Rodwell for Welbeck?

Fiskey said:
People seem to be totally forgetting his youth team career, he's not just had one half good season in the Premiership.

The lad has been touted since the age of 15 as a star, he got into the United first team squad as soon as he turned 17 with Ferguson saying he is one of the best talents of recent years. Just ask Peterstorey who seems to agree with my other Arsenal mates, when they saw him in youth team football he was just class.

Growing pains hampered his career from about the age of 17 until this season, he couldn't play more than a game a week, often only playing 60 minutes and this slowed his development. Luckily he now seems to be over that and is showing the potential he did as a youngster, he is just such a natural footballer, such brilliant technique. He's special and we're lucky to have him.
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Plenty of young lads are good in the youth team and reserves. The step up is astronomical - and is a step countless players fail to make.

As it happens, he currently looks like being a very good PL player - whether he's going to be good enough to play week in week out for United is another question. Hopefully he gets a chance, but only XI players get picked each game.

As I've said - hopefully the lad will stay at United next season, after the usual suspects he's the best forward player in the club but it all depends on whether he's willing to go back to a squad role after featuring every week in the hope that he can take a chance when he gets it.

What will be interesting is if Sunderland put in a large bid for him from the Darren Bent money. If United were offered £12 to £15 million, and in need of replacements themselves while having a few decent options upfront then they'd surely be tempted to consider it.
 
RedRover said:
What will be interesting is if Sunderland put in a large bid for him from the Darren Bent money. If United were offered £12 to £15 million, and in need of replacements themselves while having a few decent options upfront then they'd surely be tempted to consider it.
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he won't be sold for 12 to 15 mill pounds, you are under-rating him, if you think that would be the case. he will be a ready replacement for berbatov, whenever he leaves (not in terms of the way he plays but the role in the squad)
 
I think he'd fetch more than £15m in todays market. He is a very promising youngster, and there's a good chance of him being a capped International after tonight. Not many English 19 year olds can boast that.
 
“And the way that Danny is going, if he continues his progress, he’ll be out of the reach of any but the very biggest clubs around.”

I know Sir Alex has said things about young players before and they've not been entirely true, or they've not progressed as hoped, but he rarely makes such bold claims about a player who then goes on to be just another talented youth team player.
 
sajeev said:
he won't be sold for 12 to 15 mill pounds, you are under-rating him, if you think that would be the case. he will be a ready replacement for berbatov, whenever he leaves (not in terms of the way he plays but the role in the squad)
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High praise indeed.

You think he's be willing to stay behind berbatov who it seems will be around for the next two or three seasons at least (if he gets his rumoured 2 year contract extension)?

I'm not so sure. Now he's had a sniff for England he might think he needs to play more regularly.

May even stay on loan at Sunderland perhaps? Would seem to suit all parties.
 
Since he has time on his side, and is a local lad, I'm sure he would love to have the chance to prove himself with us before moving on.
 
Evans, have Rio and Vida ahead of him, and was saying he wanted to play regularly.. ended up staying. Would be the same for Welbeck. Him being able to play on the wings as well will help him.
 
RedRover said:
High praise indeed.

You think he's be willing to stay behind berbatov who it seems will be around for the next two or three seasons at least (if he gets his rumoured 2 year contract extension)?

I'm not so sure. Now he's had a sniff for England he might think he needs to play more regularly.

May even stay on loan at Sunderland perhaps? Would seem to suit all parties.
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We'll need 4 strikers next season.I'm sure Owen will move on which gives Danny plenty of match time at Utd,and as opposed to Sunderland we'll be fighting on several fronts again next season. I see him having a very iimportant part to play for us
 
Wan said:
Evans, have Rio and Vida ahead of him, and was saying he wanted to play regularly.. ended up staying. Would be the same for Welbeck. Him being able to play on the wings as well will help him.
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Exactly.

Neither Fletcher nor O'Shea have ever been guaranteed a place in our starting line-up and they didn't leave to seek regular football (didn't even cross their minds until their late 20s, by all accounts). Even a seasoned international like Ji Sung Park seems willing to accept being 3rd or 4th choice without pushing for a move in order to play regular football.

I don't really understand why people think a young mancunian lad, barely out of his teens, will have much less of an affiliation with the club than the likes of Evans, Park, Fletcher and O'Shea. It makes no sense.
 
I think we have over-rate Welbeck a little here, as people do always with our young players

He wouldn't go more than 12 million pounds if Fergie decides to sell him tomorrow, in fact i would say 10 the maximum
 
Considering Andy Carroll went for 35m, I say we would get more than 10m. Add another 5-10m to that considering SAF don't want to sell him.
 
SATA said:
I think we have over-rate Welbeck a little here, as people do always with our young players

He wouldn't go more than 12 million pounds if Fergie decides to sell him tomorrow, in fact i would say 10 the maximum
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Welbeck is 20 years old and having quite a season, having in mind he was injured for quite a lot. He's a definite prospect and I highly doubt we couldn't get >15m for him.

Rodwell imo is a talent, but nothing special. He should be a good rotational player for us, but can't see him being an improvement to Fletcher...

Welbeck has great potential and IMO he'll come good at the best possible level. Hopefully that would be with us...
 
SATA said:
I think we have over-rate Welbeck a little here, as people do always with our young players

He wouldn't go more than 12 million pounds if Fergie decides to sell him tomorrow, in fact i would say 10 the maximum
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£12 million is a lot of money for a young player. I think thats about right if we were selling yeah

But its something completely different if we were the club buying. I mean Henderson would probably net us about £8 million if we were selling him. Look at the figures he's had attatched to him.
 
SATA said:
I think we have over-rate Welbeck a little here, as people do always with our young players

He wouldn't go more than 12 million pounds if Fergie decides to sell him tomorrow, in fact i would say 10 the maximum
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If James Milner is worth £28m, Andy Carroll is worth £35m, and Darren Bent's worth £24m, our Danny is worth much closer to £20m than £10m. Loads more potential than any of them, more versatile than either Bent or Carroll and has proven just about as much as Carroll has.
 
forevrared said:
If James Milner is worth £28m, Andy Carroll is worth £35m, and Darren Bent's worth £24m, our Danny is worth much closer to £20m than £10m. Loads more potential than any of them, more versatile than either Bent or Carroll and has proven just about as much as Carroll has.
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You really think that is somebody out there who would offer 20m for Welbeck? We know Carroll was a panic buy and not worth the money Liverpool paid for him but that does not mean Welbeck is worth 20m.
 
RDCR07 said:
You really think that is somebody out there who would offer 20m for Welbeck? We know Carroll was a panic buy and not worth the money Liverpool paid for him but that does not mean Welbeck is worth 20m.
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most wouldn't bother with a bid, knowing that he won't be for sale.
 
I dont think anyone is going to bid 20m for him, and thats the reason I dont think he will be sold.
I really dont want us to sell him, I think he's great. But everyone has a price. For me, he is very highly rated by us and we wont sell unless we are offered crazy money for him, which i dont think anyone will.


oh and I dont mean he's for sale at 20m. the point was we would probably laugh a ~15m bid off without a second thought.
 
forevrared said:
If James Milner is worth £28m, Andy Carroll is worth £35m, and Darren Bent's worth £24m, our Danny is worth much closer to £20m than £10m. Loads more potential than any of them, more versatile than either Bent or Carroll and has proven just about as much as Carroll has.
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Surely its all a question of circumstance?

Carroll and Bent were bought by clubs desperate to make a mark and they were held to ransom. Carroll particularly - given he'd signed a 5 year contract with his home town club and the bid was made on the last day of the transfer window. Milner went to City - who always pay well over the odds and were themselves held to ransom.

Very few clubs could afford to pay more than £12 - 15 million for a player other than the top four, and I can't see the top four being interested in Welbeck. So if he wanted to leave (a big if) it would depend on what the club could get for him.

No doubt he's a big talent but if he's worth £20m plus then whats Wilshere worth - £45m? And if he's worth that what about Fabregas - £70 million?

Its very difficult to compare. A players only worth what clubs will pay so they may choose to keep him - but then, if he's not playing and his contract is running down his value drops again. Catch 22.
 
Inigo Montoya said:
We'll need 4 strikers next season.I'm sure Owen will move on which gives Danny plenty of match time at Utd,and as opposed to Sunderland we'll be fighting on several fronts again next season. I see him having a very iimportant part to play for us
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He's ceratinly a better bet than any other 4th choice forward at the club but the question is whether he's happy with that?

Another factor is whether we sign (and who we sign) to play in central midfield. Some of the players linked to the club are attacking player who'll play off the front man. Could mean a move back towards one up top more frequently.

All speculation at this stage I suppose.
 
I think its still up in the air as to whether Danny stays or goes. I think he will stay for at least another year, as he has great potential and now, he's an england international. Not bad for a 20 year old.

But, if a large bid was made of 20m, our resolve might be tested or if we were interested in someone like Modric / Bale and Harry wanted him as part of the deal. then, Fergie might decide that the trade off is worth it.

I don't think we would swap one potential star for another like Rodwell, Henderson etc, unless we really had decided that he has absolutely no future with us.
 
Who is going to bid £20 million for Welbeck? A title rival? In which case its worth more than that to us... As we dont want to be strengthening our rivals.
 
Inigo Montoya said:
Rossi wasn't given a chance to do this TBF.He was loaned out to Parma(Ithink) and he scored there but clearly didn't figure in SAFs long term plans
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On the contrary, he featured in SAF's long term plans. It just he wasn't patient enough to wait for his chance.
If he hadn't been so impatient he would have had for keeps the role we gave to Tevez for 2 seasons.
 
RedRover said:
He's ceratinly a better bet than any other 4th choice forward at the club but the question is whether he's happy with that?

Another factor is whether we sign (and who we sign) to play in central midfield. Some of the players linked to the club are attacking player who'll play off the front man. Could mean a move back towards one up top more frequently.

All speculation at this stage I suppose.
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With the strength of forwardline we currently have. 1 up top will be a rare occurrence if we sort out our midfield this summer.

Furthermore a lad like Welbeck has the added advantage of being able to play wide. So he'd suit our 4-3-3 formations for big games down to the ground.
 
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