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roonster09 said:
Martial has better mins per goal and mins per goal + assist in 2017-18 and 2018-19 season than Lukaku. Rashford’s record is close too.
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You do realise that if you spout lies on here, you will get called out for it? Where did you get your information from? Lukaku league 17/18=3173 mins and 16 goals. Thats a league goal every198 mins. Martial 17/18 is 3397 mins and 9 goals. Thats a goal every 377 mins. Clear advantage Romelu.

Season 18/19 where you allege Martial does better.
Lukaku 2972 mins/12 goals, a goal every 247 minutes. Martial, 3063 mins and 10 minutes, a goal every 306 minutes. Lukaku again, much better.
Rashford was even more atrocious. He averaged a goal every 390 league minutes last season.
Try again.
 
SweetRightFoot said:
That's playing 40-50 games a season as an out and out frontman/poacher, good numbers though.

and now he's putting up even better numbers in Italy with a succession of tap ins and penalties :lol:
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Fact is thats 42 goals in 2 seasons youve let walk away and not replaced. Its all well and good making laughing. But that stupid decision will cost you this season.
 
Tostao_80 said:
You do realise that if you spout lies on here, you will get called out for it? Where did you get your information from? Lukaku league 17/18=3173 mins and 16 goals. Thats a league goal every198 mins. Martial 17/18 is 3397 mins and 9 goals. Thats a goal every 377 mins. Clear advantage Romelu.

Season 18/19 where you allege Martial does better.
Lukaku 2972 mins/12 goals, a goal every 247 minutes. Martial, 3063 mins and 10 minutes, a goal every 306 minutes. Lukaku again, much better.
Rashford was even more atrocious. He averaged a goal every 390 league minutes last season.
Try again.
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In which parallel universe did Martial play 3397 mins in 2017-18 season? And in which parallel universe did Martial play 3063 mins in 2018-19 season.

you know that when you lie, you will be called out right?

Martial played 1623 mins in league and scored 10 goals in 2018-19
He played 1582 mins in league and scored 9 goals in 2017-18.

That's 168 mins per goal. Rashford averages 244 mins per goal. It's 234 mins per goal last season.

It's time for you to stop lying or throw away the Essien calculator.

Also funny how assists are ignored, maybe doesn't suit the agenda.

Just FYI, if a player plays every single min in league then he can play 3420 mins max, somehow you are telling us that Martial played 3397 and 3063 mins in those 2 seasons? When everyone and their dog knew Martial was a squad player and was rotated with Martial in 2017-18 season and 2018-19 season.

Try again :lol: From the guy who posted so much rubbish stats. Go on and tell us how Martial played every single min in the league.
 
Pow said:
Fact is thats 42 goals in 2 seasons youve let walk away and not replaced. Its all well and good making laughing. But that stupid decision will cost you this season.
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Indeed, scoring penalties and tap ins are so easy that, Martial and Rashford are on double figures themselves. Wait, how many penalties have United missed this season?
How crazy would it be if ge outscores Cristiano in his first season there?
 
roonster09 said:
In which parallel universe did Martial play 3397 mins in 2017-18 season? And in which parallel universe did Martial play 3063 mins in 2018-19 season.

you know that when you lie, you will be called out right?

Martial played 1623 mins in league and scored 10 goals in 2018-19
He played 1582 mins in league and scored 9 goals in 2017-18.

That's 168 mins per goal. Rashford averages 244 mins per goal. It's 234 mins per goal last season.

It's time for you to stop lying or throw away the Essien calculator.

Also funny how assists are ignored, maybe doesn't suit the agenda.

Just FYI, if a player plays every single min in league then he can play 3420 mins max, somehow you are telling us that Martial played 3397 and 3063 mins in those 2 seasons? When everyone and their dog knew Martial was a squad player and was rotated with Martial in 2017-18 season and 2018-19 season.

Try again :lol: From the guy who posted so much rubbish stats. Go on and tell us how Martial played every single min in the league.
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I stand corrected.
Git my stats from this:
https://www.fctables.com/players/anthony_martial-208851/
 
roonster09 said:
Martial has better mins per goal and mins per goal + assist in 2017-18 and 2018-19 season than Lukaku. Rashford’s record is close too.
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Goals per min is worthless if you end up scoring 12 goals in a season . Ill take a player scoring 20 goals in 40 games over a guy scoring 10 in 18 games any time
 
lsd said:
Goals per min is worthless if you end up scoring 12 goals in a season . Ill take a player scoring 20 goals in 40 games over a guy scoring 10 in 18 games any time
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you can take anyone you want, it’s your wish.
 
lsd said:
Goals per min is worthless if you end up scoring 12 goals in a season . Ill take a player scoring 20 goals in 40 games over a guy scoring 10 in 18 games any time
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I dont understand the logic here, the only reason to take 20 goals in 40 games player is if the 10 goals in 18 matches player is unable to play the remaining 22 games due to injury. Any sane person would give more games to the 18 games guy.
 
Tostao_80 said:
Indeed, scoring penalties and tap ins are so easy that, Martial and Rashford are on double figures themselves. Wait, how many penalties have United missed this season?
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Didn't Lukaku have a horrible penalty scoring record?
He also missed more than his fair share of sitters.
 
redIndianDevil said:
I dont understand the logic here, the only reason to take 20 goals in 40 games player is if the 10 goals in 18 matches player is unable to play the remaining 22 games due to injury. Any sane person would give more games to the 18 games guy.
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Or manager preferring tall striker to play long ball which was the case with us.
 
redIndianDevil said:
I dont understand the logic here, the only reason to take 20 goals in 40 games player is if the 10 goals in 18 matches player is unable to play the remaining 22 games due to injury. Any sane person would give more games to the 18 games guy.
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Well why else would you have a record of 12 goals in 18 games ?

There is no logic in the thinking Martial or Rashford arr better strikers because they have a better goals per mins record than a guy who consistently scores more than 20 goals a season when they don't come close to that .


Goals per mins mean nothing unless you are playing every week and gettting 20 plus .

Lukaku is clearly a better goalscorer as his record proves yet people are clutching at straws to suggest otherwise with this goals per min theory and the weirdest one yet that goals should only count if they come against the big six.
 
lsd said:
Well why else would you have a record of 12 goals in 18 games ?

There is no logic in the thinking Martial or Rashford arr better strikers because they have a better goals per mins record than a guy who consistently scores more than 20 goals a season when they don't come close to that .


Goals per mins mean nothing unless you are playing every week and gettting 20 plus .

Lukaku is clearly a better goalscorer as his record proves yet people are clutching at straws to suggest otherwise with this goals per min theory and the weirdest one yet that goals should only count if they come against the big six.
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Actually people are clutching when they compare just goals scored without considering how many mins each players played. It isn't Rashford's or Martial's fault that Jose had crush on Lukaku, they fought for their place and contributed. When situation was reversed and Lukaku had to fight for his place, he fecked off.

Even funnier posts are when they completely ignore that Rashford and Martial played as wingers but somehow compare their numbers to players who plays every min as CF. It shouldn't take long before someone comes up with Lukaku > Hazard because he scored more goals.
 
roonster09 said:
Actually people are clutching when they compare just goals scored without considering how many mins each players played. It isn't Rashford's or Martial's fault that Jose had crush on Lukaku, they fought for their place and contributed. When situation was reversed and Lukaku had to fight for his place, he fecked off.

Even funnier posts are when they completely ignore that Rashford and Martial played as wingers but somehow compare their numbers to players who plays every min as CF. It shouldn't take long before someone comes up with Lukaku > Hazard because he scored more goals.
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No one is ever going to say that so no point trying to fudge the issue with it . Maybe Martial and Rashford have played as wingers more often as thats where they are better .

The point people are making is Lukaku is clearly a better forward yet he was sold and Ole and others believed Rashford or Martial could replace him which they can't .
 
lsd said:
No one is ever going to say that so no point trying to fudge the issue with it . Maybe Martial and Rashford have played as wingers more often as thats where they are better .

The point people are making is Lukaku is clearly a better forward yet he was sold and Ole and others believed Rashford or Martial could replace him which they can't .
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Martial is Lukaku's replacement, lets see how many he scores this season when he plays most games as CF. Everyone believed we should replace Lukaku, not that we shouldn't sell him. Not replacing him was a mistake as we are short in numbers and team lack balance.

Martial played as CF at Monaco, Van Gaal played him as CF and moved him to LW when Rashford was having very good season. Solskjaer is playing him as CF. Only manager who played him as LW consistently was Jose. And no he is not better as LW, he is much better as CF. He can be better as wing forward but not as winger who plays like wingback
 
roonster09 said:
Actually people are clutching when they compare just goals scored without considering how many mins each players played. It isn't Rashford's or Martial's fault that Jose had crush on Lukaku, they fought for their place and contributed. When situation was reversed and Lukaku had to fight for his place, he fecked off.

Even funnier posts are when they completely ignore that Rashford and Martial played as wingers but somehow compare their numbers to players who plays every min as CF. It shouldn't take long before someone comes up with Lukaku > Hazard because he scored more goals.
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Lukaku is a better goalscorer than Hazard, by far. That is a fact. Nonone is arguing who the better player is. Lukaku is a better goalscorer than Martial and Rashford, again by far. He has the stats to prove it. Thats the point being made here.
 
I agree with those saying that Lukaku, to this point in their careers, is a better goal scorer than both Rashford & Martial.

There are a couple of things to note though. To this point, Martial & Rashford have both predominantly been playing as wingers as well - not just at CF. And I’d also agree with the notion that it was the correct decision to let go of Lukaku, but then it was foolish not to replace him - especially when we suffered an injury to Martial.

I’m also not entirely convinced how much “better off” we’d have been having another goal scorer in the squad though because from what I’m watching, it seems our issue isn’t as simple as not scoring goals (obviously it is in layman terms) but we’re not creating nearly enough chances. And just having a striker who thrives on having chances created for them wasn’t going to change that stat much.

That’s my take on it anyway.
 
Tostao_80 said:
Lukaku is a better goalscorer than Hazard, by far. That is a fact. Nonone is arguing who the better player is. Lukaku is a better goalscorer than Martial and Rashford, again by far. He has the stats to prove it. Thats the point being made here.
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By far but still Martial has better mins per goal at ManUtd when both played for same team and in same conditions.
 
Ish said:
I agree with those saying that Lukaku, to this point in their careers, is a better goal scorer than both Rashford & Martial.

There are a couple of things to note though. To this point, Martial & Rashford have both predominantly been playing as wingers as well - not just at CF. And I’d also agree with the notion that it was the correct decision to let go of Lukaku, but then it was foolish not to replace him - especially when we suffered an injury to Martial.

I’m also not entirely convinced how much “better off” we’d have been having another goal scorer in the squad though because from what I’m watching, it seems our issue isn’t as simple as not scoring goals (obviously it is in layman terms) but we’re not creating nearly enough chances. And just having a striker who thrives on having chances created for them wasn’t going to change that stat much.

That’s my take on it anyway.
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This is a fair post.
 
roonster09 said:
By far but still Martial has better mins per goal at ManUtd when both played for same team and in same conditions.
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Clinton Morrison finished a premiership season with the best goals per min ratio for the season because he scored one goal and played eighteen minutes.

Did that make him the best forward of the season?
 
roonster09 said:
This is a fair post.
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Aye, it was a tough, but not impossible, task to replace Lukaku’s role in the squad, imo.

This market has gone crazy, so we’d probably still have needed to spend £35-£40m on a striker who was both a good goal scorer but also comfortable playing second fiddle/backup. Tough. But not impossible.

I’m still more pissed off that we didn’t try & resolve our RW & AM/CM issues.
 
Ish said:
I agree with those saying that Lukaku, to this point in their careers, is a better goal scorer than both Rashford & Martial.

There are a couple of things to note though. To this point, Martial & Rashford have both predominantly been playing as wingers as well - not just at CF. And I’d also agree with the notion that it was the correct decision to let go of Lukaku, but then it was foolish not to replace him - especially when we suffered an injury to Martial.

I’m also not entirely convinced how much “better off” we’d have been having another goal scorer in the squad though because from what I’m watching, it seems our issue isn’t as simple as not scoring goals (obviously it is in layman terms) but we’re not creating nearly enough chances. And just having a striker who thrives on having chances created for them wasn’t going to change that stat much.

That’s my take on it anyway.
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The perfect post. We badly need a creative midfielder. If we had brought in someone like bruno fernandez, the topic of Lukaku may not be highlighted as much. When we have Andreas in number 10, we are never going to create.
 
lsd said:
Clinton Morrison finished a premiership season with the best goals per min ratio for the season because he scored one goal and played eighteen minutes.

Did that make him the best forward of the season?
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That's why you generally compare players that have played a minimum amount of games, in that case Martial played more than half of PL games. So your extreme example is pointless.
 
lsd said:
Clinton Morrison finished a premiership season with the best goals per min ratio for the season because he scored one goal and played eighteen minutes.

Did that make him the best forward of the season?
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Yeah, sample size are same :lol:

fecking hell, what a pointless post.
 
Ish said:
Aye, it was a tough, but not impossible, task to replace Lukaku’s role in the squad, imo.

This market has gone crazy, so we’d probably still have needed to spend £35-£40m on a striker who was both a good goal scorer but also comfortable playing second fiddle/backup. Tough. But not impossible.

I’m still more pissed off that we didn’t try & resolve our RW & AM/CM issues.
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Adding goal scoring/creative RW would have added lot of balance to the team and if Ole wanted to play 4-2-3-1 then signing AM would have covered one of the biggest weakness in the team, #10 who contributes to the team and not a liability.
 
MrBest said:
The perfect post. We badly need a creative midfielder. If we had brought in someone like bruno fernandez, the topic of Lukaku may not be highlighted as much. When we have Andreas in number 10, we are never going to create.
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Yep, a creative mid and a right sided attacker would have been mint.
 
roonster09 said:
Adding goal scoring/creative RW would have added lot of balance to the team and if Ole wanted to play 4-2-3-1 then signing AM would have covered one of the biggest weakness in the team, #10 who contributes to the team and not a liability.
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Yep. I agree. Seems our issues genuinely are a lack of creativity - especially from AM & RW. Oh well.
 
roonster09 said:
Yeah, sample size are same :lol:

fecking hell, what a pointless post.
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Its not as ypu keep pushing goals per min when Martial has nowhere near the amount of goals scored by Lukaku .

The only pointless posts is you saying goals pwr min means more than goals scored .

A striker is paid to score goals over an entire season not just go through a purple patch then stop playing whether he is injured or otherwise
 
lsd said:
Its not as ypu keep pushing goals per min when Martial has nowhere near the amount of goals scored by Lukaku .

The only pointless posts is you saying goals pwr min means more than goals scored .

A striker is paid to score goals over an entire season not just go through a purple patch then stop playing whether he is injured or otherwise
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Maybe you watch games in alternate universe. Player can't score when he is on the bench, even when Lukaku was playing like shit, he played every game. Only reason why Martial didn't play much was because of Jose's preference.

Well done comparing player who played 2 seasons including around 30 plus starts to player who played 1 game. Bit of common sense but might be too much to expect.

Also bold part, :lol: you are defending the player who had so many run of games where he didn't score a goal and scored goals in bunches.
 
JPRouve said:
That's why you generally compare players that have played a minimum amount of games, in that case Martial played more than half of PL games. So your extreme example is pointless.
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It's argument just for the sake of it. As simple as that.
 
lsd said:
A striker is paid to score goals over an entire season not just go through a purple patch then stop playing whether he is injured or otherwise
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This perfectly describes Lukaku except he wasn't injured or dropped, he was just shit.
 
MalcolmTucker said:
This perfectly describes Lukaku except he wasn't injured or dropped, he was just shit.
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Don't say that, in their mind they are talking about a player who scores shit loads of goals like Messi, Ronaldo.

fecking hell, he played for ManUtd for 2 seasons and these guys believe he scored over an entire season.

In 2017-18 season he scored 7 goals by end of September and then the dry patch started.

From Oct to end of December (3 months) he scored 3 goals.

From Jan to end of season, (5 months) he scored 6 goals and this is his best season at ManUtd.

In 8 months, he scored 9 league goals.


2018-19 season
From Aug to November(4 months) he scored 4 goals
From Dec to May (6 months) he scored 8 goals (breakdown is even worse)

And somehow people believe he was some goal scoring machine for us and scored all through the season. Must have meant goal a month, doubt he scored even that.
 
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Pow said:
Fact is thats 42 goals in 2 seasons youve let walk away and not replaced. Its all well and good making laughing. But that stupid decision will cost you this season.
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No it won't, having Lukaku was like playing with 10 men, well 9 men when you have Lingard in the same team, but at least now we have 10 men again.... Oh wait, we have Fred, so it was like playing with 8 men, now we have 9 again.

Confused? So was Lukaku when the ball came to him.
 
kouroux said:
Not opportune for us by any means.
The italian clubs were interested in him all summer long and besides you never sell a player like that without replacing him first, specially when clubs know you are desperate
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You are assuming Ole didn't value Martial/Rashford as his replacement?
 
Conte is doing wonders with shielding him from his own histrionics, so that Rom can stay focused on executing.
 
At 25 he had scored 20 plus goals 4 seasons including 96 premiership goals in 207 games but hey Martial who has never hit 20 plus goals apparently has a better goals to games ratio so Lukaku is garbage .
 
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