I'm concerned with his form rather than his ability. The whole team is struggling at the minute. He's more than capable of scoring 20 more goals before the season is up.
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I'm concerned with his form rather than his ability. The whole team is struggling at the minute. He's more than capable of scoring 20 more goals before the season is up.
He must have helped give other players space since we scored more goals and sit second in the league? Trying to find something positive here 
Never said Morata is world class in my previous post. He is above average and technically sound.
Firmino is highly underrated, which is very good for Liverpool as that means he will escape the radar of big clubs. The guy is a beast of a player, on par with Kane in some ways. Both different types of class, so I wouldn't try to compare them though.
He can always score 25 even this season. But the spread of his goals and his overall play is likely to the worst in the top 6. Even though he's young, the abilities he lacks will not come easily if there is no aptitude for them in the first place.
I will back him as long as he plays for us ofc, but can't help but be concerned.
More goals?He must have helped give other players space since we scored more goals and sit second in the league? Trying to find something positive here
After 17 games last year we had scored 24 goals and was sitting 6th place with 30 points.
After 20 matches this year we scored 43 goals and sitting in 2th place with 43 points.
So if we do not score 19 golas the next 3 matches we are doing better this year with goals yes.
Agreed.
I see. Hardly down to him though.
There was even an occasion this season where the ball was threaded through to him, it was overhit but before it had even gone out of play Lukaku was doing that silly clap to the passer.
Now we have that silly non celebration sulk because of the City game.
Now we have that silly non celebration sulk because of the City game.
He scored 10 and 4 assists in the premier league, your points are not valid.
How is it not valid? He's barely scored more than iIbrahimovic
So you're only posting 20 times a day to protect Lukaku because a good manager bought him and plays him. You have no faith in your own observations of him actually playing. Glad we got that cleared up. Except, you have no idea what Jose's thoughts about Lukaku are. He may be disappointed in him, but he wouldn't say so to the press.
Am satisfied with his season and think he's part of why we can finally win games we struggled the past 2 years but find it unfair that our other attackers are often blamed for not giving him service.
A striker like Lukaku isn't the easiest player to service. His wild touch means he can't consistently engage in passing exchanges with his attacking partners to break down packed defences. His touch was great in the Leicester game and he can be so good making nicely weighed final passes but I also remember 2 instances where he would have been clear on goal had his first touch been competent.
With his limited range of finishing and touch I think we do a damn good job at creating the kind of chances he'll score ie straightforward finishes. Also noticed he doesn't thrive on just any type of crossing service. He needs highly accurate floaters (usually towards the far post) because he isn't the nimble poacher type (like a young Hernandez) to attack anything less.
True our attack could be more fluid but he is also a part of that.
A striker like Lukaku isn't the easiest player to service. His wild touch means he can't consistently engage in passing exchanges with his attacking partners to break down packed defences. His touch was great in the Leicester game and he can be so good making nicely weighed final passes but I also remember 2 instances where he would have been clear on goal had his first touch been competent.
With his limited range of finishing and touch I think we do a damn good job at creating the kind of chances he'll score ie straightforward finishes. Also noticed he doesn't thrive on just any type of crossing service. He needs highly accurate floaters (usually towards the far post) because he isn't the nimble poacher type (like a young Hernandez) to attack anything less.
True our attack could be more fluid but he is also a part of that.
Ibrahimovic was barely moving infront and creating no space while Lukaku are actually moving infront and defenders has to follow him thus creating space for wing players and midfield.
That is why we score more goals this year, well one of the reasons atleast.
I dont know how much clearer i can explain this.
(last post of the day so cannot reply more today).
You're a single point ahead of us having had a ridiculously easy start to the season and a piss easy CL group.
I don't see him as undisputed starting striker for United in two years time, he is just too limited.
I am not convinced at all. His first touch is even worse than I imagined it would be, nor is he very clinical.
I am not convinced at all. His first touch is even worse than I imagined it would be, nor is he very clinical.
Lukaku is amazingly static, barely moves. It's been the likes of pogba and linguard who are the reason we have scored more goals.
Agree Hammondo. I always see him on his heels when something happens. He is never ready for the unexpected. He certainly is no Drogba who can bully defenders while Lukaku is very weak.
Never wanted him here...looks like i have been justified. Useless player
Wait, what? Haven't we LITERALLY played the exact same 17 sides and each other. And what does the CL group have to do with anything?
How does that work out when all the PL clubs have played against every other team?
Chelsea also played Manutd at home, with away game yet to be played.
His flaws were apparent even before we signed him, so if we can't make it work knowing that then it's not his fault.
I was never convinced and didn't want him, but there's no point crying over spilt milk now. What we need to do immediately, however, is to rid him off all defensive responsibilities that involved him getting anywhere near our own box. He's costed us relative to our position with City at least 5 points from his mistakes, so we better wise up:
I was never convinced and didn't want him, but there's no point crying over spilt milk now. What we need to do immediately, however, is to rid him off all defensive responsibilities that involved him getting anywhere near our own box. He's costed us relative to our position with City at least 5 points from his mistakes, so we better wise up:
We've been away to Chelsea, Asnl and Liverpool in the first half of the season.
This is just ridiculous.
So Chelsea would’ve had cause to fire Hazard two seasons ago?
Oh please, I was neither talking about a specific length of time nor only about firing someone. Nevertheless , there need to be repercussions.
There is not much to choose between United and Chelsea at the moment, except that you have Hazard and Morata isn't a liability in defending like Lukaku. However, I agree that the likes of Allardyce, Moyes and Hodgson constituted a much tougher start to the season for Chelsea -- tactical geniuses, the lot of them.
How is any job is comparable to sports? At any other job do you have scouts who will watch your every move? Or any other company will bid for employee to sign them? Or any employee will be marketed as face of the company and sign image rights?
Less pointing more scoring would be much appreciated Lukaku.
Unfortunately all my fears about him came to fruition. Work-rate wise he has been fantastic, end product- wise he has been good but for all the money we paid i was expecting someone with better first touch, better technique in his right leg and someone who could convert easy chances better.
There is not much to choose between United and Chelsea at the moment, except that you have Hazard and Morata isn't a liability in defending like Lukaku. However, I agree that the likes of Allardyce, Moyes and Hodgson constituted a much tougher start to the season for Chelsea -- tactical geniuses, the lot of them.
Let's be honest, bit economical to only say "and Morata isn't a liability in defending like Lukaku", which is true, but neglects the larger point which is that he's straight up a superior player. The most surprising thing is the physicality - Morata seems much more willing to put himself about than Lukaku which is infuriating to watch. Given the size of Lukaku I'd expect him to ragdoll even the ugliest of centre backs.
You are the 3rd person who hasn't followed the thread but seen one post and made conclusions. Yes, being a footballer is a job where you are paid for your services by an employer. Of course one can't be that limited to compare things directly.
Clubs are more lenient with their players now more than ever. They feel they need to protect their huge investments, which in turn gives players more freedom to throw tantrums, collect wages, and generally not be too fussed. Players change coaches and sabotage locker rooms. The safety of those huge contracts undoubtedly corrupts many a player, which is why think there should be ways to wake those who don't give 110%. Consequences are what motivate people to do or don't do things.
So what do you suggest? That players should be fired for not playing well all the time or when they are off form? That makes players even richer.
Its an opinion and because it's different to yours and others, doesn't make it wrong. No different than you posting 20 times about what he isn't. No idea of Jose's thoughts?? I don't need to be a mind reader as he plays virtually ever single minute of every game. Is that Jose's way of players he doesn't like? Ask Milki...
I'm not saying he's not got his falls but the idea that people will belittle or minimise his achievements to make their view if is typically forum nonsense. He is here to score goals, and he's achieved that in a very,very average Utd team.
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I suggested fines in another post. Not exactly sure how this can be legally implemented. Another interesting solution is a floating contract, again not sure how you translate that into English.
In the floating contract, there are specific levels of performance which correspond to specific levels of pay. Let's say a player is given a 30-100k pounds per week contract. Depending on performance he can be anywhere between those lines.
The floor is open for ideas but the points stands, i think the basic earnings are high and without any danger of cutting.
That will open can of worms. How do you measure the performance? Goals and assists? If so we can forget team works with every player going for goal or final pass. If managers sets up team like he did vs Liverpool, how can any attacking player play to their best?
Yeah, players basic earnings are high but they are the one who brings revenue to the club. Rather them than owners as fans will never benefit from it.
I don't think fans are benefiting from spoiled, not-100%-giving prima donnas either. How does the coach decide who to no pick in the 1st team? Why can't suspension like that be accompanied by reduced wages? Alternatively, you can make the bonuses much higher and lower the basic? Whoever doesn't play already loses some amount of money, so increasing the impact of this wouldn't open any cans.
You want to fine players for not playing well? I'm sorry, but that's crazy talk
That's why it will lead to more problems. No player would agree to be squad player if basic is so low. Also if player gets fines for suspensions then half of them will even stop attempting to win the ball back.
Coach going by who is on form is different as player won't lose much but when they lose so much money because of coach's decision, I don't think dressing room will be a happy place.
Also it's on coach to bring the best out of players, so blaming players all the time won't be correct either.
It's a job. Not sure what you do for a living but I don't perform well every time I turn up to work but wouldn't expect my salary to be less at the end of the month because of it. If whatever you do for a living became so profiled and endorsed that you were earning 100k a week, would you turn it down? If fans begrudge the wages they are getting, stop supporting the industry that's paying them. Go and support non-league football where you can see your window cleaner score an hat trick.
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