Didn't watch all the games in detail but his touch and overall linkup play is actually quite good I thought. People went on in his transfer thread as though he is adebayo akinfewa
He's very good, but will probably the miss the level of service he got at Everton
He's very good, but will probably the miss the level of service he got at Everton
This guy's going to crumble under the immense pressure he's on.
It's true sadly. Everton played more opportunistic football with loads of excellent crosses which we completely lack. But we play some counter-attacking stuff, which can balance it out.Where's the white text?
It's true sadly. Everton played more opportunistic football with loads of excellent crosses which we completely lack. But we play some counter-attacking stuff, which can balance it out.
It's true sadly. Everton played more opportunistic football with loads of excellent crosses which we completely lack. But we play some counter-attacking stuff, which can balance it out.
Better crosser than Martial, Lingard, Rashford, doesnt surprise me that conveniently you leave out Coleman, Baines, Lennon, Deulofeu, Bolasie.From the great Kevin Mirallas .
Dont think anybody's saying that, and I wouldnt agree with that so no.So aside from the name 'Manchester United' and the extra zeros in his bank account every week this move is really a step down for his football huh?
Better crosser than Martial, Lingard, Rashford, doesnt surprise me that conveniently you leave out Coleman, Baines, Lennon, Deulofeu, Bolasie.
Dont think anybody's saying that, and I wouldnt agree with that so no.
He's very good, but will probably miss the level of service he got at Everton
What kind of post is this? The caf is so insecureThis guy's going to crumble under the immense pressure he's on.
Just look at all his Everton goals, the service he got from out wide over there, variation in good and sharp crosses, he wont get over here. We are very lacking in those elements and this isnt the 1st time I've said that. We lack specialists, someone like Perisic would do him a world of good. Obviously he has better players around him now, but our wing-play is very non-existent and he has thrived in that for years. Everton are known for their wingplay and width and base their football on that.Your comparisons with his former teammates and his current ones suggest otherwise wouldn't you say? From a basic standpoint as regards Lukaku specifically
Which is really annoying.What kind of post is this? The caf is so insecure
It's become fashionable lately to be the 'sophisticated and objective poster' by criticizing United for everything, just like it used to be in vogue to be the top red defending every move the club made.Which is really annoying.
Anything not United has to be put on a pedestal while our own goods are underrated like no one's business.
This mentality is quite irritating. People will go to any length, even big up mediocre teams just to satisfy their inferiority complex and insecurities.
Dont think this is neccesarily the case. Objectivity also comes with where United is at currently in world football. United were the pinnacle of world football a few years ago, a top 2 club for quite some time with the best manager of all time, so yeah they got criticised a bit less considering they were doing great. Just like Real fans can now defend every move the club/Zidane makes at this moment.It's become fashionable lately to be the 'sophisticated and objective poster' by criticizing United for everything, just like it used to be in vogue to be the top red defending every move the club made.
I've no problem with criticism, heck I don't even care that much about posters who dislike Mourinho and thus disagree with his every move. I'm just tired of every single thread becoming about people taking exaggerated digs at everything the club does. Sign Lukaku? We spend too much money and Morata was better. Sign Matic? Bakayoko was shrewder business. Don't sign Neymar? Club can't compete in the transfer market. And then you have the posters who don't rate a single one of our players except their random pet favorite like Jones.Dont think this is neccesarily the case. Objectivity also comes with where United is at currently in world football. United were the pinnacle of world football a few years ago, a top 2 club for quite some time with the best manager of all time, so yeah they got criticised a bit less considering they were doing great. Just like Real fans can now defend every move the club/Zidane makes at this moment.
However United have been quite poor the past few years, poor league finishes, some dodgy moves on the market, terrible football under Moyes, van Gaal but grossly improved and improving under Mourinho, so criticism will be where it's due. As will praise.
Pretty much agree with everything.I've no problem with criticism, heck I don't even care that much about posters who dislike Mourinho and thus disagree with his every move. I'm just tired of every single thread becoming about people taking exaggerated digs at everything the club does. Sign Lukaku? We spend too much money and Morata was better. Sign Matic? Bakayoko was shrewder business. Don't sign Neymar? Club can't compete in the transfer market. And then you have the posters who don't rate a single one of our players except their random pet favorite like Jones.
I actually think the pinnacle of top redness on the Caf was during Moyes' brief tenure, so it's not necessarily tied to success.
Re: Lukaku, I think he will score goals like he did at Everton but they won't all come from the same type of situations. Pogba's balls over the top will give him one-on-one chances like vs City, and we were one of the best teams at creating chances close to goal last season (and also by far the worst at scoring them).
Maybe with the addition of Matic, Herrera will get more license to drift right to provide some width when Mata tucks in, and his deep crossing is pretty good. The quick early balls out wide that we seem to be trying in pre-season might get some better production from Valencia. Even if we don't sign a traditional winger like Perisic I think we'll have some decent crossing, maybe not as much as Everton but then there are other facets to our attacking play too.
However statistically, Everton scored more goals from headers, set pieces, inside the box and corners. So you could indeed make an argument that that part of their service is better, which I think myself too. In general, I doubt.
Yes because we were very poor in finishing off chances, and the reason Lukaku was signed.
For example: Big chances missed: Manutd 50 Vs 28 Everton
Chances created: 447 - 392
Shots from inside the area: 342 - 301
There are other various stats too, ManUtd missed many chances that was the issue. Not creating them, at least more than Everton.
@roonster09 , Im not trying to argue that Everton creates more chances than we do. And certainly not in total, however the stars I posted do portray that there is more emphasis at wing play, corners and high balls at Everton than there is at United. Which is also clear if you watch them both. And not only more emphasis, also more result out of that.
In terms of crossing, you think the difference in goals scored is predominantly because Lukaku is excellent and Zlatan missed a lot of chances or because of a difference in quality of crossers? I feel Rashford, Pogba can get a decent ball in here but the others..It isn't that clear cut.
ManUtd created 99 chances from crosses vs 95 for Everton
30 chances via through ball vs 13 for Everton (this is Lukaku's strength imo)
Pretty much.It's become fashionable lately to be the 'sophisticated and objective poster' by criticizing United for everything, just like it used to be in vogue to be the top red defending every move the club made.
Better crosser than Martial, Lingard, Rashford, doesnt surprise me that conveniently you leave out Coleman, Baines, Lennon, Deulofeu, Bolasie.
Deulofeu? Also Bolasie has been injured the whole time he's been at Everton and likewise Lennon pretty much didn't play all of last season? Feel like you're just naming players really
Yes its true they have better service from fullbacks than us but other than that it's not that much better than us. If we get Perisic and Aurier our service from wide will be much better than theirs
I hope to be proven otherwise - but it was a mere observation watching Lukaku in a United shirt. There have been numerous examples of players coming to this club & cracking under the immense pressure that we have at United, esp. recently with Memphis, Schneiderlin, di Maria, Falcao, for example.Jaap and Geekie lightning up the thread.
That's not really what happened with those players though? Memphis just couldn't cope with the athleticism of PL defenders which killed his only way of beating his man. He did just fine against the usual European fodder which is the level he was accustomed to.I hope to be proven otherwise - but it was a mere observation watching Lukaku in a United shirt. There have been numerous examples of players coming to this club & cracking under the immense pressure that we have at United, esp. recently with Memphis, Schneiderlin, di Maria, Falcao, for example.
He's questioning it because he's moved back to Barca, rather than him not being good I believe.TBF his delivery is really good, its the rest of his game that is inconsistent/rubbish
As well as numerous examples of players coming to this club and shining.I hope to be proven otherwise - but it was a mere observation watching Lukaku in a United shirt. There have been numerous examples of players coming to this club & cracking under the immense pressure that we have at United, esp. recently with Memphis, Schneiderlin, di Maria, Falcao, for example.
Spot on. People just seem to moan about anything and everything related to the club, mostly because we aren't buying the best FM kids. If we buy anyone above 25-26, they are now too old. God forbid if we buy players who are 28-29.I've no problem with criticism, heck I don't even care that much about posters who dislike Mourinho and thus disagree with his every move. I'm just tired of every single thread becoming about people taking exaggerated digs at everything the club does. Sign Lukaku? We spend too much money and Morata was better. Sign Matic? Bakayoko was shrewder business. Don't sign Neymar? Club can't compete in the transfer market. And then you have the posters who don't rate a single one of our players except their random pet favorite like Jones.
I actually think the pinnacle of top redness on the Caf was during Moyes' brief tenure, so it's not necessarily tied to success.
Re: Lukaku, I think he will score goals like he did at Everton but they won't all come from the same type of situations. Pogba's balls over the top will give him one-on-one chances like vs City, and we were one of the best teams at creating chances close to goal last season (and also by far the worst at scoring them).
Maybe with the addition of Matic, Herrera will get more license to drift right to provide some width when Mata tucks in, and his deep crossing is pretty good. The quick early balls out wide that we seem to be trying in pre-season might get some better production from Valencia. Even if we don't sign a traditional winger like Perisic I think we'll have some decent crossing, maybe not as much as Everton but then there are other facets to our attacking play too.