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Re: the bolded... I didn't at all, wrong poster @SirScholes ?
Re: The red... you "feel" or know? Any stats to back up that "feeling"? any stats to show that Young has a better conversion percentage or that Lukaku is indeed dogshit at free kicks as you say.
Saying "he has only scored one, so Martial can't be any worse" is beyond daft considering Martial has scored none. I need to see conversion percentages for these players to start making such matter of fact statements like yourself. Maybe Lukaku has only ever hit 10 free kicks (playing in the same side as Leighton Baines means chances were no doubt limited), in which case his 10% conversion aint too bad at all
, so far he's missed 2 of 2 for United, but then Pogba has missed what feels like 20 of 20 and I consider Pogba a great option on set pieces.As I said, I'm guessing these lads practice free kicks in training and know full well the pecking order. Here's what Henry had to say after he scored that one for Everton last season:
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I'm really starting to like him up front.
I was a bit skeptical at first, but he has much more to his game than I originally thought. And, of course, there's something about having a striker that almost guarantees you a goal every game.
I was a bit skeptical at first, but he has much more to his game than I originally thought. And, of course, there's something about having a striker that almost guarantees you a goal every game.
Has he missed 20 open goals?
It feels extremely harsh to criticise Lukaku when he's scoring a goal a game but I do worry about whether he can keep doing so when we play better teams and he can't miss chances. Hopefully he'll keep improving and be totally unplayable in a few months.
As a matter of fact, he's not missed even a single "open" goal.
The lad has a blistering start to the season and we have some fans talking about some of his few missed chances? I mean seriously? So far, he has a good conversion ratio and i would love to see statistics on that. Ibrahimovic is one of our most profilic strikers in recent history and he missed numerous chances who cost us games. This is the norm so stop picking on the negatives but instead appreciate how his physical strength, pace, and positioning creates fear and attention, allowing more spaces for his teammates to score.
added ages. you've basically compared him to the elite strikers in the world, who, besides Morata and Dybala, are all older than him, and all in their peak. Lukaku is only 24. when most of those players are too old, he will be one of the best strikers in the world, easily. also, Greizz and Neymar aren't really out and out strikers anyway so not sure why you're adding them (the former may well be with us next year anyway).
again, you're comparing a 24 year old Lukaku with Ruud/Rooney/etc in their absolute primes. why?
Yep, thats just the agenda and story they've decided to go with for now. There is no doubt that there are many areas that he can vastly improve on, but you cannot have a double standard where some players are lauded because of their goal record almost entirely on its own and then others are talked about negatively despite a good scoring record. For me personally I do still see the few things where he's a few percentage off what you would ideally like from your striker, but I'm hopeful that will improve with time and in doing so I believe he can be at the same level as Ruud.
Not one bit surprised. As other posters brought up Andy Cole case. He was ever wrongly accused with being not clinical enough cliche, just by one of Hoddle's punditry work. United player being judged differently harsher, that's nothing new. Our players may take that as compliment and push themselves to be even better.
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You didn't answer the question
It feels like it happens every week, doesn't it? It's such a tired cliche at this point. 'Great goal scorer, but here he should be doing this...'
He should be contributing in defence, winning balls in midfield, creating from deep and out wide, getting on the end of balls, shouting at the players from the sideline, refereeing the match, making stadium announcements, commentating on the match, serving hot dogs and pints of beer and policing the crowds. If he's not doing all of that then I'm afraid he's under-performing.
I really don't understand this discussion. Lukaku stretches the defenses, runs at defenders, harasses them. Our overall game has improved since he joined. But he has wasted about as much as he scored. I don't think there should be a debate about this. If he improves his chance conversion he will become the best striker in this league.
Depends on how people want to define it i guess, have we improved as a team and have we improved the way we are playing are two different things. I agree we've improved as a team, but i don't think we've improved the way we are playing. Basically, 19/20 playing the way we did against Everton won't result in a 4-0 victory.
I don't think we're doing enough to bring Lukaku into the match, so i think we're far away from getting the best out of him.
I don't think we're doing enough to bring Lukaku into the match, so i think we're far away from getting the best out of him.
It's near impossible to score all your chances. From what I remember he missed one on one and one good chance vs Madrid from open play, apart from that I don't think he wasted any chance.
Well that's just not true, is it?
Kind of obvious who it is
Touché.
I've noticed that recently too, and it's quite annoying. I don't know if it is just the typical attitude that once a player moves to United or another big side their every move is scrutinized and they are criticized more than they are praised, or if it is just the lazy attitude pundits always use in analysis these days, with every tired cliche under the sun.
This point is part of a broader topic, but while waiting for the United game to start on Sunday my Dad, brother and I were watching the cricket. The coverage in terms of commentary, analysis, punditry and the way they host masterclasses to increase viewers/players knowledge of the game and how to improve is first class. Instead of basically telling the viewer what they have just seen, it is explained to them why a bowler has done so at a specific length, why a batsman plays a certain shot and also how to do this. They also inform the viewer rather than just tell a viewer what they already know, which football coverage tends to do quite a lot. Golf is the same, especially the USPGA coverage. Football coverage really seems outdated and more 'jobs for the old boys' analysis that is tired and lazy, and other than some of the Monday Night Football coverage it really could learn a thing or two from the way other sports are covered and analyzed.
Apologies for going off topic
I think he only started taking free kicks late last season for Everton, think he may have scored with his first one. He wouldn't have taken many at all before this season.Re: the bolded... I didn't at all, wrong poster @SirScholes ?
Re: The red... you "feel" or know? Any stats to back up that "feeling"? any stats to show that Young has a better conversion percentage or that Lukaku is indeed dogshit at free kicks as you say.
Saying "he has only scored one, so Martial can't be any worse" is beyond daft considering Martial has scored none. I need to see conversion percentages for these players to start making such matter of fact statements like yourself. Maybe Lukaku has only ever hit 10 free kicks (playing in the same side as Leighton Baines means chances were no doubt limited), in which case his 10% conversion aint too bad at all
As I said, I'm guessing these lads practice free kicks in training and know full well the pecking order. Here's what Henry had to say after he scored that one for Everton last season:
IIRC he missed 5 big chances and scored 7 goals. I know it's impossible to take all chances but had he converted 2 out 5 of those missed then I would have no, absolutely no qualms about his out put.
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A discussion relating to the Lukaku chant should go in a new thread... unless anyone believes the chant is having a bearing on Lukaku's performance?...
My bad... one already exists:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/romelus-newest-chant-discussion-thread.432384/page-11
Head there if you want to discuss how well endowed Lukaku is.
Please keep on-topic. Thanks.
Neither did you... but let's see
I recall when Andy Cole came to the club. It was often debated he needed to many chances to convert to goals. He came through his career with a very respectable record of approximately one goal in every two games. I dare say that among many (myself included) he is regarded as one of the club's best goalscorers. Excellent in finding chances and a good finisher although certainly not perfect. Incidentally I think I read that Cole also started his career at United with 5 goals in 5 games .
And that's also the case with Lukaku. He's definitely not perfect and he can approve some aspects of his game but this applies to everyone. Has he missed chances? yes ! And he'll miss many more to. But he's getting his goals and 5 in 5 (or 6 in 6 or 7 in 7, depending how you look at things) is about as good as it gets. So I think critisism at this point in time is weird, yes.
As for your question, I don't know if I'd find it weird to see critisism if he'd had blown 20 chances but that's just not the case. It's just a hypothetical that doesn't exist.
Imagine if Salah played for us. There'd be a sit-in in his thread demanding his arrest.
It's somewhat amusing that you didn't (and still don't) understand the point that was made.
I think he's livened up our attack and as much as I love Zlatan, he's a bit of a breath of fresh air tbh. Has all the attributes needed to improve as well.
Does it count as a missed big chance if he scores his own rebound (like against Stoke?).
Off the top of my head, he missed that chance against Real Madrid (but scored very shortly after), missed a good chance but then scored with the rebound falling back to him against Stoke, had that miss against Stoke late on which probably cost us the points, missed the pen against Leicester, and had that miss against Everton in the first half.
All striker miss chances of course, it's a matter of still staying focus and getting in those chances to put the next one away which he's been doing. His finishing/output considering his chances (and himself getting into those chances) has been pretty standard I'd say. So no real complaints from me.
As others have said, him and Morata are obviously not rated as highly as the others because those have been the best strikers in the world for years now. Lukaku will build that reputation as he keeps scoring 30 goals a season. Put Kane in that list and he's pretty much the same. Those are all late 20's or at 30, apart from Griezmann (who we might sign anyway). If he scores 30 goals a season consistently, which I'm pretty confident he'll easily surpass this season, then we can't have complaints.
I can't believe some people. He's come in and hit the ground running with 7 goals in 7 games and people are questioning him. He's got it all and will only get better as he's still young.
Also, WTF is with this tired, lame argument about him not scoring against the bigger sides? He scored against Real FFS. Last season for Everton, who were a distant 7th in the league, he scored against City in two games, against Spurs and against Arsenal. That very much bears comparison with any of his PL rivals.
Also, WTF is with this tired, lame argument about him not scoring against the bigger sides? He scored against Real FFS. Last season for Everton, who were a distant 7th in the league, he scored against City in two games, against Spurs and against Arsenal. That very much bears comparison with any of his PL rivals.
He's a donkey with the creases ironed out seems to be the view on here.
Some people can't seem to grasp this simple concept. It's almost like they watch the highlights of other teams and come to a conclusion that the other strikers always score.The amount of shit in here after that miss
Ah well, at least you lot are consistent, it was Zlatan getting it last year despite an outrageous scoring rate and it's Lukaku now.
Maybe you should take the hint? As a load of us keep telling you's, all strikers miss chances.
We were mainly poor in the league not because of Zlatan being wasteful, but because our other attackers had abysmal goal tallies last season.
I think if we play to his strengths, we can get more than 40 goals from him alone (in all competitions)
43 in all comps.
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