-prolific player Marcus Rashford. (what did we win?)
27 - The 2017-18 season was the 26-year-old's best in English football as he netted 27 goals in all competitions for the Red Devils, who he joined from Everton in July 2017.
25 - The most fruitful Premier League campaign of Lukaku's career came in 2016-17, when he scored 25 for Everton - the most in a single season by a Toffees player since Gary Lineker hit 30 in 1985-86. (who gives a feck?)
10 - In the last seven top-flight seasons, Lukaku and Sergio Aguero are the only players to have succeeded in scoring at least 10 goals per campaign. (that his job - how can either martial or rashford beat that when theyve both only been playing in this team for 4 seasons....)
4 - Ruud van Nistelrooy (36), Robin van Persie (30), Dwight Yorke (29) and Zlatan Ibrahimovic (28) are the only United players to have scored more in all competitions in their debut seasons than the Belgian's 27. (all who were in their prime)
3 - Aguero (162) and Harry Kane (125) are the only other players to have scored more than 100 Premier League goals since Lukaku made his first appearance in the competition."
Martial does not even get a mention, but of course you are welcome to post any Martial stats (from ANY source) that outshine Lukaku's. I didn't bother to add international performance stats because it would just become too overwhelmingly landslided. Martial cannot dream of having stats like that, even using a same-age comparison. Out of interest, how much do you think United could sell Martial for at the moment? Don't tell me £74m because you know he is worth nowhere near that.
No it doesn't help at all, because it's a blatant lie and you know it. All statistical analyses of the two players have shown Lukaku has clearly outperformed Martial every season. They are both strikers so they are very easy to compare. Already this season Lukaku is ahead of Martial. I give you just a short Opta Stats summary on Lukaku (published on 31 July 2019), I hope this helps:
"113 - A tally of 113 Premier League goals puts Lukaku above Wayne Rooney (89), Eden Hazard (85), Jamie Vardy (80) and Sadio Mane (66) in the list of the competition's top scorers since his debut on August 27, 2011.
42 - Lukaku is by far and away the most potent goal threat in United's squad, having scored 42 times in all competitions since his arrival two years ago - 16 more than their next most-prolific player Marcus Rashford.
27 - The 2017-18 season was the 26-year-old's best in English football as he netted 27 goals in all competitions for the Red Devils, who he joined from Everton in July 2017.
25 - The most fruitful Premier League campaign of Lukaku's career came in 2016-17, when he scored 25 for Everton - the most in a single season by a Toffees player since Gary Lineker hit 30 in 1985-86.
10 - In the last seven top-flight seasons, Lukaku and Sergio Aguero are the only players to have succeeded in scoring at least 10 goals per campaign.
4 - Ruud van Nistelrooy (36), Robin van Persie (30), Dwight Yorke (29) and Zlatan Ibrahimovic (28) are the only United players to have scored more in all competitions in their debut seasons than the Belgian's 27.
3 - Aguero (162) and Harry Kane (125) are the only other players to have scored more than 100 Premier League goals since Lukaku made his first appearance in the competition."
Martial does not even get a mention, but of course you are welcome to post any Martial stats (from ANY source) that outshine Lukaku's. I didn't bother to add international performance stats because it would just become too overwhelmingly landslided. Martial cannot dream of having stats like that, even using a same-age comparison. Out of interest, how much do you think United could sell Martial for at the moment? Don't tell me £74m because you know he is worth nowhere near that.
“When a manager has to convince players to play in the way the manager wants to play, it's simple. Some players will enjoy it more and others will enjoy it less.
“When you look at Martial, when you look at [Marcus] Rashford, they’re just always tracking full-backs rather than just attack and they just couldn’t in one-on-one situations.
“And I think if I’m in their position it must be hard not to be an attacking team and play in the final third and always tracking back full-backs.”
“We’re West Ham and we played Man Utd a few weeks ago and we felt this.
“I was making overlapping runs and Martial was just tracking me back and at some point he went ‘How old are you?’ – I felt like I can play another 10 years!
“He made me feel young but I felt bad for him because he was just tracking me back all the time.”
He's not played CF much until this season though, where he's been injured for most of it. I'll be the first to say he's not been good enough most of the time but he's finally looking like he's improving and hopefully becoming more consistent. I'll take Martial's control, movement and dribbling over whatever Lukaku supposedly does good (not even particularly great at finishing despite he goal tallies).No it doesn't help at all, because it's a blatant lie and you know it. All statistical analyses of the two players have shown Lukaku has clearly outperformed Martial every season. They are both strikers so they are very easy to compare. Already this season Lukaku is ahead of Martial. I give you just a short Opta Stats summary on Lukaku (published on 31 July 2019), I hope this helps:
"113 - A tally of 113 Premier League goals puts Lukaku above Wayne Rooney (89), Eden Hazard (85), Jamie Vardy (80) and Sadio Mane (66) in the list of the competition's top scorers since his debut on August 27, 2011.
42 - Lukaku is by far and away the most potent goal threat in United's squad, having scored 42 times in all competitions since his arrival two years ago - 16 more than their next most-prolific player Marcus Rashford.
27 - The 2017-18 season was the 26-year-old's best in English football as he netted 27 goals in all competitions for the Red Devils, who he joined from Everton in July 2017.
25 - The most fruitful Premier League campaign of Lukaku's career came in 2016-17, when he scored 25 for Everton - the most in a single season by a Toffees player since Gary Lineker hit 30 in 1985-86.
10 - In the last seven top-flight seasons, Lukaku and Sergio Aguero are the only players to have succeeded in scoring at least 10 goals per campaign.
4 - Ruud van Nistelrooy (36), Robin van Persie (30), Dwight Yorke (29) and Zlatan Ibrahimovic (28) are the only United players to have scored more in all competitions in their debut seasons than the Belgian's 27.
3 - Aguero (162) and Harry Kane (125) are the only other players to have scored more than 100 Premier League goals since Lukaku made his first appearance in the competition."
Martial does not even get a mention, but of course you are welcome to post any Martial stats (from ANY source) that outshine Lukaku's. I didn't bother to add international performance stats because it would just become too overwhelmingly landslided. Martial cannot dream of having stats like that, even using a same-age comparison. Out of interest, how much do you think United could sell Martial for at the moment? Don't tell me £74m because you know he is worth nowhere near that.
Some people just can't looks past "He scored 100 PL goals, mighty Lukaku" nonsense. Good CF playing 7-8 seasons will obviously score 100 goals, that's around 15 goals a season.
Martial surely is overrated and inconsistent but how anyone with just a bit knowledge of football cannot see that he is some classes above Lukaku is strange.But you can pick any player and do a compilation of their shitty moments, it's not that hard at all. And that includes Salah, Messi, and Ronaldo. What baffles me is selling Lukaku and keeping Martial, that makes no sense whatsoever. Or maybe Martial had no takers, which is understandable.
Backpass to the keeper. Good man Lukaku.
It's a weird thing because when you follow other sports and the analytics around them, these type of stats are logically pushed aside or have important caveats. A player like Lukaku is a high usage player with average efficiency, the reason his cumulative stats are that high is because he has had a long career mainly due to the fact that he was built like a grown man at 15 years old. It doesn't make him rubbish but it means that when you use more sophisticated tools, you realize that his outputs is above average but not very good. If you consider him as you would consider Chicharito then you have a valuable player in your hand, if you think that you have the likes of Aguero, Vardy or even a less prolific Firminho then you have a problem because Lukaku's contribution isn't really close to them.
Martial surely is overrated and inconsistent but how anyone with just a bit knowledge of football cannot see that he is some classes above Lukaku is strange.
Exactly. People forget that he started playing professionally at the age of 16 and was a consistent starter at 19 in PL. His record was compared to Rooney, one of the funny comparison. Rooney can be man of the match without even scoring a goal, he was that good and his contribution was so impressive. That's the problem with Lukaku, no one said he is bad player or his goal scoring record is bad. It's just that, for a limited player who doesn't offer much his goal scoring record isn't good enough.
Just compare Martial's performance yesterday, he was playing like a playmaker, creating chances with ease and his touch was so consistent, same with his hold up and link up play. He didn't score but had 2 assists but apart from that he was very good in general play. This is the player who had big quiet first half and still managed to influence the game without scoring.
I could use a french example to illustrate it, Henry has a worse goal ratio for France than Trezeguet but Henry has without a doubt been the better player for France. Trezeguet was a great player, one of the best french player ever but his goalscoring record wasn't good enough in the context of France and he was always in a competition with players that were able to provide more like Wiltord and Anelka. Trezeguet still played a lot but he was never uncontested.
He's a class above at times. Lukaku is jack of spades most of the times.
Until martial can deliver what he's capable of at his best days weeks in week out than people like me will always question him. I prefer players who's doing the basics right and you can rely on a 7 performance every week rather than a player that can do a 10 and a 4 the next week.
It's a weird thing because when you follow other sports and the analytics around them, these type of stats are logically pushed aside or have important caveats. A player like Lukaku is a high usage player with average efficiency, the reason his cumulative stats are that high is because he has had a long career mainly due to the fact that he was built like a grown man at 15 years old. It doesn't make him rubbish but it means that when you use more sophisticated tools, you realize that his outputs is above average but not very good. If you consider him as you would consider Chicharito then you have a valuable player in your hand, if you think that you have the likes of Aguero, Vardy or even a less prolific Firmino then you have a problem because Lukaku's contribution isn't really close to them.
And what do all these players have in common? They scored against top teams ona regular basis.Your point went left when you mentioned Vardy. He's not known as a great contributor outside goals, a la Firmino.
You said that Lukakus output is just above and not very good, due to the amount of games he's played. Actually, when compared to some of the legends of tge past, his output is indeed very good. Do you know that in the PL only, he averages more goals per minute than Vardy, Fowler, Rooney, Drogba and Hasselbaink. Are you now saying that their output in numbers in the PL wasnt very good?
Lukakus output, even after playing many games is very good. How many strikers out there can score 25 for Everton, and 17 in 20 starts for a dire West Brom team?
Astonishingly, James has already scored as many goals for United against the Premier League's 'top six' as Lukaku did in 96 appearances for the Red Devils.
Yes, you did read that right. Lukaku enjoyed a pretty solid scoring record of 42 strikes in 96 games, but just one of them came against the top dogs in English football.
Thankfully he's only 23 and has ample time to iron out his inconsistencies.
I'd liken him to Firmino, a player who joined the PL at 24.
Yup..but he's been here for a good 3 - 4 years. He'll be properly judged now
Your point went left when you mentioned Vardy. He's not known as a great contributor outside goals, a la Firmino.
You said that Lukakus output is just above and not very good, due to the amount of games he's played. Actually, when compared to some of the legends of tge past, his output is indeed very good. Do you know that in the PL only, he averages more goals per minute than Vardy, Fowler, Rooney, Drogba and Hasselbaink. Are you now saying that their output in numbers in the PL wasnt very good?
Lukakus output, even after playing many games is very good. How many strikers out there can score 25 for Everton, and 17 in 20 starts for a dire West Brom team?