Agreed.
Every time someone craps on about how they have no history it makes me cringe.
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Agreed.
Every time someone craps on about how they have no history it makes me cringe.
Source? You can't have gotten that from the article above, surely?
It does look a bit like none of us are willing to pay what Arsenal want and won't budge on the fee, presumably because us and City know that he'd be a total luxury as opposed to something we really require, especially at his age.
Crazy. How often does one the world's best strikers come on the market. He's got to be worth £20M+.
Posters on here were valuing him at £35M only a few weeks ago! How did he suddenly become worth less than half that?
Look at the price Ruud went for, that tells you enough.
I understand why no club wants to go over 20m for him.
I understand why no club wants to go over 20m for him.
Its the wages and the contract duration that'd put most teams off. Save money somewhere. either on wages or on the transfer fee.
5 year deal @ 10m+ a year for a 29 year old is crazy money. It can be justified if its a sure bet. Van Persie isnt.
We got dicked big time with Hargreaves. Why would we go down that road again.. especially at the the prices being mentioned.
5 year deal @ 10m+ a year for a 29 year old is crazy money. It can be justified if its a sure bet. Van Persie isnt.
We got dicked big time with Hargreaves. Why would we go down that road again.. especially at the the prices being mentioned.
The world's best striker?!
Is he feck!
He said 'one of', numpty.
not to be pantsy, but he actually said (wrote) "one the world's best strikers". point still stands, RVP has to be considered one of the best strikers in the EPL, if not the world.
The word history on Caf when it comes to teams generally means "history of winning trophies". That's why nobody here for example never accuse Liverpool of not having a "history". And surely nobody can claim City have been racking up cup wins and league titles the last 50 years hence it's claimed they have no "history"
Because we dont need him obviously.
Value is subjective. To us, he isn't worth £20million.
A striker almost guaranteeing you 20 goals isn't worth £20 million ?
Is he a necessity ? No -will he make us a lot better ? Naturally
He's worth whatever Alex Ferguson feels he's worth.
Van Persie's definitely up there among the best strikers in the world without a doubt and £35m wouldn't be an excessive amount to pay for him.
I can see where others are coming from when they say that he's not worth that to us though. Yes, he scores plenty of goals but we just don't need him as much as we need players in other areas at the moment.
I can see where others are coming from when they say that he's not worth that to us though. Yes, he scores plenty of goals but we just don't need him as much as we need players in other areas at the moment.
He's only scored 20+ goals once in his career, hasn't he? It's hardly a steadfast guarantee.
35 mill is excessive for a striker who has less than 12 months to run on his contract and is nearly 30.
Just saying ........
Just saying ........
Rooney guarantees us 20 goals. So we don't need him.
Not hard. Buying Van Persie is unnecessary, as we already have good enough players up front.
Its just a waiting game this one.
No way in hell will arsenal keep him this year, he wont want to stay, hes been frozen out of there pre season tour, he will feel alienated and the crowd will boo him.
Arsenal wont risk losing him on a free no matter what happens; the clubs will just hang on until the end of the window, they will panic and sell him for about £15m.
I would be amazed if he is there til after the window.
No way in hell will arsenal keep him this year, he wont want to stay, hes been frozen out of there pre season tour, he will feel alienated and the crowd will boo him.
Arsenal wont risk losing him on a free no matter what happens; the clubs will just hang on until the end of the window, they will panic and sell him for about £15m.
I would be amazed if he is there til after the window.
Plus look at his injury record.
He's a player who if fit will score 20+ goals in a season guaranteed.. but he's only managed one full season in England.
His qualities as a footballer - His age, injury record and contract situation = £15-20 million player, IMO
In all competitions? Three times I think. He scored something like 22 goals in the season before last.
Great player but you would be insane to pay over about 15 mill
The word history on Caf when it comes to teams generally means "history of winning trophies". That's why nobody here for example never accuse Liverpool of not having a "history". And surely nobody can claim City have been racking up cup wins and league titles the last 50 years hence it's claimed they have no "history"
It's not that City have no history, it's that they're a relatively small club posing as Real Madrid. This is especially irritating because their fans have always had this ridiculous exceptionalism, and they now feel vindicated by an accident. A couple of eras of success and and a moderately-sized fanbase describes maybe two dozen clubs in English football. Manchester City were on a par with Wolves, Derby, Forest, Blackburn, Preston, Burnley and so on until they won the lottery twice in the 2000s. The accurate way of putting the 'no history' charge is that the current City have no 'history' because there's essentially no direct connection between the proud and storied history of Manchester City Football Club and the current institution, which is entirely the creation of a few very rich men.
History is all about narrative, and City are the footballing equivalent of reading the first 343 chapters of War and Peace and then finding the rest of the book has been replaced by Katie Price's autobiography. Their owners essentially have a millenarian character, rendering everything that came before meaningless, and subsequently any footballer willing to play for them can be seen to be betraying the whole idea of history in football.
Put bluntly, ADUG are the Khmer Rouge of football, sort of.
This. There's no way Arsene lets him walk on a free. So Arsenal either make 15 million, or they make 0 million.
They're holding out because they will obviously try and get 25, but come the last week they'll be phoning us and City asking if we still want him at 15.
RVP & Rooney upfront, supported by Kagawa, Nani, Valencia and Scholes
RVP & Rooney upfront, supported by Kagawa, Nani, Valencia and Scholes
In what formation?
I dunno
Looks like a 4-4-2 to me with three wingers which made me wonder.
In what formation?
RVP-Rooney
Nani-Kagawa-Valencia
Scholes
Evra-Vidic-Rio-Rafael
DDG
Obviously
RVP-Rooney
Nani-Kagawa-Valencia
Scholes
Evra-Vidic-Rio-Rafael
DDG
Obviously
Like something from FIFA. One centre mid who lacks mobility? Disaster waiting to happen.
Nope we'll keep him for another year if we don't get a proper bid.
C'mon guys you got the gist of it.
RVP-Rooney
Nani-Kagawa-Valencia
Scholes
Evra-Vidic-Rio-Rafael
DDG
Obviously
Funnily enough, I was thinking about this sort of thing the other day only with Carrick in there instead of Scholes. The thinking was that Rooney and Kagawa would drop deep enough to help out with Carrick, not quite providing a midfield 3, but enabling Carrick options so as to help us control games.
My brain is telling me this probably still isn't the best idea, but it's annoying me not being able to work out to fit in all those players in a single formation. We should at least try this once though against one of the weaker teams in the league, in my opinion. It'd require perhaps Nani and Valencia coming inside more often to help defend, but with Rafael and Evra there's a lot of width there anyway.
I dunno...I'm just dying to see all those players in a single line up, I think...
on a free next year you say? sounds good
If you do that, you're fools. I can't see them doing it, because it would be sheer stupidity.
What's the point in passing up on £15,000,000 and getting £0 instead.
LIKE!
And to stay on topic, RVP would be a hit here. If not with fans, then with the medical staff for sure!
With no Owen, our medical staff are prancing round with a rendition of 'I'm so ronery.'
I think the problem is not just missing out on 15m. It's missing out AND having a player who is not interested in staying there. That leads to lack of motivation. And can he be a captain? I think Arsenal need to accept the money now. Unless he somehow inspires them to a trophy. In that case missing out on a transfer fee would probably be justified.
It would be stupid, but you have to remember this is Wenger we're talking about here. His stubborn nature means he's the sort of person that I could actually imagine doing something like this.
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