Rodwell for Welbeck?

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Manchester United are to step up their interest in Jack Rodwell with a summer move for the Everton midfielder.
But Everton manager David Moyes will consider letting his young star leave only if United offer Danny Welbeck in a player-plus-cash deal.
The England Under-21 striker is on loan at Sunderland, whose manager, Steve Bruce, would love to sign him on a permanent basis.
But Sir Alex Ferguson has insisted Welbeck will return to Old Trafford after his loan spell.
Now the United boss could find his own resolve to hang on to the player tested by his determination to sign Rodwell.

Would you? I wouldn't personally
 
Everton need a striker, we need a midfielder. It makes sense, but I want us to keep Welbeck and at the moment he's proved more than Rodwell. If Moyes wants a cash/player deal, we should be getting the cash if anything.
 
I wouldn't as-well, Danny is potentially an excellent player. Rodwell despite being talented is extremely injury prone and I get the feel that he is a little bit over-rated on these forums, although I haven't seen him regularly at all.
 
AttackingFlair said:
Everton need a striker, we need a midfielder. It makes sense, but I want us to keep Welbeck and at the moment he's proved more than Rodwell. If Moyes wants a cash/player deal, we should be getting the cash if anything.
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:confused: How did you come to this conclusion? Rodwell is slightly younger than Welbeck and has already amassed over 80 Premiership appearances, Welbeck has under 50. Don't see how Welbeck has proved more than Rodwell.

This is a tough one, I have been impressed with Welbeck since he moved to Sunderland. I am not sure though he will be anything more than a squad player that will play sporadically if he remains at us next season, and it will be extremely difficult for him to become a first team regular in the years to come. Personally I think that we need Rodwell a lot more than we need Welbeck. Both are young, raw talents and have the potential to become very good players. Could come back to bite us in the ass if we let Welbeck go but then again maybe not.
 
I would like Rodwell added to the squad, but I also want Welbeck to be a part of the squad next season.

Problem for Welbeck is that he would likely be 4th choice striker and possibly 3rd or 4th choice winger (if not worse) when we play 451. It could be that he will not be happy with that role next season and may be looking to head on.
 
No thanks. I find it a bit insulting that Rodwell is being considered as a Welbeck "plus cash" deal, which is presumably only the case because we're Man Utd. If it were too comparably sized clubs, all the talk would be about a straight swap.
 
Robbie Boy said:
:confused: How did you come to this conclusion? Rodwell is slightly younger than Welbeck and has already amassed over 80 Premiership appearances, Welbeck has under 50. Don't see how Welbeck has proved more than Rodwell.

This is a tough one, I have been impressed with Welbeck since he moved to Sunderland. I am not sure though he will be anything more than a squad player that will play sporadically if he remains at us next season, and it will be extremely difficult for him to become a first team regular in the years to come. Personally I think that we need Rodwell a lot more than we need Welbeck. Both are young, raw talents and have the potential to become very good players. Could come back to bite us in the ass if we let Welbeck go but then again maybe not.
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I just think he's proved more with his time at Sunderland and I suppose he's also proved his fitness. I'm not judging their ability.
 
I seriously doubt this is true. Strikers are much harder to find than midfielders.
 
AttackingFlair said:
I just think he's proved more with his time at Sunderland and I suppose he's also proved his fitness. I'm not judging their ability.
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He was on quite a role for Sunderland, pity about the timing of his injury. Yeah I have been impressed with him indeed, Rodwell though has also proved quite-a-bit, I mean playing the amount of games he has at such a young age for Everton is an achievement that can' be overlooked either, especially given the competition that he faces for a place.
 
There is no way I would do a swap with Welbeck for either Rodwell or Henderson, in the end I feel Welbeck has just as much potential as those players, and actually has produced more than them at this point in their careers.
 
Robbie Boy said:
He was on quite a role for Sunderland, pity about the timing of his injury. Yeah I have been impressed with him indeed, Rodwell though has also proved quite-a-bit, I mean playing the amount of games he has at such a young age for Everton is an achievement that can' be overlooked either, especially given the competition that he faces for a place.
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Tbf though it is Everton and they've had huge injury problems in that area over the last couple of years.
 
Robbie Boy said:
He was on quite a role for Sunderland, pity about the timing of his injury. Yeah I have been impressed with him indeed, Rodwell though has also proved quite-a-bit, I mean playing the amount of games he has at such a young age for Everton is an achievement that can' be overlooked either, especially given the competition that he faces for a place.
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Everton aren't exactly blessed with an abundance of options in midfield, in fairness. How else does a limited player like Osman get so many games?

If you want to talk about competition for places, look no further than Welbeck joining a club on loan - aged just 19 - and forcing himself into their best XI competing against players as expensive and highly rated as Bent and Gyan.

I like Rodwell but there's no doubt he will have had an easier time getting games for Everton over the last few years than Welbeck had in his first 6 months at Sunderland.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Everton aren't exactly blessed with an abundance of options in midfield, in fairness. How else does a limited player like Osman get so many games?

If you want to talk about competition for places, look no further than Welbeck joining a club on loan - aged just 19 - and forcing himself into their best XI competing against players as expensive and highly rated as Bent and Gyan.

I like Rodwell but there's no doubt he will have had an easier time getting games for Everton over the last few years than Welbeck had in his first 6 months at Sunderland.
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Osman is exponentially better than Darron Gibson in fairness
 
They'll be getting Owen, Obertan, or Diouf type of players. We've already been nice and given them Saha, Neville and Howard on the cheap. Time to repay the favour, Moyesy!
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Everton aren't exactly blessed with an abundance of options in midfield, in fairness. How else does a limited player like Osman get so many games?

If you want to talk about competition for places, look no further than Welbeck joining a club on loan - aged just 19 - and forcing himself into their best XI competing against players as expensive and highly rated as Bent and Gyan.

I like Rodwell but there's no doubt he will have had an easier time getting games for Everton over the last few years than Welbeck had in his first 6 months at Sunderland.
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To be fair he took Frazer Campbell's place in the side, due to Campbell being injured. Now that Bent has left and not been replaced means that there is yet another slot available. Anyway as I have said he has impressed me, I was merely pointing out that it would he hard to say that Welbeck has achieved/proved more than Rodwell at this point in both their careers.

Well I mean Everton had at one point, Cahill, Arteta, Fellaini and Heitinga competiting for a place in centre midfield. I know that centre midfield isn't Heitinga's natural position but Rodwell has often kept him out of the side, not bad for a young lad.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
And that's got what, exactly, to do with Welbeck or Rodwell?
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Actually it does, you seem to think that competition is going to be the same from one team to the next for a player, and well the fact that Darron Gibson gets games for United proves that even one of the best teams in the world has some utter dross in their squad.
 
Alex said:
Actually it does, you seem to think that competition is going to be the same from one team to the next for a player, and well the fact that Darron Gibson gets games for United proves that even one of the best teams in the world has some utter dross in their squad.
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Er... No. In fact the point I was making was the complete opposite of that.

Which made your random pop at Gibson seem all the more retarded.
 
Player plus cash?

If anything we would demand Rodwell + cash for Welbeck, who in my opinion has proved so far to be the much bigger prospect.

Both will probably end up as quality players but I don't see us swapping one of our brightest prospects just to get another highly rated player. Plus he's a Manc so I can see Fergie doing all he can to keep him at the club.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Everton aren't exactly blessed with an abundance of options in midfield, in fairness. How else does a limited player like Osman get so many games?

If you want to talk about competition for places, look no further than Welbeck joining a club on loan - aged just 19 - and forcing himself into their best XI competing against players as expensive and highly rated as Bent and Gyan.

I like Rodwell but there's no doubt he will have had an easier time getting games for Everton over the last few years than Welbeck had in his first 6 months at Sunderland.
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Rodwell turned 20 a week ago, so basically what you are claiming is that over the last few years, lets say going back to 2007 when Rodwell first broke into the team and was 16 years old had an easier time getting a game for Everton then, than a 20 year old Welbeck does for Sunderland this year. Sorry, I am just buying that.
 
In my opinion, I dont think either Welbeck or Macheda will make it with us but can both be very good players for other clubs in their own right.
Different players adapt in different stages of course but Welbeck had had some great games for Sunderland but he's not been consistent to the extent Cleverly has for Wigan or even Richardson was for West Brom.
Offer Inter cash plus Macheda for young Wesley?
 
Scoreboard Red said:
In my opinion, I dont think either Welbeck or Macheda will make it with us but can both be very good players for other clubs in their own right.
Different players adapt in different stages of course but Welbeck had had some great games for Sunderland but he's not been consistent to the extent Cleverly has for Wigan or even Richardson was for West Brom.
Offer Inter cash plus Macheda for young Wesley?
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I doubt our Kiko is that highly rated to where Inter would bite.
 
Robbie Boy said:
:confused: How did you come to this conclusion? Rodwell is slightly younger than Welbeck and has already amassed over 80 Premiership appearances, Welbeck has under 50. Don't see how Welbeck has proved more than Rodwell.

This is a tough one, I have been impressed with Welbeck since he moved to Sunderland. I am not sure though he will be anything more than a squad player that will play sporadically if he remains at us next season, and it will be extremely difficult for him to become a first team regular in the years to come. Personally I think that we need Rodwell a lot more than we need Welbeck. Both are young, raw talents and have the potential to become very good players. Could come back to bite us in the ass if we let Welbeck go but then again maybe not.
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Hits the nail on the head. Its been said on other threads before but he's going to have a real job getting in the first team at United, a factor he seems to accept given recent suggestions that he could remain with Sunderland, on loan or permenantly.

Fergie seems determined to keep him, but then again he would say that - if he goes he'll want to get the best price he can.

Losing a young player is always dissapointing and it is a risk if the player develops and becomes a top player - the point is though that its less likely if he's not playing every week.

Rodwell looks decent - not the finished article but could be a very good player.

What is clear though is that we need a couple of midfield players. Whether Fergie is willing to sacrifice a forward is I suppose a matter for him.
 
I think there is a real underrating of Welbeck by the media and he wont be sold or used as a makeweight by Fergie, in fact I think the only way he wont be part of our main squad next season is if he is left on loan at Sunderland.
 
I'm not even sure Rodwell is the better player or has more promise. So frankly I'd laugh this one off
 
Scoreboard Red said:
In my opinion, I dont think either Welbeck or Macheda will make it with us but can both be very good players for other clubs in their own right.
Different players adapt in different stages of course but Welbeck had had some great games for Sunderland but he's not been consistent to the extent Cleverly has for Wigan or even Richardson was for West Brom.
Offer Inter cash plus Macheda for young Wesley?
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Wesley Brown eh ???

bite me :devil:
 
RedRover said:
United's current situation would suggest otherwise.
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Nah, our current situation is down to finding a way to get the best out of two world class yet aging players, Anderson/Gibson failing to progress as hoped, Fletcher having the season from hell, Carrick struggling to reclaim his form from a couple of seasons back, Hargreaves being permanently crocked etc. etc. etc.

It's got very little to do with how easy or hard it is to sign a decent central midfielder.
 
I'd rather keep Welbeck. Rodwell has hardly been impressive himself this season even compared to our struggling midfield.
 
Name Changed said:
I'd rather keep Welbeck. Rodwell has hardly been impressive himself this season even compared to our struggling midfield.
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Roy Keane didn't have as good a season in 1992/93 as he had in 1990/91 & 1991/92, but his qualities were evident enough to prompt United & Blackburn to offer £4mil for him that summer.
Not saying he'll be a Roy Keane but his qualities are clear...
 
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