I reckon we could get Vardy in January..
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This comparison with Morata as well, I don't know what the stats say in terms of productivity but Morata looks far slicker for me and he has a presence about him, not in terms of physicality but he carries himself well. He moves well and looks sharp. Lakaku just doesn't have that for me, he's just too one dimensional.
Rashford as a winger, I'm not convinced but he's got qualities that, for me, suggest that there's something in him for him to be given opportunities centrally in certain games.
Rashford as a winger, I'm not convinced but he's got qualities that, for me, suggest that there's something in him for him to be given opportunities centrally in certain games.
How does anything I’ve said in that post contradict what I’ve said in the past? He’s in shit form now. Nobody can deny this. Even fans of his like me.
Morata wouldn’t be doing any better than he is. And if rumours are to be believed, he’s not happy in England already. So why would you want a player like that at United? We need passionate players who know what United is all about. Not luxury “marquee” castoffs who are settling for second best after getting dumped by Madrid.
For the record I still don’t think Martial is a United type of player. He hasn’t convinced me that he can become a Beckham or a Giggs. It doesn’t matter how well he plays. His style of play doesn’t suit Manchester United. Simple as that.
Would offer Lukaku to Spurs plus £80m for Kane, they wouldnt touch him with a barge pole though!
Out of curiosity how did you do this? I'm interested. I'm struggling to understand how 'per game metrics' would take out the factor of the team, or style, when those 'per game'...games are for that team playing that style? Sound a bit like Phase of Play to be honest.
Technically, both players could be worse than Suarez, Ronaldo, Aguero, but that's irrelevant as to one being better than the other. Those are two different points surely?
This.
If you ever speak to me or any other forum member like that again the door won’t hit your arse on the way out.
It’s an opinion but of who we were linked with I think morata would have fitted our style better and dovetailed better with martial and Rashford.
And of course neither of them are at the level of Ronaldo etc. but Kane could be..
If you understand physicality, sometimes it's not till you get older, you recognise how to use it. People seem to forget that we have the first non English player to score 80, yes 80 before he was 24 playing for very average teams. He is absolute quality and whilst poor today doesn't mean his not a very very good player already also proven at international level. Patience people....
Scoring a goal is technical you know. Big and fast doesn't equal goals.....
It is very hard to not think sometimes he's just shite. He can score goals but other times we might as well have 10 players on the pitch. Technically he's quite bad and I have no faith in him when he's through on goal.
I just dont get how is it possible for him to lose so many aerial duels...with Otamendi
Lukaku plays every minute and never gets subbed off, Whereas Morata has played a sub role sometimes. So looking at them on a 90 minute basis can account for that. Percentages mean that it removes the factor that Lukaku might get more balls in the air, Lukaku and Morata have a 50% win rate in the air, so when they get the chance they are the same.
I think Morata and Lukaku are at too simialr of a level to make a difference. It's very difficult to say that Morata is so much better that he will elevate us or vice versa.
My bad, it was out of order to say that.
I don't think Morata would elevate us to that higher level. Madrid fans said that he didn't work well with Ronaldo, Benzema would bring other attackers into play. So I do not see him as a link man, rather a lone striker. I've watched him a lot for Chelsea and I don't see that changing, his ability to bring others into play is nothing special
Had a mare today but I still have faith. Just needs to knock in a few in the next game.
He is one of only five players to score 50 Premier League goals before his 23rd birthday, and the fourth player (and first foreigner) to score 80 before his 24th birthday. As a Belgian international, he holds the all time record of 31 goals scored for the Belgian national team.
God how shit is he...?
If you are familiar with me, you know I am reasonable when assessing Lukaku. I rate his goal scoring ability above Morata and Pogba... What I am saying is for big occasion Lukaku is way behind Drogba, and currently Morata. I am not slating him, but simply saying using stat like goal ratio in this instance will yield terrible result.
That wasn't my point though. What I'm saying is that you spout a lot of nonsense. What exactly justifies your assertion of Lukaku being a United kind of player? Nothing exactly.
Martial this season has as much as 15 goals/assists while Lukaku has 17 goals/assists despite playing over 900 minutes more. It's not far fetched to say Martial would've outscored or outperformed Lukaku if he was given the same opportunities and support provided to our main striker or maybe even Rashford would've matched him too. Lukaku has scored as many goals as past it Rooney who is playing in a far worse team.
He doesn't need to have a style that is an analogue of Beckham's or Giggs' to be a succesfull United player. United don't even play 4-4-2 FFS. What are you on about exactly?
It doesn't matter how well he plays? Wow... what matters then?
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Lukaku had a terrible game today but its not like hes getting quality service regularly. When he does he will score (see goal against CSKA). Hes not a killer in the box like RVN but not many strikers are only the elite ones are like that. Somehow everyone managed to forget about his goalscoring throughout the season and his indisputable record in PL.
People seem to forget that Lukaku has played every minute of PL football this season. Hes due for some rest. That and a tap in goal should get him going again.
People seem to forget that Lukaku has played every minute of PL football this season. Hes due for some rest. That and a tap in goal should get him going again.
So I'm not suppose to talk goal ratio about a forward....
I see.
I think there's a more interesting discussion to be had as to whether the style of play we'd play with Morata up top would be much different to how we play with Lukaku, and whether that would suit our team better. I haven't watched Chelsea enough this season to give an informed opinion on that though!
Lukaku is feckin shit.
We should never deal with Everton again. They have sold us 3 duds in a row.
We should never deal with Everton again. They have sold us 3 duds in a row.
He just doesn't do enough in my opinion. Yes his service is limited, but when he does get moments he invariably isn't making the most from them.
He was dreadful today. I know it's a cliché but his first touch is absolutely woeful, has to be a lot better at this level.
Missed the point again. You were saying because goal ratio at similar age, Lukaku is outright better player than Drogba, which was not true, as I explained when at similar age, Drogba was much better big game player and his overall play benefit the team more than Lukaku.
Benzema has poor converting rate recently but there is no doubt he is more fit to play along side with Ronaldo (and Bale) for a reason. There is occasion, scenario where forward can be judged more than just on their goal.
We have Martial and even Mkhi & Mata, who have good end product. So if Lukaku improve his overall play, he may not need to score as much but considered much better player as he improve the team exponentially.
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Is he on course to get the lowest ever rating for a player on the caf?
He is at a whopping 2.2 out of 10 at the moment.
He is at a whopping 2.2 out of 10 at the moment.
Just seen his chance again, I mean it looked bad enough in the stand, but feck me, he's got to be scoring that.
Big game, one chance, it has to go in... Even Michael Owen figured that one out.
Big game, one chance, it has to go in... Even Michael Owen figured that one out.
Big game bottler.
Have him on 6.0. Amazing because I had him on 7 or 7.1 IIRC by the end of Sep. Just how much my rating fell for him.
It's so weird how his form has just completely fallen away. He couldn't stop scoring and looked deadly in those first 10 odd games.
Now it just seems like he doesn't know where the goal is. I was really surprised he didn't score that chance. Literally anywhere else and he scores, why hit it straight towards the keeper?
Now it just seems like he doesn't know where the goal is. I was really surprised he didn't score that chance. Literally anywhere else and he scores, why hit it straight towards the keeper?
His first touch is like, holy shit it's the ball what do I do now? I personally do not think he is the type of striker we need. We need someone with a couple of brain cells and some speed, also a clever idea of what to do with the ball when it arrives. He is big and he is powerful, but he has not got a lot of skill. But I do believe that if he got more service he would deliver.
I don't think today - and to some extent, quite a few games in the last month or two - should be much of a surprise. We bought him at a time when top strikers were at a premium. I think you'd be hard pressed to argue that he's top class. If Lukaku never improved from here on in, he'd still be a perfectly serviceable, second tier striker for us, albeit one who is prone to fairly pronounced peaks and troughs in form and who, at the very least, could be said to have a no-better-than-middling record against good sides. He scores goals in bursts and isn't really going to win you that many games through moments of individual brilliance.
All that said, give him support and good service and he'll score plenty of goals. And it's easy to forget that he's only 24. I don't think he'll ever be the most subtle or clever of players, but he can develop his game and find ways of adding facets to his game that will make him more difficult to defend against and add a few more goals to his game when he's not playing well. And, if we somehow decide to stop cnuting the ball at him from 70 yards away, well, that might help too.
All that said, give him support and good service and he'll score plenty of goals. And it's easy to forget that he's only 24. I don't think he'll ever be the most subtle or clever of players, but he can develop his game and find ways of adding facets to his game that will make him more difficult to defend against and add a few more goals to his game when he's not playing well. And, if we somehow decide to stop cnuting the ball at him from 70 yards away, well, that might help too.
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We got lucky with Cole, Van Nistelrooy yet Saha was hit and miss, Yorke needed a partner and Solksjaer wasn't trsuted as number 1, Ronaldo was a winger or roaming front man. We missed out big time on Drogba, Torres, Aguero over the years and all have bullied us at times. Early days for Lakaku but so far he is no Luis Ronaldo playing yellow, Inter stripes, Barca colours, Real white at old trafford or PSV top. You can't blame it all on him though, we've been dodge all over the place at times this season so far. City are way out in front but its not even Christmas. I think we'd all take 2nd place to City and a good run in the CL right now. The trouble is, Jose will go soon enough, he don't stay long and neither will De Gea, especially if we don't win the big 2 fish trophies.
I'd take Saha at the moment. The only thing he had against him was his injury record.
Saha was the complete striker. Had everything, including glass legs.
Cole had his fair share of issues adapting in his first couple of seasons with us. And I definitely would have loved to have seen the Caf's reaction to him after the West Ham game in 95. Like with Yorke, I think he needed a quality partner as well.
I think Lukaku is on about the same level as Cole was when he joined us. He eventually adapted and was first choice, but let's not forget we did try and replace him with Shearer when we had the opportunity.
I agree with most of the post except for hoping him to be a more subtle & clever player. That's not true. If anything we want him to fulfill every bit of his physique and raw strength to become an imposing presence on the pitch. Limited player like Fellaini can do that in specific circumstances can influence the flow of the game (this is not creativity or control the game though). Lukaku right now losing too many duels and made to look weak which clearly a sign of his application for his ability is not right. This is not kneejerk about this game in particularly. Lukaku has been bullied in duel for a while now.
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I like Lukaku so naturally I'm disappointed with how things are going for him. IMO it's clear he isn't good enough technically to play for a top, top club like United. He's a stronger, more physical version of Hernandez in the sense that he can be a brilliant goalscorer but doesn't offer much else.
I think it's pretty crap though the way people are going on about his 2 "assists". The first is unfortunate, he's got Otamendi climbing all over him and it isn't Lukaku's fault Silva is literally unmarked in the 6 yard box. If Matic stays where he is he clears it. If Lingard stays with Silva he clears it.
The second is a really poor clearance but it's still so, so unfortunate.
I don't think he's suited to United's style of play. He was ideal at a side like Everton because teams aren't as compact and defensive against them so there was more space for them to attack. Their wingers and full backs would have more space to get down the sides and put the ball back into the box. It's harder for United to do that. And because his technical game is pretty lacking it means he can't compensate for that by coming deeper to receive the ball and making things happen. He's kinda reduced to hoping he can get chances put on a plate for him and when you're playing for the top teams those are generally harder to come by given how deep and defensive the opposition usually are.
I think it's pretty crap though the way people are going on about his 2 "assists". The first is unfortunate, he's got Otamendi climbing all over him and it isn't Lukaku's fault Silva is literally unmarked in the 6 yard box. If Matic stays where he is he clears it. If Lingard stays with Silva he clears it.
The second is a really poor clearance but it's still so, so unfortunate.
I don't think he's suited to United's style of play. He was ideal at a side like Everton because teams aren't as compact and defensive against them so there was more space for them to attack. Their wingers and full backs would have more space to get down the sides and put the ball back into the box. It's harder for United to do that. And because his technical game is pretty lacking it means he can't compensate for that by coming deeper to receive the ball and making things happen. He's kinda reduced to hoping he can get chances put on a plate for him and when you're playing for the top teams those are generally harder to come by given how deep and defensive the opposition usually are.
I can forgive the miss, he should have buried it but the keeper got lucky with the ball hitting him in the neck.
The 2 City assists we’re shocking though he gifted them 2 goals. His current form as been awful he needs the Mkhitaryan treatment.
The 2 City assists we’re shocking though he gifted them 2 goals. His current form as been awful he needs the Mkhitaryan treatment.
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