Real, Barca etc. That's the thing with a food chain. Someone is at the top of it.
Robin van Persie
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Real, Barca etc. That's the thing with a food chain. Someone is at the top of it.
I dont know, the same was said about Ronaldo when he left, especially with Tevez thrown into the equation as well. If Rooney hadnt been there, Berbs would probably have kept on banging them in as he was while Rooney was out a few years back.
But you cant wrestle the conversation away from that one game, which goes to the heart of your club's lack of gumption and balls. We would have beaten Birmingham without Rooney. Surely that is not a contentious statement, even if you can never really know what would have happened in different circumstances. We would have, and you couldnt.
Anyway, to get back to United, your point does reinforce why I am not that enthusiastic about this. "Missing when it mattered." Why would this change? What's the point?
Dont think so Peter, Wenger let all the experience go too close together, replaced it with kids who weren't ready and not capable of winning anything. A couple of years of not winning anything and the better players then fecked off to richer clubs.
Players like Eboue, Pires, Silva, etc all left for a pittance, while they were no longer world beaters they had experience. Contrast it with Utd who kept players like Owen, Neville on their books for no other reason than the experience they offered the dressing room.
Um, he has been injured quite a bit too. In fact since Ronaldos departure, the 2 seasons we didn't win the PL were the 2 he played most and scored most. We're way less reliant on him than you have been on Fabregas and now RVP.
Great. So everyone in the league other than City and Chelsea can sleep well tonight, knowing that were it not for mean old bigger clubs, they would probably be nuts-deep in trophies.
You could afford to keep a big squad. We needed to sell players like Vieira and Henry to start building again.
Yeah, but those someone don't deserve to be there and that's why we feel hard done by.
We have lost players to Madrid, Barca, Milan in past, but losing players to Manchester fecking City is annoying annoying feeling to suffer.
What next? Stoke getting taken over & we lose Wilshere to them?
Don't know about other clubs, but yeah Arsenal would have been nuts, nipples, moustache deep.
Whatever gets you through the day.
Now leave me be, I plan to spend the next few hours daydreaming about all the trophies we would have won if we had not sold Ronaldo, and if we had managed to reverse the ageing process for Roy Keane.
this whole discussion is because someone claimed that Robin is leaving to win something.
I am just merely stating that it's his own fault that he has not won anything by now.
I am just merely stating that it's his own fault that he has not won anything by now.
Wasn't just eduardo, also van Persie, Rosicky, Flamini, Sagna. We lost a lot of players after the window closed and didn't really have the squad to cover for it.
Our title tilt that season was built on the midfield 4 of Hleb, Fab, Flamini, Rosicky, when that was disrupted the goals stopped going in. 4 draws in a row around March-April did us, could have done with RvP on the field then but i wouldn't say he's to 'blame' for us not winning.
Should have won it that season imo.
Well, that and Arsenal's of course.
We've dealt with far worse injuries than you lot have and still won plenty.
Oh right, a second ago I could have sworn you were blaming richer clubs.
Well done
no you haven't.
Plus as already mentioned, we don't have the luxury to have a big squad owing to our debts.
Yeah lucky United, no debts at all. LULG.
yet stump out 32 for Berbatov, and 15plus for umproven youngsters...yeah hands tied indeed.
Aye. Yet our net spend is less than the likes of Stoke, Villa etc. in the last 4-5 years. For a club that REGULARLY WINS TROPHIES that's less.
Stoke came up from the championship and Villa are now skint....
yes, in that he should have left 2 years ago
Anyway back to the topic of RVPs transfer/possible staying put.
So Fergie has admitted a bid. I feel he will end up a United. Fergie doesn't usually drop names unless he is in a strong position or till after the transfer saga is over and he has lost out.
One thing is for sure RVP is a world class talent and after Messi/Ronaldo he has to be up their with the best "strikers" in the world. Arguably in the top 2-3 if you dont count Ronaldo/Messi.
Also clearly Fergie isnt worried about CM to the same extend as the rest of us.
Also if City did get RVP would it not totally unbalance the squad. Im sure the likes of Welbeck,Hernandez wont enjoy sitting on the bench behind RVP/Rooney but I can see them taken on the challenge better that the likes of Balotelli/Tevez who would arguably be behind RVP/Augeuro.
So Fergie has admitted a bid. I feel he will end up a United. Fergie doesn't usually drop names unless he is in a strong position or till after the transfer saga is over and he has lost out.
One thing is for sure RVP is a world class talent and after Messi/Ronaldo he has to be up their with the best "strikers" in the world. Arguably in the top 2-3 if you dont count Ronaldo/Messi.
Also clearly Fergie isnt worried about CM to the same extend as the rest of us.
Also if City did get RVP would it not totally unbalance the squad. Im sure the likes of Welbeck,Hernandez wont enjoy sitting on the bench behind RVP/Rooney but I can see them taken on the challenge better that the likes of Balotelli/Tevez who would arguably be behind RVP/Augeuro.
Both of those can play in the 3 behind the striker, so will still get games. Plus I think Tevez will be sold, can't see Mancini putting up with another season of his bollocks.
First choice in big games would be
Balotelli--Aguero--Silva
------- Van Persie
With Nasri and Dzeko on the bench, though looks like he could be sold as well. If RVP is rested then either Aguero or Balotelli can go up top and Nasri drop into attacking midfield. So don't think it would be a problem for them.
First choice in big games would be
Balotelli--Aguero--Silva
------- Van Persie
With Nasri and Dzeko on the bench, though looks like he could be sold as well. If RVP is rested then either Aguero or Balotelli can go up top and Nasri drop into attacking midfield. So don't think it would be a problem for them.
Van Persie is a quality striker but there's no way in hell he's up there in the top two or three (not including Ronessi).
When did Van Persie supposedly become so awesome?
When did Van Persie supposedly become so awesome?
Sigh... We sold experienced players who would have been useful for the squad, we also had starters taken from us.
So does every club. It part of football unless you're a sugar daddy club or a tv deal cartel club like Barca/real.
United lost Ronaldo and we still have yet to spend all the money we generated since 2009 on sales!
One thing that this thread has shown is that Arsenal fans like to moan.
That's one player. We lost six starters - Flamini, Hleb, Clichy, Adebayor, Nasri and Fabregas.
Ronaldo, Tevez, Beckham, Ruud, Saha, Hargreaves, Rossi, Pique.
All teams lose players who'd otherwise be in their starting XI. You've just got to deal with it.
Fair enough. While we dont know how much of that money Wenger has to spend I cant help but feel that he should have had replacements lined up early on. The messing around did cost them a fair few points at the start of last season. At least this summer he has got something set up if RVP does go. If he had have got the likes of Arteta in for preseason last season it would have helped.
He obviously thought he could get another year out of Fabregas.
Sack Wenger sell Van Persie.
We've got our fair share of muppets.
Pete, are you suggesting that Arsenal has some kind of god-given right to keep hold of world class football players despite clearly not having the capability to win trophies whilst they are at the club? Your players leave because Arsenal are shit nowadays and Wenger doesn't have it in him to win another title. It's not lack of funding that lets you down, it's Arsene Wenger's attitude; he's a systematic bottler who'll never get the sack on account of him being so commercially attractive from the owner's POV. Wenger knows his place; it's about time you yourself learnt Arsenal's place in the Premier League - nobody gives a feck about you.
Pique and Rossi to an extent.
I still don't really get it though. The leaving to win titles thing. Personally I'd rather be part of making a good side great than just being transported into a great side that's already winning trophies and winning stuff with them.
Then again, that might be one of the reasons I'm not a top-level professional footballer...
I still think it's generally about money though, not trophies. How often does a player turn down more money?
Then again, that might be one of the reasons I'm not a top-level professional footballer...
I still think it's generally about money though, not trophies. How often does a player turn down more money?
Arsene Wenger is a football club owner's wet dream IMO. He regularly spends feck all, brings in large transfer fees yet always keeps Arsenal on the gravy train that is the Champions League.
It may not be ideal for the fans but as far as owners go, he's pretty much perfect.
Time's running out for him though Plech. Can you really see Arsenal winning the league or Champions League in the next 2 or 3 years?
Their only chance would be fluking it like Chelsea did but you can't blame him for not wanting to take that gamble.
"You see this small statue, Arsene? Is pig, about to feck goat. But this
is irrelevant to my point. My point is, no qualify Champions League, you die."
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