No, I'd rather keep Welbeck.
Rodwell for Welbeck?
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So if we keep Danny, we'll be getting rid of someone surely - who's to go? Money would be on Owen, although I honestly think with Rooney's outburst he might be possibly off, and even Berbatov might be getting annoyed at not being played in the big games and fancy a last fandango with a German club?
All up in the air I think, although Owen seems most likely which is a shame...
All up in the air I think, although Owen seems most likely which is a shame...
The things he's criticising are actually some of his main strengths too. His build up play and his footballing brain are the two things which stand out whenever you see him play.
I have just received this PM from a poster called MI23.
MI23 said:
Will be good if he played for England against Ghana, his parent's homeland.
But we cannot use Owen as makeweight because he is out of contract this summer. He will be a free transfer for Everton.
But Owen did say he does not want to move to lower level team and that he will be happy to even stay on the bench if he remains here.
Good point, but I wasn't talking about using Owen as a makeweight - personally I'd like to keep him on as his experience and finishing ability is a huge plus, but can we accommodate 5+ senior strikers?
The other way to look at it is Welbeck expandable?
He's probably a year or two away (max) from being a possible regular starter at United. By that time, Father Time would have been knocking on Berba's EPL door. I cant see us selling him now considering that he's past getting a substantial recovery on the initial investment of 28million squids. Besides he gives us a different type of player upfront rather than the usual rabbits.
The question is who do we have in the pipeline for that time-frame that could be better than Welbeck?
Cofie, Keane or Josh King?
Great potential players as they are but they still leave us with a big talent/experience gap if we got rid of Danny this summer -- unless we think the mentioned ressies are willing to step up ASAP.
Then the only option would be to buy but I am sure our priorities/budget lay in the midfield this summer -- which I am sure has already been budgeted for a while. Just trying to squeeze out as much as we can with an aging Scholes and a limited central midfield talents in Gibbo, Carrick and Fletcher.
So I suspect Fergie will keep Danny this summer and see how the others progress in the next season's academy/reserve football -- and then decide the following summer.
He's probably a year or two away (max) from being a possible regular starter at United. By that time, Father Time would have been knocking on Berba's EPL door. I cant see us selling him now considering that he's past getting a substantial recovery on the initial investment of 28million squids. Besides he gives us a different type of player upfront rather than the usual rabbits.
The question is who do we have in the pipeline for that time-frame that could be better than Welbeck?
Cofie, Keane or Josh King?
Great potential players as they are but they still leave us with a big talent/experience gap if we got rid of Danny this summer -- unless we think the mentioned ressies are willing to step up ASAP.
Then the only option would be to buy but I am sure our priorities/budget lay in the midfield this summer -- which I am sure has already been budgeted for a while. Just trying to squeeze out as much as we can with an aging Scholes and a limited central midfield talents in Gibbo, Carrick and Fletcher.
So I suspect Fergie will keep Danny this summer and see how the others progress in the next season's academy/reserve football -- and then decide the following summer.
That old chestnut again! What different type of player is he, a water-polo player? A la crosse expert? He's a striker, plain and simple and whatever this difference is you mention, he hasn't brought it because he's scoring goals in the same vein as most other strikers in the Premiership. Trapping the ball exquisitely make for great youtube compilations but nothing if they amount to nothing, sorry...
But I agree, the priority is the midfield because we have a plethora of quality strikers with some to return and some to send out on loan (King, Macheda etc).
I have no doubt that Welbeck is a good player, but looking at the age of Rooney, Hernandez, Berbatov (not that much of a physical player might last well into late 30s) where can we afford to slot Welbeck? This is not FM where they're happy with 1 game each.
Not to mention we have Macheda, Bebe?
While in the midfield we are really abre bone with Hargreaves (can be considered done and dusted) out, Scholes ageing (He can't last forever), Giggs, Carrick (slump of form too often), Fletcher being Fletcher
We really need some alternatives at least to ease Scholes' burden in the midfield.
Not to mention we have Macheda, Bebe?
While in the midfield we are really abre bone with Hargreaves (can be considered done and dusted) out, Scholes ageing (He can't last forever), Giggs, Carrick (slump of form too often), Fletcher being Fletcher
We really need some alternatives at least to ease Scholes' burden in the midfield.
They could help the team for one. Sunderland have badly missed him.
He's adapt at the Wing position, and we seem to have a slot available at left wing. Could try him there in a Ronaldo type of role.
Why are you cnuts so obsessed with the idea of swapping Welbeck?
He's not a form of fecking currency
He's not a form of fecking currency
And why the fcuk should we even think of a swap? Leave it to some garbage journos. He is ours and he will remain with us. End of.
Welbeck is a fine player but plenty of them have been let go in the past because fine doesn't always cut it at United. Question is whether he is ready to wait for his chance, maybe even three, four or five years before he becomes an important member of our first team. If yes, them we may well keep him and he will come good - don't think we will be able to afford a better striker than him in a while to be fair. I am pretty sure that one of Macheda and Welbeck will leave this Summer or the next one at latest because there will clearly be no space for both of them, think Macheda would be a better bet at the moment though.
That is a bold claim to make given that he's had one half decent season in a half decent side and is to be honest completely without basis. I've watched him a lot for Sunderland this year - decent player, developing well but not even the best player in their side.
As things stand he won't get in the side before Rooney, Berbatov and Hernandez - especially if United sign a top attacking midfield player in the summer as well, and he's even less unlikely to develop into a "top 20 player in the world" playing 15 games a season (if he's lucky).
you have no clue
I just find it strange that people aren't that excited about Welbeck considering the sort of ability he's shown so far. Of course it's not nailed on that he'll make it but so far he's been a star in both the academy and reserve teams and now seems to have cemented his place as one of Sunderlands best players. I think he actually deserves a bit more hype when you consider what other, lesser talented players are getting.
It might just be me getting giddy over a home-grown prospect but I genuinely see something in Welbeck which makes me think he could be a starter for us in the future.
It might just be me getting giddy over a home-grown prospect but I genuinely see something in Welbeck which makes me think he could be a starter for us in the future.
Steve Bruce and Niall Quinn disagree with you on the first part.
His big challenge is going to be holding down any kind of regular place at a club with some of the most talented attacking players in the world, but Giggs will be playing less and less, Owen is yet to be offered a new contract, and Park and Berbatov aren't getting younger. It's not as if there isn't space for him to try and step into, and Ferguson has always given players every chance to do that.
Biggest chance of Welbeck being on the move is if he decides for himself that it's what he wants to do, in which case he's hardly going to be part of a swap deal.
This.
No I havent seen him play for Sunderland, I'm basing my opinions on watching him live at OT
I'd love to be proven wrong, and getting called up to the England squad means that people with far more knowledge than I rate him highly enough.
I think after what happened with Rossi, some united fans are just a bit hesitant to build up a young striker.
Well the key difference is that Welbeck is proving he can score goals in England. Its funny how it works isnt it?
If he were Sunderland's player outright and we were being linked with £15 million moves for him, I bet the majority of this forum would be well behind it with lots of
faces posted. I mean he's done more than Henderson or Rodwell so far and look at those threads.
If he were Sunderland's player outright and we were being linked with £15 million moves for him, I bet the majority of this forum would be well behind it with lots of
faces posted. I mean he's done more than Henderson or Rodwell so far and look at those threads.Well the key difference is that Welbeck is proving he can score goals in England. Its funny how it works isnt it?
If he were Sunderland's player outright and we were being linked with £15 million moves for him, I bet the majority of this forum would be well behind it with lots of
Rossi wasn't given a chance to do this TBF.He was loaned out to Parma(Ithink) and he scored there but clearly didn't figure in SAFs long term plans
his loan at Newcastle didn't work out and he didn't see himself getting that many chances with Rooney, Saha, Smith, Ole and Tevez coming in. If he was a bit more patient things could have worked out differently
I watched him on his loan to Newcastle before that, and I dont blame him for it not working out. Not at all. When he did play he did so as a lone striker. Newcastle wanted to flood the midfield. It just wasnt right for a small technical striker like him when he had no first team experience.
I also watched him at Parma and he did everything Tevez did at West Ham in the final stretch of the season to keep them in the top division. His goals saved them from the drop.
But thats Italy. The league is different and it simply means more to a premier league manager that the player has proven he can score in the premier league, rather than Serie A. It shows he can do it, because for whatever reason, not all quality strikers in serie A have managed to transfer over to the premier league
In which case, have we seen the last of Macheda?
I felt the only way he'd be coming back would be if he didnt do very well out there. But even that would mean his prospects here arent looking good.
If he had been really good in Italy he'd have been bumped up the international pecking order and would have been told to be playing each week. For me thats why Rossi wanted to move on, to help his national team career.
I have no clue about what?
Being from teh North East I know a lot of Sunderlnad fans, and also watch a lot of their games. Consequently I'm well aware of the fact that while's he's done well - he's not been the superstar that some people on here are making him out to be. I know lads who've watched him week in week out and say the same - good player, they'd love to have him but doubt very much that he'll be a regular at United. Hence why the fans are on at Bruce to take a punt and make United an offer in case they're beaten to the punch by another club.
Typical rose tinted United specs. People raving about this lad now will be shouting for himi to be sold if he comes back and isn't top notch. If he were on loan for Chelsea I very much doubt anyone on here would be suggesting he's likely to be a "top 20 player in the world" after one decent premier league season.
I've supported United for a liong time and seen loads of player dubbed future superstars. Most don't make it - either because of ability or circumstance. As far as Welbeck goes he looks a good player, but won't improve if he's not playing regularly and right now - I can't see that he would.
Exactly right - he's already suggested in a few interviews pumped out in our local media that he'd be up for staying with Sunderland. That may be even more attractive if he wants to progress internationally.
I'm not suggesting he'll be "swapped" anywhere, just that he may not stay at United. How that happens is down to the club and I reckon a few clubs would be interested.
As I've said I value the opinion of a fair few colleages who've watched him week in week out and they say the same, not the finished article, works hard and gets in good positions and they think a realistic target, especially in light of the position at United with Rooney signing a new deal possible along with Berbatov and the fact that Hernandez has been excellent.
Maybe he will develop into a fantastic player - who knows, but circumstances suggest that he might have to move elsewhere to have the chance.
a wall of text doesn't prove anything. and supporting United for a long time is also no determinant of your ability to understand potential.
you are entitled to your opinion, i am just think you must be clueless to have written this
Evans was in the same position. Evans was more adamant that he wanted to play regularly, while Welbeck have said wait and see regarding the matter. He'll stay. He would want to at least try to fight out for a place. And he will get those chance.
That's an interesting question. He seems to be doing well for Italy u21s but he's hardly setting Serie A alight. If King overtakes him in the pecking order next season, I wouldn't be all that surprised if we choose to cash in on him. He's got the potential to be a star, but seems to have stagnated.
i think we can wait till he is at least 21 to make a call.
things can change a bit by then
A wall of text which you conveniently ignore, as with the previous post.
I'm clueless to think that he won't play regularly before Berbatov, Rooney and Hernandez?
Ok. Whatever you like.
I maintain that if Welbeck wasn't a United player on loan at another club the opinions on here would be different - akin to the critisism levelled at the likes of Jordan Henderson who apprently still has it all to prove while playing at the same club.
For the avoidance of doubt, nothing would please me more than to see a young lad from the club make it as a first team regular and England star, but I'm pragmatic. Football is as much about being in the right place at the right time as what ability you have and as a young player, if you're not a first team regular your stock can drop quickly - Johnny Evans being the case in point.
34 appearances at CB age 21 years of age at one of the best club in the world.
28 appearances the next season.
And so far this season 16.
Had lots of injuries last 2 seasons tho.
28 appearances the next season.
And so far this season 16.
Had lots of injuries last 2 seasons tho.
He should be promoted
People seem to be totally forgetting his youth team career, he's not just had one half good season in the Premiership.
The lad has been touted since the age of 15 as a star, he got into the United first team squad as soon as he turned 17 with Ferguson saying he is one of the best talents of recent years. Just ask Peterstorey who seems to agree with my other Arsenal mates, when they saw him in youth team football he was just class.
Growing pains hampered his career from about the age of 17 until this season, he couldn't play more than a game a week, often only playing 60 minutes and this slowed his development. Luckily he now seems to be over that and is showing the potential he did as a youngster, he is just such a natural footballer, such brilliant technique. He's special and we're lucky to have him.
Fair enough. You're entitled to your opinion.